New HEAVY song (Warning: Contains strong language, mild violence, and brief nudity)

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WOW!! What a trip.. I had the main verse solidified in my head, and then I listened to this and completely forgot what I was going to do.. Fuckin A!! I like it.. Did you redo the solo too? Farkin smoking! :D Now that I think of it I don't hear the crackling anymore either..


cool bass break interactions with the vocal.. something like that I wouldn't have dared on a collaboration.. you got pretty ill with this.. there's a lot of vocals too.. It's definitely cool hearing you clean the cobwebs out.. I'm glad you did this instead.. My shit was much more 'Exorcist' orientated and would never have come out right..

I'd like to hear the vocals better but not at the expense of losing the guitars.. I don't know.. These mixing problems are beyond my thoughts, but it sounds great as it is.. I can be of no help in this dept..

I can honestly say this is another collabortaion I'm glad I didn't take part in because it came out better without me..


let me digest the mix for a day or two..


obligatory 5
 
I heard that The Matrix sucked ... haven't seen it though. I'm waiting for the sequel :)

Man, this song really rocks! Your vocals are sooooo good on this -- but ...

Mix wise, listening in lo-fi on crappy speakers, I found it hard to make out some of the vocals, especially compared to some of your recent past mixes where everything sounded so crystal clear :(


or maybe it is just me ...

That is really my only complaint. The song kicks some serious ass! :D
 
The opening guitar could use some presence. Just a bit.

Don't like that kick sound. Too metallic. It's punchy, but not at a low enough freq. It should be hitting me in the chest more. It's also getting lost in the density that is your midrange.;) Snare has the same issue, though to a lesser extent.

The guitar tones are good, but seem to have some high-end hash on 'em.

Vocal needs to come up during the loud passages, or leave 'em where their at and lower the rest of the mix. I would probably do the latter for dynamic impact. You can always squeeze it in mastering.:p

This is a kick-ass tune, and your performance is top-shelf as usual.:)
 
dark..dark.. stuff.

sounds like the loudest mix ive ever heard from you. i dont know if you just pumped up the levels with a booster of what.

i think mix is right about trying to split the vox and guitar somehow... I think there in the same freq range. or take ~5 db off the rythm gits
solo was pretty cool.. me like it...

very stevie vai... nice work!
 
For a change, I've decided to take the "me" out of critiqueing for a bit...I'm letting my wife critique this one totally: These are exact quotes from somebody who knows nothing about music:


"music is louder than the vocal."

"couldn't understand the chorus AT ALL"

"I don't like the genre"

"please turn it down"

"could you turn Star Trek back up?"
_____________________________

Take it or leave it...she hates all of my stuff too.
 
JMarcomb said:
sounds like the loudest mix ive ever heard from you. i dont know if you just pumped up the levels with a booster of what.
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BINGO!!!!!!!!!!

That's it, Jeff. For the first time since I started recording I ran a mix through post mix processing. I thought for sure it would be figured out right away.

I'll post the "un mastered" mix tomorrow sometime. My wave file looked like a nail. I must have severed like 10dB's of peaks. Sounds like shit.

Alright I just got home from a friend's house and I'm a little intoxicated so before I start rambling nonsense...good night. Cya tomorrow. Thanks guys.
 
Great performances as usual. You're a monster, I don't know where you find the time. The verse lick is real creepy:)

There was too much empty space in the mix for me. I'm trying to restrain from saying the guitars should be louder since I tend to get told I mix guitars too loud, but it's kind of what I'm hearing. Actually my thoughts were that everything else was too loud, like there's a difference, that's how it hit me anyhow.

It may be a personnel taste thing, I don't know what you were going for mixing this.
 
Intro guitar is really cool. Actually all those guitars are sweet as hell. Not overly crazy about the verse vox, but the chorus is awesome. Kick drum sounds to me a little "hey-I'm-a-metal-kick-drum" to me but the double bass parts rock. WOW awesome solo. Love that fucker. Great tune.
 
Just read all the posts (trying desparately to skip over potential reloaded spoilers) looks like everyones thoughts are opposite to mine. Heh, well, er...

I think maybe the guitars may be too far back in the mix, or could use some bottom end. I just found that everything else had twice the presence. All the punch in the tune came from the other instruments.

Probably just too much rocker in me.

I agree with comment concerning the lead mixed in backwards, or however it was put, I got a bit of that too.
 
Argh.
Anger... anger anger anger...
I knew you had it dude.
THIS is what I wanted out of you.
Your other stuff is great. This one, IMO, is exceptional.
The locals are all checking it out and are wanting to know where the hell you came from. I'm not telling them your not local yet. Yet.
Dude, you get me 5 or 6 more like that, mix them up on a CD with your other more dark sounding stuff and I will pass it along to someone of great clout that wil be very interested.
I knew you had it dude. This is in the top 5 songs I;ve heard all year, including major releases. I like it, I think you have that angry edge that seems authentic and not "made up" and you have profit potential.
I'm not so worried about listening to the mixes, and having you tweak them here and there and everywhere. Write more, get more songs done. Good shit.
If you are willing to send me a CD of that one, I want to get it played on the 2 local music Unsigned-Prime-Time shows (big Clearchannel Inc channel, too) next sunday night. I guarantee you can move that one into the top 3 and maybe get it number one for a few weeks.
Get that one to me.
Good shit. Made me hungrier, now I know you have it in you for sure.
Feed me.
 
Bleh.. bleherer.. and blehderest..


Brilliant


This one has achieved critical mass. I showed it to a handful of skeptics tonight. All jesuits now.

Pass the JD.
 
5-30-03 Mix 1 :

Intro. After it when the drums came in they sounded distorted. Was that intentional? This sounds very spacy. The drums sound good, but the double kick attacks make them sound midi drums. Also, the snare sounds a bit too distorted to me at places. This definitely needs a few more listens. I really like the heavy guitar tone and vocals. WOW. Angry stuff. At the start of the solo you had a very good burst of energy. Vocals and solo going at the same time there for a while. A nice touch.. or more like an evil touch :D

The song-writing is very you again. Good moods and heavy attacks. Another great song from you.

(and I didn't check the other comments so this may be repetitive to you :D )
 
You're a fucking genius man.... This is so good I'm peeing myself.

I come to think of Tool.. This is progressive metal at its' best.

The vocals are a little bit too loud for my taste.. other than that..



I WANT MORE
 
Thank you guys very very much for all the varied responses. But now I'm so confused I don't know what to do. I have as many people telling me the vocals are too low as there are telling me they're too loud. Same with the guitars. So I can only conclude that it's a lot of preference. But I haven't checked it on other systems yet for myself either. I suspect the guitars might have too much midrange because my cheap Fender cabinet is pretty midrangey. I also think the L1 might be slamming that midrange in your face, burying a lot of important details.

The one thing I'm sure of is I gotta change the kick sound. That will take me about 15 minutes. (Hope that doesn't piss the real drummers off too much because I totally respect your efforts.)

I knew the song would have limited appeal too. You really gotta like heavy stuff for this one I think.

Anyway, I just woke up so I'll work on getting the "unmastered" version up after breakfast.

You guys rock...thank you.
 
SLuiCe said:
I have as many people telling me the vocals are too low as there are telling me they're too loud. Same with the guitars. So I can only conclude that it's a lot of preference.
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In country/americana/pop the vocals are always much louder than the rest, in 'metalesque' music it's the opposite most of the times. It's the 'what's your reference point?' issue I tried to explain once in a Dobro thread.

I'm listening to this the first time on speakers (still first mix). Vocal volume sounds fine to me. Indeed, low cut could help. You probably already did that.

Übernitpick on the playing/programming (I've got feeling I'm as anally-retentive/perfectionist as you are ;) ):

The ride/bell (I have always trouble remembering what's it called, for me it's just a F on my midikeyboard...:eek:...how's that for an insult for drummers? LOL :D ) pattern seems a little rigid in the choruses. Maybe it's the sound, maybe it's snapped too tight to the grid, I don't know...playing it real time would solve the problem I guess. But you don't program that way, do you?
 
Ya Ped, that ride bell (F# 5 :) ) is another thing I'm gonna change today. I wanted to before but it's integrated with my hit hat audio for effeciency. Dumb move. I should have not been so lazy and fixed the drums before I posted this. The kick sounded very cool before the vocals went on, but now the "click" just adds to the midrange clutter. Gonna go back to my standard kick.

I agree on the vocals. I was just telling my girlfriend that with something like country you usually raise the vocal way up so you can hear them repeat the chorus 95 times and never forget it. With metal, it's more of a blending thing. At least with me. I want the vocal to sit like an instrument.

I'm gonna fool around with it today. Maybe you and a few others will give the new, unmastered mix a listen when I'm done?

Thanks for the attention to detail!

"Men who wish to know the world must learn its particular details." -Heraclitus
 
Allright, I was just getting hooked on your mellower side and you do this! But that's ok, 'cause this is great.

I'd really like to hear those drums bashing away more in the louder parts. Especially the cymbals during the guitar solo.

Lots of discussion about the vocals here, so I'll add my 2 cents. It sounds like you weren't as sure about what you were trying to do with the vocals as you usually are. If this was anyone else I'd say "great vocals" - but this is you so I'll give you crap. The weird could be weirder. The angry could be angrier. Pedullist's comment about making them more sarcastic is dead on in my opinion.

Your dirty geetar tone keeps getting better and better. Good job.
 
Hey man...thanks a lot. I'm actually reworking a lot of this today. I just finished a MUCH better mix. I'll also be going over the vocals a little today to see what I want to redo. Thanks man.


Thanks guys! Please let this thread disappear...I'm onto the remix now.
 
Not before I tell you this...

My wife listened to it and she said (here comes the brutal truth):

- Hey, I love this
- I love his vocals, beeeeeautiful
- Wow
- You see, one can make this type of music on a computer (I always tell her one can't, but that's personal....I can't make this type of music on a computer ;) )
- Turn it up please

:D
 
LOL Ped...thanks man. Makes me feel a little bit better. I've been reworking it for about 2 hours now. Redid those vocals you pointed out. See, it was just the bass and guitar there from when I sent it to Sam. I wrote the vocal to fit that and never settled on a voice for it. The new track should be at least better. I also fixed a lot of other things that I simply rushed...mostly EQ.

This is what happens when I go from like 3 acoustic mixes to an all out power dirge! LOL. I'm gonna give it at least a day before I post a remix. My name must be getting tiring to some. Plus I want to be confident in the mix before I waste peoples' time. Later man.

The song has been pulled. Thanks to everyone for the very useful feedback!

End transmission.
 
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