BigRay
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not in the open.
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c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
What's the price for Chessrock??? 
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sdelsolray
Active member
BigRay said:
Ray,
Are you an authorized dealer capable of providing a USA warranty, etc?
BigRay
New member
they will honor warranties, but no, I am not a "dealer" per se. I just have established a good relationship with the company over the years while using their mics.
If I am not mistaken, warranties are based on serial number and time of purchase. I dont know what the difference in a "USA" warranty is, but I personally would never send my MGs to anyone other than the HQ there in Bavaria..
FWIW, I have NEVER gotten any sort of warranty card from Gefell with any of my purchases.
So,No, I am not a dealer. Im just a guy that has a good relationship with the folks at MG. They have stated that If I chose to be a retailer when I return stateside, that they would make it happen, but it hasnt happened yet.
Teddy
PS, Gefells dont ever break do they?
If I am not mistaken, warranties are based on serial number and time of purchase. I dont know what the difference in a "USA" warranty is, but I personally would never send my MGs to anyone other than the HQ there in Bavaria..
FWIW, I have NEVER gotten any sort of warranty card from Gefell with any of my purchases.
So,No, I am not a dealer. Im just a guy that has a good relationship with the folks at MG. They have stated that If I chose to be a retailer when I return stateside, that they would make it happen, but it hasnt happened yet.
Teddy
PS, Gefells dont ever break do they?
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benjikan
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Se 2200a
I don't think so. I have used the 3300 up against the 103 and there is no contest IMO...The 2200 is an excellent microphone at any price point...
GOODLAND said:
I don't think so. I have used the 3300 up against the 103 and there is no contest IMO...The 2200 is an excellent microphone at any price point...
homestudioguy
Well-known member
Take your SE2200A to a shop that sells the TLM103, Z3300A and listen to them all.GOODLAND said:
dkelley
Active member
The TLM 103 is an orchestral or choral classical mic. It works great for some rock/pop stuff as well, but it is a relatively flat mic response-wise with incredible specs (best of class for self noise and transient response) and is absolutely incredible for recording an orchestra or choir. It works great in a room that has great acoustics and sounds like crap in a room that has crap acoustics. It's an amazing design but not intended for or even well suited to rock music.
If you get one, it's going to be useful to you for things like recording a string quartet, an orchestra, a choir, or any large or small group of acoustic musicians (including folk or rock acoustic) as an overhead to catch the entire sound of the group. It's not ideal for close micing but can be used that way and does often work well for female close miced vocals, especially if you're more of a soft, intimate vocalist. I don't own one but have rented one and truly appreciate it for what it is.
But just because it doesn't work well with screaming male lead vocals or on guitar cabs or drum sets don't assume it's not an amazing mic, just don't forget that what you're micing requires a mic with a lot of "artifacts" such as uneven frequency response and tube "warmth" (commonly known as harmonic distortion and non-linearity) to sound similar to the recordings we're mostly trying to emulate. So if you want a rock mic, get a rock mic. But if you want an accurate mic which isn't terribly complimentary to your sound (it will show you what you really sound like, for better or for worse), get a TLM 103. that is it's design, it's supposed to work like that.
I wouldnt' use a flat response testing microphone (earthworks or Audix TR-40, or a cheap example: behringer ECM 8000) for lead vocals, guitar cab or drumset either by the way. But it's still a great mic and is actually more accurate than most of the mics we use daily in our studios.
Cheers,
Don
If you get one, it's going to be useful to you for things like recording a string quartet, an orchestra, a choir, or any large or small group of acoustic musicians (including folk or rock acoustic) as an overhead to catch the entire sound of the group. It's not ideal for close micing but can be used that way and does often work well for female close miced vocals, especially if you're more of a soft, intimate vocalist. I don't own one but have rented one and truly appreciate it for what it is.
But just because it doesn't work well with screaming male lead vocals or on guitar cabs or drum sets don't assume it's not an amazing mic, just don't forget that what you're micing requires a mic with a lot of "artifacts" such as uneven frequency response and tube "warmth" (commonly known as harmonic distortion and non-linearity) to sound similar to the recordings we're mostly trying to emulate. So if you want a rock mic, get a rock mic. But if you want an accurate mic which isn't terribly complimentary to your sound (it will show you what you really sound like, for better or for worse), get a TLM 103. that is it's design, it's supposed to work like that.
I wouldnt' use a flat response testing microphone (earthworks or Audix TR-40, or a cheap example: behringer ECM 8000) for lead vocals, guitar cab or drumset either by the way. But it's still a great mic and is actually more accurate than most of the mics we use daily in our studios.
Cheers,
Don
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Rocket Boy
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Just to throw another suggestion in here, I own a Peluso 2247 and think it's a wonderfull mic for under 1300 dollars. You can get the LE for a little more. Depends what you're recording with it, but I've found it to be a very full bodied, intimate sounding mic that seems to sound good on a lot of things - esspecially voice. Also seems to sit in a busier mix very well too. Just my 0.02.
tkingen
Djembes Rock
dkelley said:
This is a good post!
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littledog
New member
I guess it all comes down to "compared to what".
Maybe my TLM-103 doesn't sound like the ones Don has (entirely possible) but I wold hardly describe mine as flat. It definitely has a an upper midrange bump/presence peak. Nothing like what I consider to be a flat mic. Of course, compared to an Oktava 219, it could probably be described as ruler-flat.
Maybe my TLM-103 doesn't sound like the ones Don has (entirely possible) but I wold hardly describe mine as flat. It definitely has a an upper midrange bump/presence peak. Nothing like what I consider to be a flat mic. Of course, compared to an Oktava 219, it could probably be described as ruler-flat.
dkelley
Active member
littledog said:
hey, totally true, not exactly what I meant. It has a 5k+ shelf that is a few db higher than the rest of the response, but it's totally flat otherwise, and that is easily eqed out with a shelving eq if desired. But that is mostly apparent in a small room, in a large room the upper shelf doesn't really show up much.
Good point though, my wording should have been "smooth" not "flat".
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MCI2424
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GOODLAND said:
I have 2. They work awesome for some things. I have other mics that work awesome for other things. Any other critisism is just plain that.
All equipment is tools. Tools get a job done. The TLM103 is a great mic like every other great mic. When missapplied, it will not bring joy and hence, will be commented unfavorably here and there.
If you can't get a good sound with a 103, your room/monitors or your lack of experience probably need work.
Good luck and try before you buy, not on the popular consensus of a BBS.
wheelema
Boner-obo
Ya' gotta love the mic forum!
Personally I would never drop 2/3rds of my budget on a single mic, and specially not on a TLM103 that is priced high because of the brand, not intrinsic workmanship/value.
If you need the name Neuman to draw in buyers, well, I may take some heat for his but, um... lie. Oh, yeah, it's in the shop for repairs! Yeah, that's it!
For fifteen hundred (assuming you already have a solid pre) I would personally, for what's it worth (nothing?) buy a SM7B dynamic, a ShinyBox 46MXL ribbon, and a Studio Projects T3 large condensor for a total of approx. $1,400.
Personally I would never drop 2/3rds of my budget on a single mic, and specially not on a TLM103 that is priced high because of the brand, not intrinsic workmanship/value.
If you need the name Neuman to draw in buyers, well, I may take some heat for his but, um... lie. Oh, yeah, it's in the shop for repairs! Yeah, that's it!
For fifteen hundred (assuming you already have a solid pre) I would personally, for what's it worth (nothing?) buy a SM7B dynamic, a ShinyBox 46MXL ribbon, and a Studio Projects T3 large condensor for a total of approx. $1,400.
homestudioguy
Well-known member
The SE2200A is a great mic but doesnt have the hi-end response as others.GOODLAND said:
If you like the sE brand you should really check out the sE GEMINI. It is about $1249. It's reptutation as a top selling well respected mic is growing quickly.
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Soundmind??
New member
The 103 with a good pre will capture whatever u record accurately and quietly, it works great with the Avalon 737 when some warmth is needed.
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Rick Shepherd
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I second the idea of looking at the Peluso 2247, but better yet, the 2247LE. It rocks on voice and guitar! Also, there are the Pearlman mics which are very popular. Another popular mic is the Josephson line, and also Charteroaks.
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Fury
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The TLM103 is not a great mic and here is why:
It is higher priced for its quality since it is a Neumann. It is a light version of of their high end mics. It DOES NOT give you the same response as those. If you think you are getting a 3-5k condensor mic sound it ain't happening. Honestly I did a side by side comparing this mic to a Rode NT-1 and I noticed very little difference (other than some inherrent noise in the Rode).
For the money there are just better mics out there. The AKG 414 is just a mic you cannot lose on. If you have the money by a matched pair of XL IIs...they are great for all vocals, overheads, acoustic guitars and just about anything you can shake a stick at. They are good for different kinds of music too from rock to rap to country to classical.
The Blueberry is a decent choice but it is very limited in how you can use it and what you can use it on.
The TLM103 sells because it looks nice, says Neumann and it fits a lot of budgets. 3k for a U87 doesn't fit a lot of budgets
But if you are having problems spending 1-2k on Mics - what does it matter how much of an impression you are giving clients?
It is higher priced for its quality since it is a Neumann. It is a light version of of their high end mics. It DOES NOT give you the same response as those. If you think you are getting a 3-5k condensor mic sound it ain't happening. Honestly I did a side by side comparing this mic to a Rode NT-1 and I noticed very little difference (other than some inherrent noise in the Rode).
For the money there are just better mics out there. The AKG 414 is just a mic you cannot lose on. If you have the money by a matched pair of XL IIs...they are great for all vocals, overheads, acoustic guitars and just about anything you can shake a stick at. They are good for different kinds of music too from rock to rap to country to classical.
The Blueberry is a decent choice but it is very limited in how you can use it and what you can use it on.
The TLM103 sells because it looks nice, says Neumann and it fits a lot of budgets. 3k for a U87 doesn't fit a lot of budgets
But if you are having problems spending 1-2k on Mics - what does it matter how much of an impression you are giving clients?
davidguevara80
Always Online
I had a KSM27 For a While and i recently found a very good deal on a KSM 44 And a TLM103.I Recorded a few Tracks to compare them (Male Vocals) And for real,there wasn't too much Difference Between the TLM103 And the KSM44.
The Thing is that Everybody knows Neumann Better and that will give you more "Cool" To your Studio.
Buy it Used because with $1000 you can make a better buy than the TLM103.
The Thing is that Everybody knows Neumann Better and that will give you more "Cool" To your Studio.
Buy it Used because with $1000 you can make a better buy than the TLM103.
darrin_h2000
Banned
...as for those who think they can book a studio with a name brand on a mic...I think there are Neumann stickers you can put on an MXL2001...that ought to bring those dumbasses in...lol.
dgatwood
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And for those who think it makes sense to dig up a three-year-old post just to compare two mics that are frequently discussed in more recent threads, I just have to ask, "Why?"