I bought a crazily cheap 'Neumann' TLM103 and it's really decent!

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Everybody is entitled to an opinion. If you consider a product does not meet your ethical and moral requirements don’t buy it. You seem statistically to be in the minority here, so let’s set your opinion of what constitutes counterfeit to one side.

I’m waiting for somebody else to try one and report back.
Mine showed up yesterday. It will be about a week before I get to try it out. I don't have a Neumann, so I won't know if it sounds like one. All I'm interested in, is that it sounds good. If it sounds good, it is good, IMO.

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Ive always found the emotional side of this as a crossword puzzle, where Warm and Beezkneez and all the Puluso Clones..are all "OK" and then products ":cloned" are Bad .
especially if made in China.

What is OK and what's BAD? A "clone" is ok, but AliExpress cheap clones are bad? or sometimes sound "decent"?

when I worked at INTEL they stopped using numbers for their CPU chips because the court said you cant "own" numbers, so they killed the 386,486, 586 plan..and changed 586 to PENTIUM which could be copyrighted "owned" as a name, so AMD couldn't copy their 586 chip plan.
I remember INTEL INSIDE symbol with a swirl was announced, they had a contest to rename the 586 and someone said Pentium, and won ...probably a Dinner card for $100.

So the TLM103....Neumann name brand maybe can be owned and the SYMBOL stating Neumann, but seems Neumann cant copyright a square or shape, nor a number, so what's in the little box on the mic label could say KATS or SPAM or POOP and it would be legal I suppose. and can be called a SHOOM 103 with a Purple Square on it.
Probably cant copyright colors either, so red, purple, black, white is open for everyone.

- numbers
- shapes
-colors

what if my legal name was Neumann and I wanted to make microphones? lol
 
I'm on Neumann's side. Patent laws should be increased to 50 years, to stop this kind of nonsense from happening, imo. I don't even think that would stop certain countries from doing this type of thing. Cheap knockoffs, ripping off intellectual property, copying circuits, devious stuff imo. There's so many clones nowadays the concept of intellectual property doesn't exist any longer, and using cheap rip offs has become an 'Entitlement'. Going by the title of this very thread, it's a 'crazily cheap 'Neumann' 103', as advertised on aliexpress.
 
Some also say that big companies charge too much for actual worth. OK so the ripoffs are too cheap, but I'm sure there's a balance somewhere -- and Neumann isn't being fair in their own way.
 
I agree with the inventors and owners lasting longer or for a lifetime.
If I invented something who is to say I only get ownership for X amount of years....why not some lifetime royalty check?
Songs continue to make money and after so many decades the original owner gets them back, and can do what they want with them.
It covers the musician or inventor a little bit from the scamming Allen Klein like managers or some wasted 17 yr olds signing their work away.

I know at most big companies you sign away inventor rights and they own anything you invent while working for them.

As for China and Bootleggers they aren't going to pay per law anyway, so it doesn't matter. But all the CLONES, making Neumann clones or NEVE clones, seems odd the Neve family doesn't get something even a small 10% from the "Cloners".

but that's not how it is, so meaningless point.
 
I agree with the inventors and owners lasting longer or for a lifetime.
If I invented something who is to say I only get ownership for X amount of years....why not some lifetime royalty check?
Songs continue to make money and after so many decades the original owner gets them back, and can do what they want with them.
It covers the musician or inventor a little bit from the scamming Allen Klein like managers or some wasted 17 yr olds signing their work away.

I know at most big companies you sign away inventor rights and they own anything you invent while working for them.

As for China and Bootleggers they aren't going to pay per law anyway, so it doesn't matter. But all the CLONES, making Neumann clones or NEVE clones, seems odd the Neve family doesn't get something even a small 10% from the "Cloners".

but that's not how it is, so meaningless point.
There are distinctions between Patent, Copyright and Trademark.

A Trademark is a design or phrase that is an identifier, like the Neumann square with their name down the middle, or Coke, or Gibson's open book headstock. They can be indefinitely held as long as you do period registrations. So you can't use Coke or Coca Cola as long as they keep it active. But if you change the design, slightly you can avoid trademark infringement. The problem is that it must be distinctive, and not something that is in common use. Sometimes trademarks become common use, like Kleenex vs tissue. People call all tissues Kleenex, which is an actual brand. Remember the SNL "no Coke, Pepsi" line? You aren't supposed to sell someone Pepsi if they ask for Coke.

A Copyright is for authorship of a document or work of art, such as a song, book, schematic drawings or photos. You can't copyright names, individual words or simple phrases. You can copyright a schematic, but not the circuit itself. It generally lasts the life of the author plus 70 years which covers the person's direct estate.

A Patent is designed to cover an invention which prevents others from making the exact same product. The problem is it must be an exact duplicate. You can patent a circuit, but if someone else changes the values of some parts, or alters the design of the item, then it can avoid infringement. The patent is issued for 20 years to allow the inventor to recuperate costs involved in research and development but not so long as to stifle competition forever.

Drugs are a prime example. HomeRec pharmaceuticals creates a drug that cures baldness and beer belly. The development cost $1M but the drug only costs $2 to make. You sell it for $250 a dose and estimate that for 20 years you'll make $2B/yr. CoolCat pharmaceuticals wants to start making it and sell it for $5 a pop after the patent runs out. In the meantime, Serendipity Drugs Inc, figures out after a year that if you use a different process and add 2 extra carbon atoms to the molecule, it works just as well and costs $1.50 to make. They start making the drug, selling it for $10 a pop because they aren't as greedy as HR Pharm. They make $3B/yr! HR Pharm doesn't meet their predictions, the CEO gets sacked, and the stock plummets to 50 cents a share. Eventually the patent expires, and 20 other companies start making it and sell it for $3 a pill and it becomes a generic drug.

When you work for a company and patent something, the logic is that the company is paying you to do the work, and while your name will be on the patent, the company actually owns invention, and as such, are responsible for filing and defending any patent issues.
 
Drugs are a prime example. HomeRec pharmaceuticals creates a drug that cures baldness and beer belly. The development cost $1M but the drug only costs $2 to make. You sell it for $250 a dose and estimate that for 20 years you'll make $2B/yr. CoolCat pharmaceuticals wants to start making it and sell it for $5 a pop after the patent runs out. In the meantime, Serendipity Drugs Inc, figures out after a year that if you use a different process and add 2 extra carbon atoms to the molecule, it works just as well and costs $1.50 to make. They start making the drug, selling it for $10 a pop because they aren't as greedy as HR Pharm. They make $3B/yr! HR Pharm doesn't meet their predictions, the CEO gets sacked, and the stock plummets to 50 cents a share. Eventually the patent expires, and 20 other companies start making it and sell it for $3 a pill and it becomes a generic drug.
LMAO! I would think it would be more like $200B/yr, considering 90% of the world population would be buying it!
 
Mine showed up Yesterday - the KETS mic is well built and has metal body - the Shock Mount is Plastic - but looks exactly like the Neumann show mount with the open front. - the Plastic probably won’t hold up as well - and if bothered I would easily use the TLM 103 Shock mount or buy another.

I recorded a test using both the TLM 103 and the KETS 103 at the same time about 3 inches apart - I was in a Untreated room and didn’t use Pop Filter - I would go between them but didn’t hear much if any variance - although the KETS mic has a feint upper treble ringing to my ears - I know which mic was which in the recording - but in a blind test I doubt I could tell - the audio is solid and I would gladly use this mic in a critical setting.

Overall for $13 (free Shipping) it’s an amazing deal - and I know it’s been said - but there is no way I would mistake this mic for the Neumann even in a casual setting - it has a resemblance to the TLM 103 - But the Neuman Badge and the words Neumann TLM 103 below the badge are dead give a ways.
 

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Excellent - these clearly are very useful mics and at the price, you could buy a few and use them on loads of stuff.

It's always good to get genuine bargains.
 
Excellent - these clearly are very useful mics and at the price, you could buy a few and use them on loads of stuff.

It's always good to get genuine bargains.
So I bought two for my Church - we needed more Condensers and this fits the bill - only thing is they were now $22 instead of $12.
 
Some also say that big companies charge too much for actual worth. OK so the ripoffs are too cheap, but I'm sure there's a balance somewhere -- and Neumann isn't being fair in their own
It isn’t about being fair - the cost of a microphone isn’t based on morals or ethics - they are priced at what Neumann feels the market will bear - and so far they aren’t wrong - Neumann sells a whole lot of TLM 103s - even at the $1300 price tag - I also love bargains - and these KETS mics are tremendous deal - and Neumann has already got my TLM 103 money ( I own a real one - which I bought new).
 
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There’s only one 26mm left.

I wonder if the larger diaphragm is any good. They certainly are more $

Last I looked about 34 bucks.
 
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There’s only one 26mm left.

I wonder if the larger diaphragm is any good. They certainly are more $

Last I looked about 34 bucks.
$17.55 right now - the price moves a lot - it’s been up and down over the last week - same mic too - the 34mm mic is at $33.20 for them moment.
 
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