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rob aylestone

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I found this on YouTube and that’s an 18yr old me in the picture but I don’t recognise anything suno has done to it, however I wonder if I should add it to my performing rights account with a 25% share? I wonder if it would be possible to actually generate money? 46 years ago. It would have been nice for the drummer to actually have asked us?
 
It would have been nice for the drummer to actually have asked us?

If it is all AI generated music and vocals no royalties can be had...The lyrics ( whoever wrote them ) are the property of the composer...If suno actually duplicated the music arrangement whomever composed the music has a claim to that piece of the pie...Bottom line is unless some movie or TV show picks it up it is unlikely it will generate much $$$ but if by some crazy chance it did.. getting any $$ is related to the lyrics and the composition unless that is you actually playing and singing on it.
 
I'm sort of coming at it from the reverse - If what Suno does is an 'arrangement', then it's more like a cover song - which means the original composers have rights? Clearly I'm not stupid enough to actually spend money on this, but The original writers of music and lyrics do have rights as to saying no - and of course organisations such as Harry Fox will licence you to do a cover of a song. So replacing lyrics removes the original writer's ability to collect royalties, but often it's music AND lyrics assigned to two people, so they share the total. Composers take people to court for songs that steal their melodies and chord structures or even rhythms - so with Suno being so good at copying, before long somebody rich will hear a piece of music that is clearly an arrangement of their song and let the courts decide. Will it be Suno in court or the person that did it? This will happen at some point, just to set a precedent.

The trouble with my own example is that we never formalised our writing - we were young and having fun, but all 4 of us think we wrote the same things. I remember maybe a couple of tracks that I think I wrote, but they also credit me on songs I don't remember at all? It patently doesn't matter as the songs were pretty awful from memory, but it is just strange to hear a credit for a piece of new music of my old music I don't remember?
 
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I'm sort of coming at it from the reverse - If what Suno does is an 'arrangement', then it's more like a cover song - which means the original composers have rights? Clearly I'm not stupid enough to actually spend money on this, but The original writers of music and lyrics do have rights as to saying no - and of course organisations such as Harry Fox will licence you to do a cover of a song. So replacing lyrics removes the original writer's ability to collect royalties, but often it's music AND lyrics assigned to two people, so they share the total. Composers take people to court for songs that steal their melodies and chord structures or even rhythms - so with Suno being so good at copying, before long somebody rich will hear a piece of music that is clearly an arrangement of their song and let the courts decide. Will it be Suno in court or the person that did it? This will happen at some point, just to set a precedent.

The trouble with my own example is that we never formalised our writing - we were young and having fun, but all 4 of us think we wrote the same things. I remember maybe a couple of tracks that I think I wrote, but they also credit me on songs I don't remember at all? It patently doesn't matter as the songs were pretty awful from memory, but it is just strange to hear a credit for a piece of new music of my old music I don't remember?


"Suno" is not going to publish or "put it out there". If what your old band mate put out there is all AI there are no royalties to be had except for the lyrics...If it copies some of the original musical composition you may have some claim to some part of that... but it sounds like you are not even sure who did what on that song so it would be another cluster muck that said....with literally millions of AI songs being generated every day .( yes millions) and hundreds of thousands being uploaded and shared on music platforms every day. The odds of that particular song generating anything worth rubbing your hands and licking your chops about is nil. FWIW "IF" it for some reason it went viral it would be your old band mate you'd be taking to court not Suno...He was the one that uploaded to Suno and then published it.. Suno has no rights to the song

I asked the Gemini what the data is on this...

How many ai songs are being released each day worldwide and what is the percentage of increase expected to be in the coming years?

Gemini's response...

An estimated 75,000 to over 100,000 fully AI-generated songs are uploaded every single day to worldwide music platforms, and the broader generative AI music market is expected to grow at a Compound Annual Growth Rate (CAGR) of 27.8% to 30.5% over the coming years. [1, 2, 3]

Daily Upload Volume
  • 75,000 songs daily on Deezer: The global streaming service Deezer reported that 44% of all its new daily uploads are fully AI-generated tracks. [1]
  • 33,000+ songs daily on Apple Music: Executives revealed that over one-third (33%) of all new daily tracks uploaded to Apple Music are synthetically generated. [1]
  • 7 million total daily creations: Beyond what is officially distributed to major streaming platforms, consumer creation tools like Suno log millions of user-generated tracks every single day. [1]

Market Growth Predictions
While the sheer volume of daily track uploads has exploded dramatically, market researchers measure the financial and structural growth of generative AI in music through compounding annual growth rates: [1, 2]
  • 30.5% Annual Growth (Generative AI Music Platforms): According to a Grand View Research Horizon report, the core global generative AI music market is projected to expand from $569.7 million to nearly $2.8 billion by 2030. [1]
  • 27.8% Annual Growth (Broad AI Music Ecosystem): A comprehensive market analysis by Market.us forecasts that the total AI music sector (including production tools, mastering, and streaming algorithms) will swell to $60.44 billion by 2034. [1]

The Disconnect: Uploads vs. Listening Time
Despite the massive influx of AI-generated content hitting server databases, actual listener engagement remains heavily human-centric. Both Deezer and industry analysts report that AI tracks account for less than 1% to 3% of total listening time. Furthermore, streaming platforms have actively deployed filter tools to flag and demonetize these tracks, identifying up to 85% of automated AI streams as fraudulent traffic. [1, 2, 3, 4]
 
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It's an interesting question but it looks like he hasn't credited you as a writer.
Maybe he asked those people?

Lyrics: Mike Murr
Music: Paul Johnson, Paul Boyce, Bob Money, Mike Murr
 
I found this on YouTube and that’s an 18yr old me in the picture but I don’t recognise anything suno has done to it, however I wonder if I should add it to my performing rights account with a 25% share? I wonder if it would be possible to actually generate money? 46 years ago. It would have been nice for the drummer to actually have asked us?


Interesting thread.
Why are you wondering about performing rights?
 
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