MSR 16 reviews?

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Hey everyone!!! I'm still doing research for a studio that I want to build. I've become interested in the MSR 16. The tape width is 1/2" right? So the track width would be the same as a 388. How is the sound quality? Are all of the inputs RCA? Basically . . . do you all like this machine? Thanks for all of the help.
 
Hey everyone!!! I'm still doing research for a studio that I want to build. I've become interested in the MSR 16. The tape width is 1/2" right? So the track width would be the same as a 388. How is the sound quality? Are all of the inputs RCA? Basically . . . do you all like this machine? Thanks for all of the help.

Assuming good condition of heads, transport, electronics, it should sound fine. RCA in/out connections are no problem. Just use good quality (low capacitance) cable. If you are going to constantly re patch things, get a/some patchbays so your basic setup stays intact.
 
I've heard good things about the MSR16. Some say the Fostex G16 that was contemporary to the MSR16 had a better "sound quality", but I fearlessly say that that is a totally debatable issue, and that the MSR16 transport was hurkier...I think that may be a point of argument as well, but I think there is less opposition to that.

+1 to Rick's statement about the RCA jacks and cable. Balanced I/O is overrated in a home or project studio environment IMO. It is unneccessary in cable runs less than 25' or so. I was so stuck on everything being balanced. These guys here convinced me otherwise. The advent of balanced audio circuitry was for the phone company...100's...1000's of miles of analog audio lines back in the day. Totally superfluous in a setting with short cable runs and you are actually risking negatively impacting the signal by running it balanced as you are sending the signal through unnecessary conversion circuitry. The response specs on my Tascam 58 are actually better through the RCA I/O. Balanced audio technology didn't creep its way into home studios because it "sounds better" (unless you are having a problem with hum and interference), but because we felt more "pro" because the big studios run balanced...why? Because the cable chases from the mixing desk to the machine isolation rooms were more than 25'. It was necessary.

The MSR16 is a good machine from everything I hear. I suggest you stay away from the 'S' models (MSR16S)...those are the Dolby S versions as opposed to the dbx versions...lots of stuff around the internet about Dolby S chips going bad after so many years...dbx is pretty much tried and true, and a dbx machine is likely to be lower priced anyway...more available too.

Just do all the things we talk about here all the time...buy local if you can help it...don't risk getting a deck online and having it shipped. I'd say at best you have a 50/50 chance that something is going to be damaged in shipment. If you can buy local you can go and see a demonstration. Don't feel pressured to not do a thorough inspection...see it go through all its paces...make sure that all the inputs work and that it will play back from all tracks. Look at the heads. Ask about the history. Is it in an environment that looks caring? Give the seller a heads up that (if possible) you'd like it to be in a position to be powered up when you come to see it and connected to a mixer so that you can test it out.
 
Maybe I'm just stupid . . . but I wasn't so worried about ballanced vs. unballance (I don't really get it all . . . ) but I was more worried about . . . can RCA get good sound quality? I just want a unit that will be flexible and have good sound quality. Thanks y'all.
 
Maybe I'm just stupid . . . but I wasn't so worried about ballanced vs. unballance (I don't really get it all . . . ) but I was more worried about . . . can RCA get good sound quality? I just want a unit that will be flexible and have good sound quality. Thanks y'all.

Signal doesn't care how it is connected as long as it has a clean path. The rca ends are no better or worse than 1/4".
 
RCA is no different than any other unbalanced connection.

Sorry, I thought you were wondering about how good RCA is compared to balanced I/O (i.e. on 1/4" TRS or XLR connections).

Absolutely nothing worng with connections on RCA jacks, though popular opinion might say different. Some have even said that good RCA connections are actually better than 1/4", but the utilization of RCA type connections for the consumer market has made them a less "professional" type. I think that's one reason why they are not as common today on "professional" gear, because it is asssumed that it is not as good just because of the RCA jacks...that it's lesser because its got "consumer-grade" jacks.

You are totally golden with RCA jacks, and in some situations maybe even better. So much of your favorite hit songs were recorded/mastered through RCA jacks.
 
The MSR16 is a fine machine, I have had one since new, however mine is the MSR16S which has dolby S instead of DBX noise reduction.

I think you will find a good running MSR16 a better recorder than a 388. I also believe the 388 ran at 7-1/2" sec where the MSR can run at 15" sec. This will increase the quality.

The RCA connectors are no problem at all, all the older Tascam gear had RCA connectors, just use good quality plugs and leads.

I have released many projects recorded on a MSR16.

Cheers

Alan.
 
nate_dennis,

I would also like to chime in and cast a positive vote for the MSR-16. Bought mine 2nd hand and used it for years with excellent results. Click on the link below to listen to a song I recorded with it. If you can find one in good condition I'm sure you will enjoy it. Good Luck :) Dave

 
WOW I really like the sound quality of that tune. So it sounds like it's a pretty decent machine. Cool. Anyone have a manual?
 
The MSR16 where to begin? I bought one brand new in 1990. It never worked. Mechanically it was fine. The transport etc seemed allright but the sound was full of Rice Crispies (snap crackle and pop). I went to the retail dealer, no satisfaction. I went directly to Tascam, they had me ship the unit back to them 150 dollars each way at my expense. When it returned it a exactly exactly exactly the same. At Tascams suggestion I replaced almost everything in my studio. No dice. At the time I had a thriving studio bussiness. I completely lost my bussiness. When finances allowed I puchased a Fostex G16. Better sound, better features never a sevice issue, never a breakdown, never a lost minute due to mechanical problems. Tascam ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Cost me my bussiness. G16 better sound better reliability. You decide. Fostex machines are treated like stepchildren on this site but in my experince for a small personal studio they are superior to tascams. Thats my story and Im sticking to it.
 
The MSR16 where to begin? I bought one brand new in 1990. It never worked. Mechanically it was fine. The transport etc seemed allright but the sound was full of Rice Crispies (snap crackle and pop). I went to the retail dealer, no satisfaction. I went directly to Tascam, they had me ship the unit back to them 150 dollars each way at my expense. When it returned it a exactly exactly exactly the same. At Tascams suggestion I replaced almost everything in my studio. No dice. At the time I had a thriving studio bussiness. I completely lost my bussiness. When finances allowed I puchased a Fostex G16. Better sound, better features never a sevice issue, never a breakdown, never a lost minute due to mechanical problems. Tascam ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Cost me my bussiness. G16 better sound better reliability. You decide. Fostex machines are treated like stepchildren on this site but in my experince for a small personal studio they are superior to tascams. Thats my story and Im sticking to it.

I had an MSR16 with Dolby S in my pro studio attached to a Mackie 32-8 in the mid nineties. I never had any problems with it. It always ran on Ampex 456 and produced many fine indie albums, some to critical acclaim.

Nothing like what Thrust mentions ever occured on that machine.

The MSR16 was an upgrade from a TSR-8 which also ran nicely. That machine was attached to a Soundtracs 16-8-16 board.

Jed
 
I have a couple of MSR-16's, they're awesome machines. I think you'd be happy be with one, too, but do your best to locate one locally instead of shipping it.

-MD
 
Sheesh!

I would also like to chime in and cast a positive vote for the MSR-16. Bought mine 2nd hand and used it for years with excellent results. Click on the link below to listen to a song I recorded with it. If you can find one in good condition I'm sure you will enjoy it. Good Luck Dave

Stinker...that's the SECOND clip I've heard done by Dave at Hilltop Studios done on a narrow-format deck that sounds incredible!

Thanks for putting that up, Dave.
 
An aside: the one Tascam 16 track to avoid at all costs is the 1" format 85-16. It had a major design flaw in the capstan motor's servo-control circuit. I had many battles with TASCAM over this. Supposedly, the Model 85-16B fixed it but I have no 1st hand knowledge in that regard.
 
An aside: the one Tascam 16 track to avoid at all costs is the 1" format 85-16.

Duly noted!

Thanks guys for being so open with your knowledge. I really appreciate all your help.
 
Stinker...that's the SECOND clip I've heard done by Dave at Hilltop Studios done on a narrow-format deck that sounds incredible!

Thanks for putting that up, Dave.

I have his machine third-hand with relapped heads. I'm loving it.
 
Superbeatballer,
Wow you have my old msr-16 ? Are you in Pa. I can't remember the name of the fellow I sold it to but I believe he only had it for about a year before he sold it. Glad your enjoying it :) Regards, Dave
 
Superbeatballer,
Wow you have my old msr-16 ? Are you in Pa. I can't remember the name of the fellow I sold it to but I believe he only had it for about a year before he sold it. Glad your enjoying it :) Regards, Dave

Yeah, I have it. It was an ebay transaction, a big no-no around these parts. We
spoke extensively about the shipping method and everything turned out fine.

The remote, mrl test tape, and report from jrf magnetics were included.
 
superbeatballer,
Glad the transaction went smooth for you. The guy I sold it to came to my house to pick it up. He seemed very nice so I believe he would go the extra mile with good packing to make sure the deck arrived safely. Regards, Dave
 
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