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fenix said:
My computer with software alone has about $6000 dumped into it--and I built it myself. That's not to mention the 2 Aphex Compellors (not cheap!) and the Dual 31 Ashley EQ I used on my mix. If you think that's a cheap setup...well let's just put it this way, you won't find an RNC on my mix. ... ... ... It's not about what you have, but what you do with what you have.
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if it's not about what you have, why mention the $6000 and all the rest ?

your gear makes no impression on me at all.
 
fenix said:
I Wetteke, it seems to me you are the one doing the dick sucking. "in comes this pro...his mix is the best!!!" Sounds like dick sucking to me
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i'm making an observation, i'm not trying to please him.
 
wetteke said:
if it's not about what you have, why mention the $6000 and all the rest ?
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Becase you made a generalization that we all had cheap gear and my intent was not to impress you, it was to invalidate your assumption. If I wanted to impress you, I'd list the rest of my gear.
 
chessrock said:
But I was expecting his to blow everyone else's away by miles, and it turned out to be more like feet, and in some cases, inches. And in one or two cases, not even that.
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Hmmm.... I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but being as objective as I can, I still hear a world of difference between my mix and others, mostly in terms of air/space & overall sonic balance.

Having said that - I didn't do anything exceptional to the tracks to obtain it - just judicious EQ, judicious use of compression/gating, along with careful effect selection. The only "production" change was copying the electric gtr parts over to the last chorus and doubling the backgrounds on the chorus bits....

IMO - the problems I heard on most people's mixes in general terms included heavy-handed low-end (seriously - check your monitoring systems - I don't think you're all hearing the low-end properly if you have to put that much on there!) - over EQ'ing, under-EQ'ing - and a common one: serious overuse of effects....

To me - mixing is both science AND art -- the science comes in in getting the sonic balance right and that is more or less a constant relative to all other audio we hear, but the art is in creative use of effects, pulling/pushing mix elements, changes to mix dynamics -- all these things are creative and subjective - dictated by personal preference. Go too far though, and you lose the critical mix balance that makes the mix translate to most people's ears (and sound systems) reasonably well.



PS - (And yes, I was lazy on the de-essing - didn't have the time to commit to this as I would have liked!)
 
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fenix said:
Becase you made a generalization that we all had cheap gear and my intent was not to impress you, it was to invalidate your assumption. If I wanted to impress you, I'd list the rest of my gear.
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in a manner of speach.

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wetteke said:
my point is that when you can't make it in the multinationals league try to do something different : experiment; try to give it an original sound.
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You mean like running the vocals through an Exciter/maximizer cranked to 11, and the electric guitar washed out through a cheap-sounding chorus? No thanks. :D
 
chessrock said:
You mean like running the vocals through an Exciter/maximizer cranked to 11, and the electric guitar washed out through a cheap-sounding chorus? No thanks. :D
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vocals went through a modulating circuit and too bad you don't like the chorus.
 
OT - Wetteke - quick question...

...and I'm not being facetious - it's an honest comment!

I went to your site - heard your clips - I don't get it.... help me out here!?!
 
wetteke said:
a bunch of guys all make (basicly) the same mix in their home studio's on cheap computers or crappy desks.

in comes this pro with tons of hardware and years of experience.

his mix is the best!!!


some 'contest'.


blue bear : i don't think i like you but you know your trade!

(almost) everyone else : stop sucking each others dicks gentlemen, you're not quite there yet!!!
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Wow. What a way to make friends.
Actually, I liked Blue Bear's mix and LOVED the intro, but it WASN'T my favorite of the bunch.
 
Re: OT - Wetteke - quick question...

Blue Bear Sound said:
...and I'm not being facetious - it's an honest comment!

I went to your site - heard your clips - I don't get it.... help me out here!?!
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i don't think i CAN help you.
 
well, as i said some time ago i make ambient/noise, not music. you are into music (and judging from your comments you have a very conservative approach to even that) so if you don't understand that not everybody is doing guitar/bass/drum/verse/chorus/bridge by now you never will.
 
wetteke said:
well, as i said some time ago i make ambient/noise, not music.
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Oh that's right... I had forgotten you mentioning that.... NOW it makes sense.... thanks for clarifying....
 
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I guess from a sheer noise standpoint, your stuff is pretty impressive, Wettleaky. I get it, now.
 
OK, mix is up. Just so none of you are dissapointed, let me tell you right off the bat that this is pretty conventional. No lead vocals ping-ponging from hard left to hard right, and I didn't push the snare way back under a haze of far-off reverb while pushing the rack tom in your face. :)

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists/album.php?aid=2823&alid=-1

Anyway, I haven't had a chance to listen to this on any system outside of my monitors yet, so I have no clue how it translates. It is pretty dry (I only had two effects to work with anyway), but I like dry mixes.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Hmmm.... I'm not trying to pat myself on the back, but being as objective as I can, I still hear a world of difference between my mix and others, mostly in terms of air/space & overall sonic balance.

Having said that - I didn't do anything exceptional to the tracks to obtain it - just judicious EQ, judicious use of compression/gating, along with careful effect selection. The only "production" change was copying the electric gtr parts over to the last chorus and doubling the backgrounds on the chorus bits....

IMO - the problems I heard on most people's mixes in general terms included heavy-handed low-end (seriously - check your monitoring systems - I don't think you're all hearing the low-end properly if you have to put that much on there!) - over EQ'ing, under-EQ'ing - and a common one: serious overuse of effects....

To me - mixing is both science AND art -- the science comes in in getting the sonic balance right and that is more or less a constant relative to all other audio we hear, but the art is in creative use of effects, pulling/pushing mix elements, changes to mix dynamics -- all these things are creative and subjective - dictated by personal preference. Go too far though, and you lose the critical mix balance that makes the mix translate to most people's ears (and sound systems) reasonably well.



PS - (And yes, I was lazy on the de-essing - didn't have the time to commit to this as I would have liked!)
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Back to the drawing board!
 
man, isn't it great to be free ;) no matter how big a fool you make yourself :p chess, fenix, anyone care to compile a few stats for us lamers :D

i've gained tons of inspiration from this little mix thingy, please proceed...
 
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