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i like santas the best. it suits this kind of music. and it sounds really good.
 
watchtheworld said:
i like santas the best. it suits this kind of music. and it sounds really good.
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Well cool, that's saying a whole lot. What about it suits this kind of music? What exactly do you like about it?
 
well seeing as how i listen to this punkish stuff. the guitars are clear. they seem very prominent and they dont sound as if they're in a room like geet73's. the only thing i don't like about it is the vocals are kinda bad. they seem loud in some parts and quiet in the others.

i dunno you can kind of tell when there's a "roomy" sound and it's not close in your ear sounding.

if anyone knows how to make it very up close please tell me lol.
 
I just want to say that I did this mix to pass some time(30 minutes to be exact). I would not be able to mix an entire album for $150. It's way too much work for way too little money.

watchtheworld said:
well seeing as how i listen to this punkish stuff. the guitars are clear. they seem very prominent and they dont sound as if they're in a room like geet73's. the only thing i don't like about it is the vocals are kinda bad. they seem loud in some parts and quiet in the others.

i dunno you can kind of tell when there's a "roomy" sound and it's not close in your ear sounding.

if anyone knows how to make it very up close please tell me lol.
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I disagree with you on entirely too many levels.

I don't understand how the guitars in my mix sound "roomy", but I'll assume that it's because they're not SUPER bright like S. Clause's. His vocals are buried and the guitars are way too loud. It sounds like he gave the guitars a decent presence boost. They're way too bright, in my opinion. A bit harsh.

I'm not saying this because you picked on my mix, I just don't think you know what you're talking about. If you listen to this "punkish stuff", then you should understand that the vocals take the main role in the mix.
 
Well said Geet.
I agree.
The pop punk out at the moment does focus on the vocals being very clear so folk can make out what the singer is saying.

Eck
 
watchtheworld said:
well seeing as how i listen to this punkish stuff. the guitars are clear. they seem very prominent and they dont sound as if they're in a room like geet73's. the only thing i don't like about it is the vocals are kinda bad. they seem loud in some parts and quiet in the others.

i dunno you can kind of tell when there's a "roomy" sound and it's not close in your ear sounding.

if anyone knows how to make it very up close please tell me lol.
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Punkish smunkish, I hear ya man :rolleyes: I like a person that knows what he likes. So do you play guitar?

If the vocals are bad in santas mix why do you say his is best? Are the vocals bad in everyone elses? :confused:



















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Great job Geet!
 
yeah i knew about the vocals i just didn't know how to word stuff. notice why i said they were bad?

as i said. if you saw my post i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm only commenting on a listeners point of view. i don't know the technical terms and what to call stuff.

but by "roomy" i mean listen to this band
www.myspace.com/sundaysuit
listen to any of the songs.

now if you want to here non-roomy listen to any signed band. there are millions of examples. liiiike... easiest ones blink182 haha.

umm yes i play guitar and piano and a little bass.
and i got impatient because my computer's slow and lame.

and if you don't mind. how do you make the guitars sound like s clauses? because i've been reeeeally wanting to know how to do that.


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i just listend to other. ecktronic and geets sound "roomy" or whatever. and the "squashed" version of mornings i like that one better. then clauses'.
i admit clauses was a little to "bright" but i didn't hear anyone elses that was like that.
 
Thank you for the comments, watchtheworld.

Edit: Haven't read the thread properly; I really do apreciate the comments others have made about my mix too. I'm a newbie (like it says under my nick) and after rami's mixoff contest this is my second SERIOUS (as if I would get paid) attempt at mixing, so I can really use any feedback.

Well to be honest, I wasn't pleased at all with my latest version, and haven't got
around to do a remake. (actually it had some new techniques I wanted to try out, so it was kind of an experiment) I realized I compressed it too much afterall and yeah the vox isn't exactly what I was aiming for either. There definately are versions better than mine.

About the guitars... nothing special really... If I recall right I added a tad of short verb to the guitars and about 5dB boost @ higher freqs, and some compression too.
Perhaps I'll have another shot a bit later for the heck of it.
 
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watchtheworld said:
i don't know the technical terms and what to call stuff.
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Dry and wet;
Wet is 'roomy', well atleast when used with reverb.. I guess :s
 
watchtheworld said:
as i said. if you saw my post i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm only commenting on a listeners point of view. i don't know the technical terms and what to call stuff.
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Well I gotta give you credit for chiming in at least. Alot of peeps just lurk around and don't have much to say at all. It's also a real balancing act when you comment negatively about peoples work especially when you're not offering a solutions or improvements.

Don't get disappointed about the language barrier. If you are interested in audio engineering it takes a good while before you get used to all the terms and then a good while after that to start understanding the principles.
 
S.Clause said:
About the guitars... nothing special really... If I recall right I added a tad of short verb to the guitars and about 5dB boost @ higher freqs, and some compression too.
Perhaps I'll have another shot a bit later for the heck of it.
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okay reverb i understand. 5dB boost meansss to turn it up right? and higher freqs just go to equalizer push the highs?

and where i do find compression?
i have cool edit pro/adobe audition.

lol sorry for the questions. i can't find a like a tutorrial or anything.
 
watchtheworld said:
yeah i knew about the vocals i just didn't know how to word stuff. notice why i said they were bad?

as i said. if you saw my post i have no idea what i'm talking about. i'm only commenting on a listeners point of view. i don't know the technical terms and what to call stuff.

but by "roomy" i mean listen to this band
www.myspace.com/sundaysuit
listen to any of the songs.

now if you want to here non-roomy listen to any signed band. there are millions of examples. liiiike... easiest ones blink182 haha.

umm yes i play guitar and piano and a little bass.
and i got impatient because my computer's slow and lame.

and if you don't mind. how do you make the guitars sound like s clauses? because i've been reeeeally wanting to know how to do that.


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i just listend to other. ecktronic and geets sound "roomy" or whatever. and the "squashed" version of mornings i like that one better. then clauses'.
i admit clauses was a little to "bright" but i didn't hear anyone elses that was like that.
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You can't begin to compare this to a professional recording like Blink 182. Blink is working with HUGE recording budgets. They double, triple, and quadruple track practically everything. The tracking is PERFECT on that stuff. S. Clause's guitars don't even sound like that. (I'm not trying to rag on you, Clause. He just keeps using you as the example.)

The tracks we're working with here were not tracked that well. You keep saying "roomy", which usually means that it sounds like it would from the other side of a room. Mushy and undefined. My guitars are too low in the mix, I know. I tried to make them sound a bit smoother, but I didn't put much effort into it.

To acheive what Clause did, start out by boosting between 3500-6000Hz. Somewhere in there should give you that aggressive high-mid. Just be careful. It's easy to overdo it.
 
rofll okay the point of blink182 was just help me express the "wet" noise as clause put it.

ummm okay boosting... how do i "boost?" lol remember i have no idea what tto do. i just usually hit the "auto" button haah.
 
WatchtheWorld said:
ummm okay boosting... how do i "boost?" lol remember i have no idea what tto do.
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With any sort of eq module be it on a board or a plugin. You will either have the low frequencies pre set at around 100 Hz or sweepable meaning you select the frequency. You can tell which nob/slider(in reference to a plug) is frequency because it will be labeled with numbers from (as an example) 50-175 and then there will be Hz labeled somewhere nearby. Then once you selected the frequency you're going to either cut it or boost it. This will be labeled with 0 (being near the center if its on a console) and then will have numbers ranging from (again as an example) -15 to +15 (or just 15) which is how many dB you are boosting or cutting the frequency. This will be the same for Low, Low Mid, High Mid and Highs. Or on a plugin you will be able to select the specific frequencies in full range (usually 20 hZ to 20 kHZ but I'm sure this varies between plugs ins) on however many bands the EQ module supports. To get a better idea on EQing and other such things I'm sure Tweak's website would have something helpful in the guide.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/

Also a few good books that would be worthwhile would be:
Modern Recording Techniques - Huber & Runstein (A pro engineer I'm working with right now recommended this book to me)
Mastering Engineers Handbook - Hal Leonard
The Mixing Engineers Handbook - Hal Leonard
The Recording Engineers Handbook - Hal Leonard

And there are plenty more. I'm sure someone will be by with a better reading list/guide to EQing. Hope some of this made sense/helped.

Kyle
 
omg i think i got it figured out. aljdfjds
and yeah you were right it is easy to over do it.
thank you so much ahhhh. finalllllyyyy.

and i still don't understand hwat compression is. like when i saw mornings post saying for those of you who like it super squashed or something.
what does he mean and how do i do that?
cause i like that version a lot too.
 
Compression took me forever to truly understand and I still find myself over-compressing the shit out of things. Compression if used properly can make things such as drums sound more punchy. But this is often overused. Compressors have a function called Limiting which prevent signals from exceeding a set threshold level. There is the input ratio (1:1, 2:1, 4:1, 8:1, all the way up to 20:1) and what that means is say you have 8:1 this means that an increase in the input level of 8 dB (if it is above the set threshold value) the output will be increased by 1 dB. Most often you will set the input (level of sound going into the unit in +dB), threshold(highest point in level the audio can reach), ratio(described above), Attack (the speed at which the gain is reduced), Release (the speed at which the gain is restored to the original setting) and then the output is the level at which the audio is returned in dB. For a good in-depth explanation check out the Yamaha Sound Reinforcement Handbook

Kyle
 
watchtheworld said:
omg i think i got it figured out. aljdfjds
and yeah you were right it is easy to over do it.
thank you so much ahhhh. finalllllyyyy.

and i still don't understand hwat compression is. like when i saw mornings post saying for those of you who like it super squashed or something.
what does he mean and how do i do that?
cause i like that version a lot too.
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You should check out this thread and that 'notebook' southside glen made. I haven't entirely read it myself, but I think it will provide enough info on compression, perhaps more than you need.

https://homerecording.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=200496

My last attempt:
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=4374
 
Yes that is probably much more clearly thought out then my scribble of a post.
 
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