ausrock
Well-known member
God Han, you can be a dick sometimes..................I don't recall Alan ever claiming the clip was his and if you bother to check the link he posted to the clip it leads straight to John Mayers..................DUH!!!
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Han said:
I never said the clip was mine Han! I said here is a clip of C4's on acoustic guitars. We have many more of those as well in our possession. As I said before, the reason I did not reveal the gear is if you go to that thread you mention where John posted it. A fellow HR poster wants to buy John's TL Audio P2 so he can get that exact sound. Read it Han...This is exactly what I did not want to happen, and why I was hesitant to reveal what gear it was. I even said this would happen in one of my posts!
The poster claims his C4's are now bad because he can not get that same sound, so he wants to buy John's P2. So what I said would happen....happened. Some guy now thinks the same gear in his hands and house will do the same thing.
You know that is not the case and he is wasting his money. Too many factors involved. That is why I simply put the clip up for the sole purpose of letting people hear a good clip with the C4's. Now it will turn ugly. Last time I ever put up a clip!
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DJL
Self Banned
Using the same type Mayes guitar, PA-2 preamp, C4, and etc would help in copying that Mayes/C4 sound clip... but, I think your right about "many factors" and expecting the same "exact" sound... but, he will get closer to copying that Mayes/C4 sound clip with the same gear than he would trying to copy it without using the same gear.alanhyatt said:
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Han
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Alan, I was under the impression that you were making good show with somebody else's recordings. My mistake, sorry for that. I'm gonna buy a pair of C4's to make up.
Ausrock, yes, I'm all dick!
Ausrock, yes, I'm all dick!
junplugged
Taking the slow road
I don't really know or care what all the fuss is about. You could sit down in front of me, buy me lunch, try to explain it, and I'll look at the waitress walking around. I like clips. I like info. I don't care who takes credit unjustly or not, some of us can think on our own and 1. aren't so unsophisticated that we can't decide for ourselves and 2. aren't about to believe what anyone says about anyone elses motivations to believe that either.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
DJL said:
Again, this is an assumption. You would then need to buy John's guitars, and they are expensive. They are also very good, but they are expensive. Then, you would need to go to the same location and room where the recording took place, ask for the same weather conditions, and more.
Not to start anything here, but the same gear is not going to get someone closer to that sound. This is where hard realization has to come into play. Good recordings can be all luck, or all skill, but too many other variables come into play to make that assumption, and that is why buying the same gear is not the answer.
Buying John's guitars to get an incredible guitar is one thing, but playing it with the correct fingering also adds to the tone of the guitar. John had a very good player to work with. So while this is one post I think you had something positive to add, your assumption in my opinion would still not acheive the same results, or perhaps anyway near it.
noisedude
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Han - you've been tricked!!! It's all part of the plan and by offering to buy C4s to make up for it you've been fooled by the marketing ploy into reaching for your credit card!!!
Or something.
I'd rather buy a set of C4s than a super-pricey guitar ... but then I'd still have a clip nowhere near as good as that one! And thus I'd be forced back here to read about Han's dick ... whatever
Or something.
I'd rather buy a set of C4s than a super-pricey guitar ... but then I'd still have a clip nowhere near as good as that one! And thus I'd be forced back here to read about Han's dick ... whatever
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Han
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Well, I need a pair of SDC's and I'm really curious about the C4's. And I'd like to have a pair of SDC omni's.
I've made some pretty good recordings from an old Martin guitar which I did with an old C451/CK1. I'm gonna search in the archive and maybe I can post some of it.
As for Alan, I hope he's not angry with me. The guy makes some pretty good mics.
I've made some pretty good recordings from an old Martin guitar which I did with an old C451/CK1. I'm gonna search in the archive and maybe I can post some of it.
As for Alan, I hope he's not angry with me. The guy makes some pretty good mics.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Not angry Han, and not a marketing ploy Noisedude. I do not ask anyone here to buy my mics. I amswer questions about them, but I did not ask Han to buy them....
noisedude
New member
You know I'm joking. Han will most likely have a better mic locker for purchasing a pair of C4s. Maybe I need to back off on the old British humour cos I keep getting misunderstood 
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DJL
Self Banned
Oh I agree... however, if you've ever been hired as a session musician who is expected to get a sound that is being required, you'd know that in order to do so one must begin with the required playing style and equipment/gear. For example... after you know how to play the song like Jimi Hendrix if you really want to copy the sound of Jimi you'd also use a strat (upsidedown) and Marshall... rather than a Les Paul and Boogie. PS... eli's guitar work on the Mayes/C4 sound clip is good... not hard to play... it's more like a little fun noodling thing... but I like it. Anyway, the point is... if someone wanted to copy that Mayes/C4 sound clip they would also need a PA-2.alanhyatt said:
PS... did John Mayes use the older type of C4's (before the Brent Casey C4 Mod's) or were they the newer C4 mic used for that Mayes/C4 sound clip?
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Harvey Gerst
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True story:DJL said:
I get a frantic phone call from Steve Marks, President of Acoustic Control; he says Jimi Hendrix just bought 4 of our Acoustic 260 amps and he's having some problems understanding all the features. So, I drive down to TTG Studios and walk in and introduce myself to Jimi. For about 15 minutes, I answer his questions and show him some neat tricks the amp can do.
Now there's one cool trick you can do with a cord into both channels, where you set the effects channel for treble boost and bass rolloff, then set the tremolo full on. At the same time, you rolloff the treble on the second channel and turn up the bass. When you finger pick or play cords, you get clean bass with tremolo on just the high strings - a really cool effect. Since I'm also left handed, I ask to borrow his guitar to show him exactly how it works.
To make a long story short, the strings on his guitar were too heavy for me, and the action too high, so I run downstairs to get my Black Widow electric guitar, also made by Acoustic Control and designed by me, and also left-handed. He sees my left-handed Black Widow, and says "Gimme." End of
amp lessons - he's fascinated by my guitar.
He puts on my guitar, plays with the tone controls, and in about 5 minutes, the sound of the Black Widow thru 4 Acoustic Control amplifiers is pure Hendrix - no Fender Strat, no Marshall amp. It was Hendrix. He winds up keeping my guitar, ordering another Black Widow, and I wind up using one of his four white Strats for a few months.
Flash forward about 3 months:
Our band (Sweetwater) is playing Phoenix, and the PA system craps out about an hour before the show. No problem, since we've used my two guitar amps in the past as a temporary PA with good results, but what am I gonna use for my guitar amp? I call Bill Fry (the Acoustic Control dealer in Phoenix), and he and I go to store around 9 pm, and we grab a Marshall 100 watt head, and a pair of 4x12 cabinets (closest thing to the fron door).
So, here I am on stage in Phoenix, with a Marshall 100 watt stack behind me, and Jimi Hendrix's white Strat in my hands, and the next song features a guitar feedback solo. This is so cool !!! Just before the solo, I turn down my guitar, walk over to the Marshall head, and crank everything to 10. Here comes the solo, and I crank the guitar up full and hit the chord....
dink...
dink? WTF? I hit it again, and again, I get dink.
The Acoustic amps had built in fuzz, and Hendrix had a pair of Fuzzfaces in series, which I forgot about. So here I am with a Marshall stack, Jimi Hendix white Strat, and believe me, even if I had a pair of Fuzzfaces, I was no Hendrix then, or now. In the meantime, Jimi has my guitar, four of the Acoustic solid state amps I designed, and he still sounds exactly like Jimi Hendrix.
It ain't the gear; it never was.
It never will be.
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John Mayes
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DJL said:
I was just something he made up on spot. For sure more than I could play, but not phil keaggy hard. I could post two separate tracks for each guitar part if you would like to hear both takes. I would just have to bounce them down and upload them from protools.
And I'm not sure which ones I had. I got them from sweetwater about 2 months ago. Could have had them in stock for a while though and been the old ones.. I don't know. I do know I like the mics.
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John Mayes
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Harvey Gerst said:
AWESOME story! Man that would have been sweet to meet Jimi.
alanhyatt
PMI Audio Group
Harvey is dead on... You do not need a strat and then have to play it upside down, nor do you need a Marshall to gets sounds like Hendrix. I got sounds out of the old Schultz Rockman, a Vox Wah and a Les Paul that were dead on Jimi. Now I can do it with a POD and my old Hagstrom if I need to. Stevie Ray never played his strat upside down, nor did Eric Johnson unless I am blind. I have no clue where DJL gets this stuff from?
It is also not a TLA PA2 that is needed to get that acoustic clip sound. I can get that out of two VTB-1's, C4's, and a Joemeek stereo compressor. Don't need the TLA P2. Harvey can get that with his RNP and some other gear.
Now having John's guitars and the player to record with is a nice thing, but for me, decent gear, a good room and some placement time and we would nail it.
It is also not a TLA PA2 that is needed to get that acoustic clip sound. I can get that out of two VTB-1's, C4's, and a Joemeek stereo compressor. Don't need the TLA P2. Harvey can get that with his RNP and some other gear.
Now having John's guitars and the player to record with is a nice thing, but for me, decent gear, a good room and some placement time and we would nail it.
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xstatic
New member
If you think purely like a technician you need the gear.
If you think think like a musician you don't.
If you think like an engineer, you want the gear, but use what you have and still get it.
If you think think like a musician you don't.
If you think like an engineer, you want the gear, but use what you have and still get it.
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John Mayes
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I'm a engineer then! (Actually I know I'm not but that was a cool quote)
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Harvey Gerst
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Yeah, it's sweet, unless you happen to be (or think you are) a guitar player. Then you realize just how far you still hafta go. That's been the story of my life; I've hung around with some of the best guitar players on the planet (Clapton, Zappa, Albert King, Merle Travis, Rosmini, Rick Ruskin, etc.), all willing to show me anything I wanted to know. And it only made me realize just how much I would never be able to play.John Mayes said:
So mostly, I play guitar in private now, and I don't inflict myself on others, to everybody's relief. I still own 6 instruments (3 electrics, 2 acoustics, and a bass), but I now use them mainly as threats.
ausrock
Well-known member
QUOTE..............."So mostly, I play guitar in private now, and I don't inflict myself on others, to everybody's relief. I still own 6 instruments (3 electrics, 2 acoustics, and a bass), but I now use them mainly as threats."
Harvey that is classic............I probably own a few more (one I've had for 40 years) but I can soooo relate to your comment.
BTW............did you ever give the white Strat back or have you still got it stashed away somewhere.......
Harvey that is classic............I probably own a few more (one I've had for 40 years) but I can soooo relate to your comment.
BTW............did you ever give the white Strat back or have you still got it stashed away somewhere.......
junplugged
Taking the slow road
How much better were those strats anyway?