Mics I'm Totally Spoilt For Choice.

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ausrock said:
QUOTE..............."So mostly, I play guitar in private now, and I don't inflict myself on others, to everybody's relief. I still own 6 instruments (3 electrics, 2 acoustics, and a bass), but I now use them mainly as threats."

Harvey that is classic............I probably own a few more (one I've had for 40 years) but I can soooo relate to your comment.

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BTW............did you ever give the white Strat back or have you still got it stashed away somewhere....... ;) ;)
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I ran into Jimi at the Oakland airport a few months before he died. I had the Strat with me and gave it back to him. He seemed surprised that I was giving it back, but I didn't think anymore about it. I found out much later that Jimi was in the habit of giving away his guitars. This one was one of the four original Strats he bought at Burns of England. I didn't realize at the time he was giving it to me, not loaning it to me. One of the other Burns Strats was recently auctioned off for over $500,000.

So if any of you happen to think I'm smart, maybe this story will put things into proper perspective.
 
I think I'll remain wisely silent.....................LOL
 
You gave it back! No! That is an unbelievable story though...

If only you hadn't run in to him at the airport!

Ok...let's back up...you played guitar with Jimi Hendrix???!!! Jimi Hendrix gave you one of his guitars!!!
 
My jaw won't close...............(couldn't find an icon for "awe" either)
 
EleKtriKaz said:
You gave it back! No! That is an unbelievable story though...

If only you hadn't run in to him at the airport!

Ok...let's back up...you played guitar with Jimi Hendrix???!!! Jimi Hendrix gave you one of his guitars!!!
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Actually, it just gets worse. Not only did I play guitar with Jimi standing about as far away from me as you are from your monitor screen, but I had the gall to play the "Foxy Lady" chord in front of him - and I played it wrong!!!

Thinking about playing that chord in front of Jimi all these years later, I still feel stupid about it.

Somebody took a picture of me and Hendrix at the studio that day, and I had a blowup of that shot for a long time, but I gave it to one of my son's friends, then realized that I didn't take the picture, so somebody else has the negative. Still trying to find my son's friend so I can make a copy of it.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
Actually, it just gets worse. Not only did I play guitar with Jimi standing about as far away from me as you are from your monitor screen, but I had the gall to play the "Foxy Lady" chord in front of him - and I played it wrong!!!

Thinking about playing that chord in front of Jimi all these years later, I still feel stupid about it.

Somebody took a picture of me and Hendrix at the studio that day, and I had a blowup of that shot for a long time, but I gave it to one of my son's friends, then realized that I didn't take the picture, so somebody else has the negative. Still trying to find my son's friend so I can make a copy of it.
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I visited your site and noticed you've also worked with Smokin Joe Kubek - I've got a couple of his CDs - great work Harvey!
 
Phyl said:
I visited your site and noticed you've also worked with Smokin Joe Kubek - I've got a couple of his CDs - great work Harvey!
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I only worked with the drummer from Smokin' Joe's band.
 
Harvey Gerst said:
True story:
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Great story Harvey, I really enjoyed reading that... it put a smile on my face... and I understand what your saying... but like it or not, when your copying something (sound/tone/etc), using the same equipment helps... anyone who can't hear a difference between a Les Paul and Strat is deaf... lol. Anyways, thank you very much for sharing one of you Hindrix experiences stories... enjoyed that. :)
 
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John Mayes said:
I was just something he made up on spot. For sure more than I could play, but not phil keaggy hard. I could post two separate tracks for each guitar part if you would like to hear both takes. I would just have to bounce them down and upload them from protools.

And I'm not sure which ones I had. I got them from sweetwater about 2 months ago. Could have had them in stock for a while though and been the old ones.. I don't know. I do know I like the mics.
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Thanks John, but that's not necessary... I think you and eli did a great job on that Mayes/C4 sound clip... leave it the way it is. Yeah, I'm not sure which C4's you have either... I think only Brent Casey would know for sure.
 
alanhyatt said:
Harvey is dead on... You do not need a strat and then have to play it upside down, nor do you need a Marshall to gets sounds like Hendrix. I got sounds out of the old Schultz Rockman, a Vox Wah and a Les Paul that were dead on Jimi. Now I can do it with a POD and my old Hagstrom if I need to. Stevie Ray never played his strat upside down, nor did Eric Johnson unless I am blind. I have no clue where DJL gets this stuff from?

It is also not a TLA PA2 that is needed to get that acoustic clip sound. I can get that out of two VTB-1's, C4's, and a Joemeek stereo compressor. Don't need the TLA P2. Harvey can get that with his RNP and some other gear.

Now having John's guitars and the player to record with is a nice thing, but for me, decent gear, a good room and some placement time and we would nail it.
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Alan, I thought you were a player... you should know if someone wanted to copy a lick/tone made with a Strat... using a Strat will help with recreating/copying it. By-the-way if someone really wanted that Mayes/C4 sound clip tone they should talk to John about getting his help.

I'm still not sure why you didn't answer Vikki's question what were you using when asked... but at this point I don't think it really matters either... so please let's don't go on and on about it. Thanks :)
 
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DJL said:
Alan, I thought you were a player... you should know if someone wanted to copy a lick/tone made with a Strat... using a Strat will help with recreating/copying it. :)
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Maybe "you" need to have a Strat to make a guitar sound like a Strat in the studio. That is fine with me, but, if a player comes in with something other than a strat, what are you going to tell him when he wants you to create a Strat sound...Ummm, would you please go out and buy Jimi Hendrix's guitar and amp so I can make you sound like him?

I am a player DJL, and I know how to get multiple sounds out of my rig! Its called tone shaping. If I need more emulation, there are all kinds of emulators out there that do not need a specific brand to emulate another...

So yes, we disagree... :eek:
 
Alan, I do have a Strat and I also have a Gibson Marrauder with a single coil pickup. But I can't get that typical Strat sound out of the Gibson, whatever I try.

You have to admit that you can't get a Strat sound from a Les Paul.
 
Han said:
Alan, I do have a Strat and I also have a Gibson Marrauder with a single coil pickup. But I can't get that typical Strat sound out of the Gibson, whatever I try.

You have to admit that you can't get a Strat sound from a Les Paul.
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Sorry Han, you are wrong, and I admit that "you can" get most any sound of any guitar with a Pod, and EQ. Maybe you need some more lessons... :)

I tell you what, fly me in and I will show you how its done....
 
Argh! Strat "like". Les Paul "like". Marshall "like". Neumann "like". Amp "like". Emulate so it sounds "like". Analog "like" (a complete redunancy).

I don't think I "like" it.

It is what it is, it ain't what it ain't.
 
alanhyatt said:
Maybe "you" need to have a Strat to make a guitar sound like a Strat in the studio. That is fine with me, but, if a player comes in with something other than a strat, what are you going to tell him when he wants you to create a Strat sound...Ummm, would you please go out and buy Jimi Hendrix's guitar and amp so I can make you sound like him?

I am a player DJL, and I know how to get multiple sounds out of my rig! Its called tone shaping. If I need more emulation, there are all kinds of emulators out there that do not need a specific brand to emulate another...

So yes, we disagree... :eek:
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Sure there are emulations, although there's doubt about how well the emulation compares to the original. In any event, emulation is a parlor trick, and begs the question. But you're right in part, you don't always need the "same" equipment or the "same" musician to get the same sound. "Tone shaping" can work in some situations.

In the acoustic guitar world, things are a little more constrained. There's no way in hell that I can get my rosewood/alpine spruce OM to sound like my mahogany/Adirondack spuce OM. No way. And why would I even want to try, when both are equally available? By recording these guitars, I can begin to bring one sound towards the other, with different mics, pres, eq, etc. There's no way I can get one to sound exactly like the other. No way. Again, why would I want to?

DJL has an entirely valid point: using the same equipment, as a starting point, can't hurt. Indeed, it may be necessary.

This debate has assumed that it's either 100% one way (all things can be replaced/emulated) or 100% the other way (nothing can be replaced/emulated). Could the answer simply be that some things can and some things can't?
 
This whole discussion has raised some interesting points and has almost thrown down the gauntlet for a challenge. I may, if time allows over the next couple of weeks, do some recording to see how close different guitars can actually sound to each other..........and in the future, I may make clips available.

I will only use what my son and I have available, chosen from those in the pic and will make a point of documenting any relevant details.

As if I haven't got enough to do at the moment. :rolleyes:

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Oh yeah, throw in a good Enhancer as well as that really helps for guitars. Turned my Martin D28 into sounding just like an Ovation...

Yes, emulation is what it is, and not all of them are spot on, just like plug-in's, but they are getting better and some of them are dead on....
 
Alan,

If the Gods are willing and I can get time to do this I won't be using any emulation.........don't and won't own anything like that.

Path will be mic(s), S/craft console or maybe a pre direct into the recorder.....maybe digital or if things work out 16 trk 1" analogue then back through the console to my PC. I am interested in virtually unenhanced recordings of the various guitars.

I'll probably email you in the next 24 hours.

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Ausrock,

You may be doing a lot of work for nothing. Remember, my position is that you do not need a Strat to get a Strat sound. What you do need is other gear to make it sound that way. Pedals, EQ, Emulation, Enhancement and other tircks will do the job.

Plugging a Les Paul into a Fender Twin will not replicate a Strat. Add to that a bunch of stuff like the Amp Farm or other analog stuff, and you can sound just like it.

All I am saying here is DJL claimed to get a Strat sound, you need a Strat. I say, you do not need a Strat to get that sound. If it is there, great, if not, no problem. We have the tools to make it whatever it needs to be.

Remember, we pitch correct out of tune singers, so we can make a non Strat, sound like a Strat....

My opinion, but been there, done that! :D
 
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