Mic Preamp Dilemma... :(

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I've got a RODE NT1 but I'll be upgrading to the NTK soon but first I'm picking up a good vocal strip *mic pre amp*

what do yall suggest... I'm looking for a good vocal strip

dbx provocal
focusrite voicemaster
mindprint envoice

who do I go with or if you have a better suggestion drop it.

thanx yall.
 
Alright, this is you're lucky day, because I'm in a good mood, and I feel like helping out a newb in his preamp selection, because it is EXCITING! (I learned about the all-caps thing from another newb in a different post, so don't mind me).

First of all, what are you recording on to, and are you striving for a professional sound, or will this just be for enjoyment/hobby?
 
1) Alrighty, and will this be recorded on to your computer through a soundcard? Multitrack recorder? What's the recording device?

2) Are you recording one track at a time, or do you need to record several tracks simultaneously?
 
one track at a time

PC 768 megs of RAM
Celeron :( 800... I wanna upgrade but its fine for now
Window 98 SE
I use record through Cubase VST 5.0
Rode NT1 - soon to be NTK
Guillemot ISIS sound card
currently - soon to be changed ART TUBE PREAMP
Korg Triton
Yamaha Ry20
Yorkville YSM 1 Monitor's
Alesis Studio 32

:)

after the Preamp and NTK... I'll be looking to purchase a DAT machine.
 
amongst those you mentioned, check out the Joe Meek VC1Q......
 
Alesis 32? Damn, that's a lotta' mixer if all you're doing is recording a track at a time.

Alright, then. Here's my advice. Please follow each step in chronological order:

1) Sell the Alesis. If all you're doing is recording a track at a time, then you don't need the 32-channel mixer. My advice would be to sell it on ebay. You could probably get about $600-700 for it -- maybe more if it's fairly new and/or in good cond. You don't need lots of channels of "good." What you need is one "gold channel."

2) You mentioned you want a professional sound. Unfortunately, I don't think any of those units are going to quite get you there. The mindprint might come close, but will still fall short of that elusive "professional" sound.

3) Wait. I know it's hard, to do, but you must wait a few weeks for FMR audio to come out with the RNMP. There will most likely be a ton of reviews about it. Our very own Harvey Gerst will be putting it through a thorough test, so be sure to take his opinions seriously. If Harvey gives it the thumbs-up, then that is a very good sign. Read some other reviews and if they all seem to agree that it's a winner, then just buy it.

4) If reviews are somewhat lukewarm and divided on the rnmp, then consider these options. I've divided them in to two camps of "clean" and "colored" :

Clean:

* If you are after a very clear, accurate, and uncolored sound, then I would look at some of the models by Great River. This would probably be your best option if you have the cash.

If this is out of your price range, then just get a Grace Design 101 and be happy you saved some money and got a highly-respected pre.

Colored:

* If you are after a "colored" sound with an aggressive character, then look in to some of the Neve's. Do a search on this board for Neve and see what you come up with. If I'm not mistaken, there might be some single-channels for a reasonable price.

* If the Neves are out of your price range, or if you are just a tube freak and must have a tube preamp, then the Peavey VMP2 is probably your ticket.

* If you want to save even more money, and tubes aren't all that important to you . . . the Joemeek VC1Q is worth a look. If you want a clean sound, then just bypass the compressor. If you like the idea of in-your-face / aggressive - type sound, then dial in some of it's vintage compression, and listen to your vocals come to life.

5) Get a second opinion. I'm not experienced or knowlegable enough to tell you anything. Why did you even bother? ! :) :) :) Seriously, though, keep asking around. Read your reviews and do your research.
 
Gidge said:
amongst those you mentioned, check out the Joe Meek VC1Q......

Where did he mention the VC1Q? Or are we just thinking alike? This is getting creepy.
 
i've been learning alot on this site about recording (the finer points). I learned one thing a long time ago though...alot of getting a great sound is knowing your equipment very well....knowing where to place the mics...another words, the better engineer you are (if you have a good ear), the better your results are. Someone with a good ear that knows what the hell he's doing can get a better sounding recording on a 4-track casette recorder the a novice can on world class equipment. I still have a whole lot to learn...but to steal a beatles line "i've got to admit it's getting better"
peace
 
Man, I know the feeling! We are blessed to live in a time when there are so many choices and options. I remember not so long ago when you had to hire a studio just to record anything. Now, I've got a hundred tracks and automation in my computer--gee. Yet, if I have learned anything its is this--I have to get the quality on the front end. If it sounds great as its captured, its not gonna suck after that.

Thus, I too have been shopping the pre-amps. I have come to a limited decision. I know I want a Meek-something for coloration--guitars, bass and certain vocals. I also want something clean and pristine with incredible detail and no noise (as close as we can get in theory).

So, I can get the Meek now. I will wait for the reviews on the RNMP and the Studio Projects. If not that, I am considering a Grace or a DMP3 cause thats about as much as I can afford. I guess a studio is like owning a boat--you're always pouring money into it. Yet, maybe the end is in sight. Just a few more ...__________(fill in the blanks). I need to stop shopping and start making music pretty soon. Thats one thing I do know.

Oh yeah. I'm celebrating my elevated status to Junior Member today. "I'd like to thank the Academy..."
 
chess, i meant in addition to the ones he was looking at, check out the Joe Meek...but now i see he wants PRO quality......by the time he sees his budget he'll come down to demo quality.....

headed for ebay offyour list:

Rode NT1
Guillemot soundcard
Alesis Studio 32
Art Tube Mp

should be able to get $800 for the 4

get a Grace 101 preamp $559
get a RNC compressor $175
get a Lucid AD9624 AD converter $779
get a Lucid DA 9624 DA converter $649
get a Lucid Genx6 96 word clock generator $529
get a Lynx One soundcard $429
Rode NTK $500

considering the $800 from ebay sales, you only have to come up with $1820...this isnt including software/effects you may need....



or you can settle for demo quality/semi pro

Grace 101
rnc
lynx one
rode ntk

that will put you out about $863 if you get $800 from your sale.....this will put you pretty damn close to pro........

if you wanna budget even lower, go with a Delta Audiophile 2496 soundcard and save $270......
 
He did say he wanted to go a track-at-a-time, so the Audiophile is a definite possibility.

And remember, he was already looking at some stuff in the $500 range, so we'll assum he already has $500 now and $800 coming to him from ebay once he unloads some of his stuff.

Here's my dream set up, assuning I have approx. $1,300 to blow, and assuming I'm going one-track-at-a-time. I guess we'll also have to assume that we're going without drums, and all tracks will be dry. While we're at it, let's also assume that you've already got years of training and experience in audio engineering, a good brain, and a good ear for sound :

1) Delta Audiophile - $180 although I'm not sure if it has word clock i/o. If not, I'm sure there are models out there in this range that do.

2) Lucid Word Clock (48 khz) - $389.00

3) Behringer Composer - $100

4) RNMP??? (wild card) - $400

5) Marshall V67 / 2003 / SP C1 - $200 (give or take)

If Bob Dylan and Mutt Lange were stranded on a desert island with nothing but a guitar, a PC, a solar panel / power generator and the above-mentioned equipment, I would bet they could produce a very high-quality, professional master worthy of commercial release (I'm sure they could find some caves or whatnot with some killer natural verb :)
 
Depending on what the mythical RNMP is really like,I think an RNMP and a RNC would be a smokin' combo.It shouldn't be much longer now (yeah right),so if you hold off just a little bit you could check out the RNMP.With all the hype on it though,the first units might be hard to get hold of.But patience is a good thing or so everyone tells me.
 
lol

Yall been great help keep them coming! :)

unfortunately at this point in time I'm not looking to change my sound card and board.

and I would eventually use TUBE PACK to compress my kicks and snares signal going in. *GIDGE I don't have the TUBE MP*

I know I will be changing this Guillmot ISIS soon cuz its been nothing but problems... really unstable for whatever reason/

THANX FOR ALL YA HELP.
 
oh, "soon to be replaced Art Preamp"...i thought that meant you already had it and was about to replace it....
 
you were right the first time lol

the Tube MP and TUBE PACK are 2 different preamps

the PACK is better
 
Gidge said:
oh, ok ...im straight now......

Huh, were you gay before then? That does put your "AlanHyattFanClubPresident" in a different light... :D

Just kiddin'.
I'm definately gonna check out the Meek VC1Qcs too (VU!!! Show me the VU, I want the VU!)

cheerz
 
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