Schwarzenyaeger
Formerly "Dog-In-Door"
U sure its not the guitar? The clean guitar seems to be off. Mite be making rami sound outta tune
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RAMI
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Thanx man.
Yeah, I think it's pretty close to what they always do to Ozzy's voice. Doubling and lots of reverb/delay.
Thanx Ido. You see? Now THAT was helpful. I don't need to be told I'm awesome. But if people are going to be negative, a little help would be nice.
Shwarz, if you think I should re-sing it, I will. I have no ego when it comes to my vocals. If you think the vocals can be better, I'll gladly sing this again. Just let me know.
Didn't think of that. I wonder if maybe the ADT is making the vocals sound warbly to some people. Maybe put up a version of the dry vocal track, without the ADT, and see if that makes a difference.
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RAMI
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Hehe...I don't even spend this much time discussing my OWN tunes. I think I feel a responsibility to Shwarzie, since this is his project. That's why I'm being so adamant to get helpful opinions on the vocals. I don't want to feel like I'm letting him down. 
Schwarzenyaeger
Formerly "Dog-In-Door"
I'm in no fair state to judge ATM lol but I'll get back to you tomorrow. Stella Artois got me in tonigjt
Simman
Well-known member
First, I think this overall is not bad but there are problems. The intro guitar/effect(s) are off and sound out of tune which is sonically challenging for the vocals. Vocals are flat in spots throughout the song (e.g., 0.26, 1.19, 1.28, 1.4, 2.58, 3.40, etc.). In addition, the guitars IMO are a bit muddy and the piano in spots sound thin.
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RAMI
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Phew........OK thanx. I really appreciate that and I'll check all that out.
Simman
Well-known member
Dude, there's a lot of crap going on with Ozzy/effects and vocals that IMO actually accentuate any little thing that is not exactly on the mark. I'm sure they spend hours tweaking every little thing so your not that far off. I would say that I think the emotional push in your vocals could be a bit more but then again Ozzy has snorted ants on a dare.
Where do you stand on doing that....
Where do you stand on doing that....
FoulPhil
Well-known member
Yeah there was some parts that did sound off key or something. It just sounded weird. I don't think it was the accent so much as the timing and delivery. And I'm not trying to give you a hard time or tell you what to do. I'm just saying at times it's a bit unflattering.
On the other song it was on the money like you heard the song a million times and couldn't fuck it up if you tried. Which is why I suggested singing momma I'm coming home with ozzy as your guide 50 times hahahah.
dobro
Well-known member
I'm just reporting what I'm hearing. That's what I want when people listen to my stuff too. When people comment on my stuff, I consider it. If I think it might be valid, I put it to the test. If I think it isn't valid, I just ignore it. I don't even usually bother to tell the person that what they said wasn't useful for me. What's the point?
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RAMI
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You're right. I actually just finished editing my post. I was a little too aggressive.
But I stand by what I left in that post.
dobro
Well-known member
Stand by it or don't - it's okay with me cuz it's not my tune. But I'll tell you something and I'll ask you something, and then we can relax with each other again.
Two or three nights ago, I pulled up a song I did a few months ago so I could mix it. I played it back first time and the first thought that went through my mind was 'Everything makes it but the vocal. Do it again.' So I stopped mixing and put up the SM7b and quickly did three takes of the vocal and the third one was the best and I'm saving the other two in case I need to comp. But the tune sounds better for it.
Don't you want me to give your stuff the same assessment I give my own stuff?
ps I'll post the mix of the tune with the new vocal I did. When I do, I want you to say redo the vocal.
Two or three nights ago, I pulled up a song I did a few months ago so I could mix it. I played it back first time and the first thought that went through my mind was 'Everything makes it but the vocal. Do it again.' So I stopped mixing and put up the SM7b and quickly did three takes of the vocal and the third one was the best and I'm saving the other two in case I need to comp. But the tune sounds better for it.
Don't you want me to give your stuff the same assessment I give my own stuff?
ps I'll post the mix of the tune with the new vocal I did. When I do, I want you to say redo the vocal.
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RAMI
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You're missing the point, Dobro. Like I said, if you "assessed" an original of mine that way, I'd have no problem with it.Stand by it or don't - it's okay with me cuz it's not my tune. But I'll tell you something and I'll ask you something, and then we can relax with each other again.
Two or three nights ago, I pulled up a song I did a few months ago so I could mix it. I played it back first time and the first thought that went through my mind was 'Everything makes it but the vocal. Do it again.' So I stopped mixing and put up the SM7b and quickly did three takes of the vocal and the third one was the best and I'm saving the other two in case I need to comp. But the tune sounds better for it.
Don't you want me to give your stuff the same assessment I give my own stuff?
ps I'll post the mix of the tune with the new vocal I did. When I do, I want you to say redo the vocal.
But what happened with this tune, and my reaction to it, is a carry over from what happened to the Stones cover I posted. You were pretty much "scolding" me and giving me "Come on man!" and "What the hell were you thinking?!?!?" about things that were exactly like the original.
That's why I asked if you heard the original for this tune, too. You're allowed to not like something, and you're even entitled to say "I never heard the original, but I don't like that guitar sound, or that vocal delivery", etc..... But when you come in with a very direct and decisive "Come on man! What were you thinking with that piano sound!?!!?" or "The vocals NEED to be re-done", like it's fact rather than opinion, I think having a reference first would make more sense. That's why I had to ask if you ever heard the original, even though I already knew the answer.
So, like I said, I can handle opinions. But if you're going to come in with STRONG, negative statements, you should take the time to listen to the original first. If that's so hard to understand, then we're just not on the same page when it comes to that.
P.S. I like you and like your music. You posted a tune a few months ago that's still one of my favorite tunes from anyone on this site.
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rpm61
Person of interest
Hey guys, nice work! The instrument sounds are on the money, nice guitar work Schwarz~! I liked Rami's vocal, I think there was one phrasing point for me but wtf, it was a good Ozzy take. I would have liked more presence in the bass, but more than that I felt the cymbals were often lost. I can't tell if it was an EQ thing or maybe just the levels of the guitars and vocal outmatching the bass and cymbals. I also wanted to hear the piano better in the pre-lead section at 2:12. It has a great feel to it and I thought you got the effects just right all around, metal horns up!
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RAMI
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Thanx guys.
Just FYI, I'm in the middle of re-recording the vocal. I scrapped the old track and re-doing it.
So, I appreciate everyone's input as far as my part is concerned. I think Shwarz did a great job on the music, but I could have given him a better vocal track. Hopefully, this time I will.
Just FYI, I'm in the middle of re-recording the vocal. I scrapped the old track and re-doing it.
So, I appreciate everyone's input as far as my part is concerned. I think Shwarz did a great job on the music, but I could have given him a better vocal track. Hopefully, this time I will.
Schwarzenyaeger
Formerly "Dog-In-Door"
And I just finished the new guitars.
Obi-Wan zenabI
Active member
Looking forward to hearing the new guitar. Original was out of tune on one of the repeating low notes. I'm surprised others didn't hear it. I liked the vocals well enough, though -- they weren't too pitchy for the style.
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RAMI
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I thought so, too. Others disagreed, which made me try it again. That's not a bad thing.
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Schwarzenyaeger
Formerly "Dog-In-Door"
New version is live.
Simman
Well-known member
Found this - From Mr Michael Wagener himself:
"On what is left of my stuff on Ozzmosis and various reissues I used a late 70s Neumann U87, a John Hardy M1 mic pre and a Summit Tube compressor. Reverb was the 480L on a large hall setting.
Ozzy doubles each line he sings right away, he sings it until we like it, then doubles it once, that is his sound, no chorus or effects used (I only use hardware plug-ins at WireWorld )
For "Live And Loud" I used 6 different harmonizer channels (2x 910, 2x AMS, 2x 949) on his vocals to get close to his sound, but I feel it never really got there."
"On what is left of my stuff on Ozzmosis and various reissues I used a late 70s Neumann U87, a John Hardy M1 mic pre and a Summit Tube compressor. Reverb was the 480L on a large hall setting.
Ozzy doubles each line he sings right away, he sings it until we like it, then doubles it once, that is his sound, no chorus or effects used (I only use hardware plug-ins at WireWorld )
For "Live And Loud" I used 6 different harmonizer channels (2x 910, 2x AMS, 2x 949) on his vocals to get close to his sound, but I feel it never really got there."
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RAMI
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Wow! Interesting. I knew his voice was always doubled, but I didn't know he sang it twice. I though for sure they did that after he left the studio. Cool, thanx.