Made in America?

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I work for a printing company, in China they can print for only a little more money money than the paper costs us...and we have to pay for wages, inks, rates, heat and light on top of that. If you are buying enough product than the extra cost of moving stuff from Beijing to London rather than from London to Manchester is actually pretty much irrelevant.
 
hey speeddemon, what does our country actually contribute to the pro-audiomarket?

Philips..?
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I hope that this thread wasn't taken out of context. I didn't mean to step on anybodys toes or cause a riff.

What I know is this: There are lots of jobs leaving this country because the manufacturers can get it made cheaper overseas. Not that the quality is any better here or there its just less expensive to manufacturer. I know ALOT of tech support guys have lost their jobs to India because they are willing to do the same job for less money.

I'm not dickin' any product or the country in which it was made. I just made a decision to purchase American products. I'm tired of my friends begin laid off and hearing guys ON THIS BOARD being laid off because our economy is in the shitter. Will it help? Probably not. But at least I'll know I tried.

Nuff Said
Dennis
 
rustyfingers said:
I just made a decision to purchase American products.

This isn't an American-only forum though. If your "just buying American" convinces several non-Americans not to buy American, you've actually ended up hurting the U.S. economy.
 
rustyfingers said:
OK, good shot. I'll widen my scope a bit and say "No more overseas stuff." Why?

I want:
Yorkville monitors
Seagull guitar

"Most Americans wish they were Canadian"

NOT THIS AMERICAN.
 
I'm buying from whoever makes the best and makes it to last the longest. :)
 
Re: Re: not really sure it would help that much

c7sus said:
Do you honestly believe all the manufacturing facilities were set up in SE Asia for 4 cents on the dollar?

You are talking out your ass.

"The rest supports the US economy."

Stupidest comment I have ever read in my life.

Listen to something besides Rush and Ollie North.


actually i dont really get my info from rush or ollie north.

speaking of china a great deal of the manufacturing facilities were set up under the strictly communist govt, and have been retrofitted mostly with party dollars. when US companies have their products manufactured in china the money gets tied into an incredibly complex system that defies any sort of analysis. certainly doesnt end up in many workers hands though.

as for the rest of SE asia, the start up costs for the manufacturing facilities were relatively low, but you are right, perhaps my estimate was off in that it didnt take this into account. but it really doesnt represent very much money. maybe a few more cents on the dollar.

i think the larger problem is that the money that is being aquired by US corporations that have overseas manufacturing facilities is going to a relatively small number of people who live in, say beavertown OR (as well as rich shareholders) as opposed to being dispersed more equally by supporting the US manufacturing sector as well as the corporate sector. it is not that our money is being sent overseas. it is being sent to rich people.

in my view the best advice for a consumer is to try to buy all new products from local companies, who manufacture their goods locally. and try to cut out as many middle men as possible. if you can buy your clothing from the person who sewed it, you are doing a great service to economic health (in terms supporting fair wages and good work conditions). so dont buy from OLD NAVY.

otherwise buy your products on the used market. great for the environment as well as the economy. ($15 vintage shirt money generally goes straight to the person who hunted it down and sold it to you, if it was headed for the landfill you can say that the manufacturing costs to the environment for the shirt is negative)

as for music gear... most of it is tied to the world market. your money will end up in dirty hands. buy used. or how about making your own gear? or buy from people like say.
http://www.seventhcirclestudios.com/N72/N72
designed and built by hand in US all by the same person. you give him $800 for his preamp and he personally walks away with most of the money ($200 or so in parts cost)

god, and never buy a new diamond that passed through antwerp unless you know what "do you want short sleve or long sleve" means to someone who lives near the diamond mines of sierra leone.
 
Where do YOU draw the line???

god, and never buy a new diamond that passed through antwerp unless you know what "do you want short sleve or long sleve" means to someone who lives near the diamond mines of sierra leone.

Shall we discuss tube manufacture instead?

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

"I should have been a plumber."
-Albert Einstein-
 
drawing the line

well, always hard to draw the line, but, just because your choices are to some degree arbitrary does not mean you shouldn't do it. not drawing ANY lines is far worse. conflict diamonds fall in the dont buy category by almost any standard.

and yea, tube manufacture is pretty nasty business. i live in the SF bay area where our ground water is poisoned by the TCE and TCA that GE used to make the tubes that i currently use. i dont buy the new eastern european stuff (but really cause i dont like how they sound). i can only assume they are using the same solvents.
 
well, always hard to draw the line, but, just because your choices are to some degree arbitrary does not mean you shouldn't do it. not drawing ANY lines is far worse. conflict diamonds fall in the dont buy category by almost any standard.

Agreed.

and yea, tube manufacture is pretty nasty business. i live in the SF bay area where our ground water is poisoned by the TCE and TCA that GE used to make the tubes that i currently use. i dont buy the new eastern european stuff (but really cause i dont like how they sound). i can only assume they are using the same solvents.

It's not like I really know what to do about it either. I love tubes, but people literally die for those little glowy things, just like diamonds.
 
Tom Cram said:
It's not like I really know what to do about it either. I love tubes, but people literally die for those little glowy things, just like diamonds.

glad we are on the same page about this...
 
eeldip said :"i think the larger problem is that the money that is being aquired by US corporations that have overseas manufacturing facilities is going to a relatively small number of people who live in, say beavertown OR (as well as rich shareholders) as opposed to being dispersed more equally by supporting the US manufacturing sector as well as the corporate sector. it is not that our money is being sent overseas. it is being sent to rich people."

You hit it right on the head, The company i work for just bought 4
machines from a large metalformer in utah...all those workers will
find out this week they are losing there jobs, guess where the rest of the machines are going?....yep china..so the owners will make more profit but the workers who had nice paying jobs will be out of work......Bostonfan2
 
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