Just got my C3...

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I too am suspicious whenever someone posts a long piece on (Studio Projects, Rode, Behringer, Mackie, Line6) basically any of the hotly contended homerecording.com pieces, when that person is a newbie. I think the best thing to do as a newbie is to keep a fairly low profile and try to offer advice and help that doesn't sound like sales literature. At the same time, I remember getting flamed on my first few posts, and it sucked, so I feel for you.

As for the doubters like Cyan and myself, that's why we can tell how many posts a person has. Like feedback on eBay, it allows us to attach an instant credibility factor to a post. I think the only "newbie" post I ever saw that instantly struck me as "wisdom" was from Mark H. Some people out there are wise, and it comes across. Then there are the fools like myself who rant about anything that comes to mind.
 
spectoar said:
(I use a vs2480 and love it by the way).
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AIEEE! He's a Roland plant. ;)

Ditto RE. We don't know this person from Adam. Thus, there is no reason to jump down his throat so quickly. Then again, Cyan did remind us to keep in mind that he could be a spammer.


Matt
 
spectoar.. your situation hasn't changed.. you're still sitting with a new microphone to check out. it might sound good/bad/what/ever to you.. well.. obviously.. And there's plenty of folks around here who'll be interested in hearing about it.

Alan has been around here for a pretty long time now giving support to customers, bating new customers, helped people with questions NOT related to his products and so on.. Here's where the opinions part. Some claim Alan's only here to get free advertisement for his products, some claim he's here for giving support to his customers and replying to a variety of questions. Then there are those who couldn't give a f--k...
You got that little "war" right in your face without asking for it.. Alan and his mics are a hot potatoes... ;)

Please stick around and ask/answer questions around here. After a while you'll feel comfortable :) There's a ton of good people and there's tons to learn.

So, for me, you're a studio/store owner who's just into reading/sharing experiences. Time will tell if I think you're an asshole or not ;)

Welcome on board.
 
Thanks charger, That makes sense. I must admit to being a bit taken aback by all this and as a 'newbie' it's probably a good idea to lay low, and I will. To prove I'm no secret agent man I will only post my c3 results if I think I got duped into buying a piece of shit, otherwise I'll let other folks wait for the mag reviews. What does 'getting flamed' mean? does it have any consequences? Is that what the little burning letter is all about and is there a place that explains the rules? I'm sure there is I just haven't looked. Jeez, I was all excited earlier, now I just feel trepidatious.
 
Thanks Meshugga, I'm off now for a mixing session and then to check out this hot potato
 
Ommmmmmm....

Spectoar (if that is your real name:D) Rub the magic search engine and all will be revealed to you...

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Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
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tcram@dbxpro.com

"Jazz, pfffft...They just make it up as they go along."
-Homer Simpson-
 
Hey Spec..

You didn't waste your money...I'd love to hear what you think about the mic, after you have used it a couple of times...also let us know what your chain consists of. I bought a C-1 a month, or so ago, and its been a good buy. To many Alan may be considered a spammer, but he does offer some good insight. Like you said, always take everything with a grain of salt.
 
Man I think everyones just a tad bit paranoid.First off I know spctoar and he is no way a spam man planted by Alan or anyone else.you guys are being like cokeheads who peer out their windows all nite looking for cops-but you guys are looking for...Spam Man!1Enemy of the people and free enterprise.Eaters of children and rapist of pets,paid six figure salaries by companys to promote their useless products at the expense of naive and innocent members of recording forums everywhere.

The fact is Spectoar is not spamming for Alan or anyone else,and that fact leads me to believe any other posters that you thought were spamming were actually not,they were most likely just folks trying to give their opinions only to get shot down by the great unwashed in their infinate wisdom.

Now you might not think that its a big deal but here is a man who was excited (and rightfully so)with getting a nice new mic and he offered to share his experience with the mic and you pissed all over his parade to the point where he is actually doubting his purchase.I bet you get your jolies during the holidays by telling 4 year olds that ther is no Santa.


I hear a lot a bullshit about Alan but I notice its the same people constantly bitching and accusing him of spamming,well I think Alan is surprisingly evenhanded for the most part,if he is prejuduced well,duh..if any of you guys ever built and sold a product you believed in you would probably be prejuduced too.If you are parents you must think your kids are the cutest(actually my granddaughter is the cutest!),its the same principle.


What we should try to remember is that there are living breathing human beings behind all these post who deserve the same amount of respect that you would accord any other person you have contact with in your daily life.Access to the web is not a license to be a dick to anyone.
 
Whoa Randy, Hold on here a minute. You've only got 91 posts, you might be in on it too!:D :D :D

Spector, Don't worry about layin' low. Your a newbie so what, Everyone here was a newbie at one time. Ask away, Talk about your new mic, Ignore the witch hunt, and enjoy yourself.

P. Taylor
 
charger said:
I too am suspicious whenever someone posts a long piece on (Studio Projects, Rode, Behringer, Mackie, Line6) basically any of the hotly contended homerecording.com pieces, when that person is a newbie. I think the best thing to do as a newbie is to keep a fairly low profile and try to offer advice and help that doesn't sound like sales literature. At the same time, I remember getting flamed on my first few posts, and it sucked, so I feel for you.
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the problem with that is...how are "newbies" supposed to get the information of lying low when they are infact "newbies." i think it sucks that someone automatically assumed something and full on attacked him.

besides that, he didn't post a long piece on the mic. just a coulpe of quick lines.

spectoar, don't let it get you down. i like the fact that people can DEBATE their opions here, and if people don't agree on a product then that's cool. debate the issue, don't attack people over it.
 
btw,
harvey recommended the behringer ecm8000 to everyone...does that mean he's spamming too? :)


remember, not everyone is "tha debil!"
 
Hello...

>how are "newbies" supposed to get the information of lying low when they are infact "newbies."<

I say AGAIN, Search function. Use the Search Luke. Search and ye shall find. Go Search and be a newbie no more. Search and destroy. Searchio Mendez.

Tom Cram
dbx Senior Technical Support
(801) 568-7530
tcram@dbxpro.com

"Jazz, pfffft...They just make it up as they go along."
-Homer Simpson-
 
Your right Randy!

Hey, if the C-3 is anyhting like the C-1 (and I know its better) then you can't go wrong with the purchase. The problem today, there are so many choices, at any price point, so most of us turn to our peers for advice. Like kids in the candy store, I like gums drops and you like Hersey Kisses! Chances are spectoar, you'll be going back to the store, very soon, to buy more candy. Hey, I'm looking for another mic as we speak...as the pros say...you can never have enough!
 
I totally understand skepticism regarding a newbies intentions when someone arrives at the bbs and starts posting positive comments regarding studio projects mics.It's actually sad because we all like to have unbiased opinions on products that are used in real world situations and with that we can decide whether or not it's right for our particular recording situations.Whether Alan realizes it or not he has tarnished the ability of real world users of his products from being able to post positive comments on this site regarding his products without harsh criticism.Ditto,Spectoar.Regardless,cha ching,cha ching, cha ching money in the bank.As long as the C-1 is continually circulating amongst the top of this mic forum good or bad Alan's going to the bank.Is that wrong?hell no remember he's first a business man who want's your money,but obviously his opinions and postings regarding his products are not unbiased and therefore irks alot of bbs. members regarding his marketing strategies .I have not had the opportunity to demo any of his products But I'm sure I will someday soon.It kills me to hear people buying based solely upon hearsay,hence ecm8000's.Harvey posted a thread regarding the ecm's and a steal of a deal.Now everybody recommends them but until I can hear them for myself I'm not going to buy based upon someone's findings.Harvey, no disrespect you have brought an immense amount of knowledge to this site and we thankyou.Alan has a thorough knowledge regarding his products and that's alway's an asset but If his products are so superior let the products do the talking and refrain from posting replies regarding his products unless they are of a technical nature.It's a knife and sword situation we got here and the last thing we want to do is run people away who have questions,answers and of course knowledgable advice.
 
I am in CAD sales and often do what Alan does- Participate in discussions with other people who have an interest in the same thing.

I would love if all the companies' reps were as active as him. If somebody believes in their product they are not afraid to reccomend it. When I sell products I dont like I sure dont put my real name out on the internet promoting it. But I will if I truly believe in my product.

The guy is just making a living and participating in an open discussion. It's not that big of a deal.
 
I understand Tex, I really truly believe Alan not only believes in his products and he's certainly ready to recommend it but remember this is bbs.I'm not at guitar centers and I'm not shopping for a sales pitch.If I have a technical question regarding a microphone I'd surely like Alan to post a response.But otherwise, we see this everyday" which mic should I buy C-1 or NT1000,etc." Let the real world users recommend it, I can guarantee sales have gone up since his arrival.That's great! good for Alan.But let's remember will you enjoy posting on this site if every major manufacturer has a rep posting here recommending there products left and right.Not me, if I want that I can drive 2 miles to GC.
 
Originally posted by harley96 It kills me to hear people buying based solely upon hearsay,hence ecm8000's. Harvey posted a thread regarding the ecm's and a steal of a deal.Now everybody recommends them but until I can hear them for myself I'm not going to buy based upon someone's findings. Harvey, no disrespect you have brought an immense amount of knowledge to this site and we thankyou.

It's a knife and sword situation we got here and the last thing we want to do is run people away who have questions,answers and of course knowledgable advice.
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So, how do we resolve this? Who should you believe? Who should you trust, if you don't have the ability to audition some of these new toys? What makes one person's opinion valuable and another's suspect?

I think motive, experience, and the ability to prove what you say are important factors, but how does a person establish that degree of trust on the internet? I can point to my years of recording experience, my lack of ties to any company (especially Behringer), and the fact that I run a studio, not a store to help verify my credibility. Is that enough? I really don't know.

I think in the end, it's about establishing a reputation for honesty and how much you really contribute. I'm still not 100% sure how to do that.

I know that at 65, I won't get involved in stupid arguments (like I used to) - it's just not worth my time and energy. IF someone chooses to question something I say, I'll point out factually if they're wrong. IF they want a fight, I'll simply advise them of their right to believe whatever they want to believe.

I'm here for one main reason: to help pay back all the people who helped me when I first started out. The other reason I'm here is that I'm appalled by all the misinformation out there, much of it just for the sole purpose of trying to make a particular product look a little better.

Take this whole post for whatever it's worth to you. I'll just keep on keeping on.
 
spectoar, there are no consequences to getting "flamed" besides injured pride.

I don't own any StudioProjects gear, but from the sound samples I've heard, those are nice mics. However, there is a lot of competition in the sub-$500 range for good large diaphragm condensor mics, and you will see that peopel differ wildly on their opinions of all the mics in this range.

I do own a Joemeek preamp (also made by PMI Audio), and I've used Alan Hyatt's advice to get a great sound out of it. I don't think he's a bullshit artist or a spammer, but he does have a lot of pride in SP, and sometimes that translates into him pointing what he perceives as the weaknesses of the competition. I do the same thing all the time, but I don't work for any audio company.

The little burning envelope just means your topic is "hot."
 
Harvey Gerst said:
I'm here for one main reason: to help pay back all the people who helped me when I first started out. The other reason I'm here is that I'm appalled by all the misinformation out there, much of it just for the sole purpose of trying to make a particular product look a little better.

Take this whole post for whatever it's worth to you. I'll just keep on keeping on.
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Hooray for that! :)
 
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