Just curious as to why still analog??

[Dr ZEE]

What in the world are you talking about? You rample on meaninglessly in all of your posts. Are you from another country or what?

YOU are the one with a superior attitude. That IS how we got here. You really should *comprehend* what I said in many of the posts and not just scan for things you take offense to.

I knew, that presumption of broad ignorance and/or incompetence of an opponent is very bad practice when holding a conversation or getting involved in an argument, because it always backfires on you at the end, (not to mention ethical aspects of such practice. But who cares about ethics anyway , right?). Well, I've just realised that presumption of broad intellect and competence can be and appearantly is very bad practice as well. Thanks allot, man, for the lesson. The world is wonderfull - you just never know when and where from a new revelation may come.

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btw, I AM from another country.... My personal problem, (which causes me no internal problems at all, but rather generates load of external ones on a daily base, which I've learned to deal with), IS that the Country, the soil of which was Enriched with and by my Father's bones is the One I Reject the most. So where ever I am at any moment in time - I always AM will be from another country.

so?

well,

/be well

 

[acorec]

I knew, that presumption of broad ignorance and/or incompetence of an opponent is very bad practice when holding a conversation or getting involved in an argument, because it always backfires on you at the end, (not to mention ethical aspects of such practice. But who cares about ethics anyway , right?). Well, I've just realised that presumption of broad intellect and competence can be and appearantly is very bad practice as well. Thanks allot, man, for the lesson. The world is wonderfull - you just never know when and where from a new revelation may come.

*******
btw, I AM from another country.... My personal problem, (which causes me no internal problems at all, but rather generates load of external ones on a daily base, which I've learned to deal with), IS that the Country, the soil of which was Enriched with and by my Father's bones is the One I Reject the most. So where ever I am at any moment in time - I always AM will be from another country.

so?

well,

/be well

I am just really trying to understand if this is a language thing or not. I read your posts and I can't figure out what you are trying to say. You make sense sometimes, and other times you lose it. If it is a language thing, then you don't know that you make mistakes and have trouble expressing yourself. I am not insulting you at all and if I seem to be, sorry dude.

 

[regebro]

When I think of someone being suitably fuzzy they are usually saying something like, “Don’t you get it?” or “If you don’t know I’m not going to tell you.” People say stuff like that to talk down to others and make one think they are missing something obvious. It’s a social intimidation tactic when the force of an argument alone is weak.

You should read some post-modernists. Especially Jaqcues Lacan.

But yes, sometimes it's an effort to talk down, you are right. And sometimes people are fuzzy becuase they actually have nothing to say (like Lacan). i'm sure there are more reasons.

Amd i'm not saying dr ZEEs fuzzyness is a tactic. I'm just saying that much of the insight you find in his writings is becuase you put it there to sharpen up his fuzziness. It can equally be interpreted in the opposite way.

 

[acorec]

You have no point. That is unless dodging and innuendo constitute an argument.

You're just trolling now or you have poor comprehension and retention of what you read.

Putting words in people's mouths is one of the lowest tricks ever devised. It is just barely above a practice in the cave where a person’s quote is actually altered in the reply.

It happens too often to think it's not intentional on your part.

I've learned not to believe what acorec says someone has said. I go to the original quote to see what the person actually said.

If you can’t present an argument that will stand up to what someone has actually stated, you make up an easier argument to contest and then claim that is their argument. Well, you can’t lose that way, can you? But people here can't be patronized as easily as you assume.

I have presented many arguments. I also have helped many people right here fix their decks and 2 posters have already calibretad their Fostex 16 tracks to run GP9 tape. You spewed what you have read about this. They both sent me an E-mail thanking me profusely. They can now run the deck with no dolby and get virtually no hiss. I did it a long time ago and I KNOW how and I have used GP9 for years and my heads are great. You kept parroting the same old tired info you read somewhere.

Got another chicklet from a guy who had his heads cheacked. They needed re-lapping. You and some others seem to be hung up on head cleaning and de-mag over and over and over till you think its gonna work.

Great advice.




So, I speak from my experience and whatever you think that is, I really don't care. I help plenty of people and when I know something, I share it. When I don't. I simply don't post a word.

 

[Dr ZEE]

I will even say that most everyone here would be A-students in any recording class for their interest and involvement in the subject.

Potentially, - YES.
But it will also heavily depend on whether the professor sees the classroom as a an exiting pool of curious minds to encourage and to humbly guide or, as opposite , sees it as public arena for demonstration of his/her own academic achievements.

One professor is a teacher, the other one is?.... hmmmmm. could be A Salesman? Well, could be... After all we all do sell something, don't we?

 

[cjacek]

Dr ZEE is a cool cat who speaks in parables with his own unique adornment of our rather drab English language. I read Dr ZEE’s poetic convolutions as works of art, but I’m an artist first and an engineer second. They are unusually intricate, but often show depth and insight beyond what many are accustomed to in a technical dialog.

Amen to that!

 

[cjacek]

Or, by being suitably fuzzy, he forces you to interpret everything he say and fill in the blanks. So the insight you find are what you find in the infilled blanks. It's YOUR insight, not Dr ZEEs.

All the best stories leave something to the imagination or interpretation.

 

[Dr ZEE]

You make sense sometimes, and other times you lose it.

No, man, really what's happening is: sometimes it makes sense to YOU, and sometimes YOU lose it.
Not my fault. Blaming language never helps either, really...

I am not insulting you at all and if I seem to be, sorry dude.

Don't waste time, "sorry-ing around". You can't insult me even if you wish. This is b-board. We are real people, yet... we are user-IDs, nothing more to it, really.
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btw, I DO know, that there's no such word "sorry-ing". I've made it up. Common practice for me.

 

[cjacek]

Plus, It is a test of your intentions. If you dismiss his writings off hand and don't put any effort into understanding you will miss what he is saying.

This tells us that you are not interested in hearing what others have to say and learning from it where you can but rather your interest is in telling others what and how it is....

Regards

Plus it speaks more of the person who ridicules such writing than anything else.

 

[cjacek]

I am just really trying to understand if this is a language thing or not. I read your posts and I can't figure out what you are trying to say. You make sense sometimes, and other times you lose it. If it is a language thing, then you don't know that you make mistakes and have trouble expressing yourself. I am not insulting you at all and if I seem to be, sorry dude.

I feel that is the way Dr. Zee expresses himself. Granted the writing style is different but nevertheless refreshing and insightful with lots of "goodies" strategically planted throughout .

 

[cjacek]

I want one of those bumper stickers/magnets!!

They still have some left for the asking.

 

[regebro]

All the best stories leave something to the imagination or interpretation.

Stories, yes.

I'm happy to leave the fiction up to you guys.

 

[cjacek]

Stories, yes.

I'm happy to leave the fiction up to you guys.

Hey, no fair .. You took advantage of a much too easy opening ...

 

[DamnYankee]

Well, I do know more than most of the people in this thread. Thats not a superiority complex, thats a fact. As an electronical (both digital and analog) engineer with an interest in sound, I have been studuying this on my free for twenty years now. SOME snippets of information and insight has stayed with me you know.

Well, it's nice to meet a Know-It-All...especially an arrogant one.

Having graduated with a physics degree and now in my mid-40s, I don't open my mouth unless I know what I'm talking about. With that said, my statements stand.

By the way, since you say you've never heard about phase angle distortion, I suggest you read some articles from your Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers journals - you'll learn all about it. Then come and we'll chat.

*tips hat*

DY

 

[DamnYankee]

By the way...

I did the digital vs analog test with a class A album stamping of Damn Yankees vs the CD version.

Equipment used:

1. old crappy Pioneer turntable (by no means a Linn)
2. McIntosh MCD 7007

Both were ran thru my McIntosh MX110 tube preamp and McIntosh MA230 tube power amp and out thru my McIntosh XR-19 4 way drivers.

Flipping between Phono & Aux (CD) while the same song at the same spot was playing, my tin-ear wife commented, "WOW!" on the night and day sound difference: the album's cymbals sounded lifelike while the CD's cymbals sounded like dark, cold brass. The bass from the album literally shook the floor and rattled the windows while the CD's bass was no where near as powerful or punchy.

If you don't have a first class audiophile rig, then I invite you to go to your local audiophile shop armed with your favorite CD and identical album and have a listen - and then come back and we'll chat.

 

[Dr ZEE]

Well, it's nice to meet a Know-It-All...

Or you could say: "WOW! Nice Hat, dude!"
*****

Saying in public things like : "I know more than... yada yada ", ...or "Do you know who I am !??... yaday yada..." etc... is pretty much the same as putting on a Joker Hat. Those hats are easy to put on and very hard to take off... One of those also may get stuck on your head permanently... owch!

Some people wear those with the same pride as if they were crowns. But they are what they are:

 

[Beck]

I have presented many arguments. I also have helped many people right here fix their decks and 2 posters have already calibretad their Fostex 16 tracks to run GP9 tape. You spewed what you have read about this. They both sent me an E-mail thanking me profusely. They can now run the deck with no dolby and get virtually no hiss. I did it a long time ago and I KNOW how and I have used GP9 for years and my heads are great. You kept parroting the same old tired info you read somewhere.

Got another chicklet from a guy who had his heads cheacked. They needed re-lapping. You and some others seem to be hung up on head cleaning and de-mag over and over and over till you think its gonna work.

Great advice.

So, I speak from my experience and whatever you think that is, I really don't care. I help plenty of people and when I know something, I share it. When I don't. I simply don't post a word.

I rest my case. Don't believe what acorec says someone else said. First of all, cleaning and demag are the first thing any experienced pro does as a first step. The new open reel owners that come here often don’t know the first thing about maintenance. However, I've been posting links to ATR and JRF as relapping sources since I joined this board.

Spewing what I’ve read, really? I setup up both my Tascam TSR-8 and 22-2 for GP-9 some years ago and they did work great. In fact, somewhere on this forum is my glowing review of GP-9 as the best tape every made. A service bulletin from Tascam concerning head wear and the higher cost prompted me to set things back to 456 and 407 respectively. Your buddy Eddie Ciletti flatly recommends against the hotter tape formulas like GP-9 for narrow formats like the E-16. By the way I’m surprised you even wanted to help this fellow with what you describe as a narrow-track toy.

Maybe when you don't think you know something you don't post a word, but when you think you know something whether you do or not there's no stopping you. You speak as an outsider who has a limited classroom introductory grasp of a very complex industry.

Because you present yourself as an expert in the field, often when I read your posts on various topics my only question is “How can he not know this?”

Whatever you may contribute it’s hard to get past your 2-inch analog snobbery, which in my book is amateurish. “Me thinks you protest too much.” Maybe you own an MCI and maybe you don’t. You may have an inaccurate perception of this forum because it is titled “Home Recording” and “Analog Only.” You may think all you have to do is hang out at Expert Forums and Pro Sound and then come over here with what you’ve learned to set us straight, I don’t know. The reality is the talent and knowledge represented here took decades of doing what can’t be learned in a book or on a website.

Maybe I’m out of line in asking people to be who they really are here in cyber space. I know a lot of people are out here to pretend to be something else. Maybe I ask too much.

The people who I trust and get along with here are those who appear to be who they say they are, regardless of their technical level. When they don’t know something they say they don’t know. They have more integrity and credibility than anyone who “knows it all.”

 

[Beck]

Potentially, - YES.
But it will also heavily depend on whether the professor sees the classroom as a an exiting pool of curious minds to encourage and to humbly guide or, as opposite , sees it as public arena for demonstration of his/her own academic achievements.

One professor is a teacher, the other one is?.... hmmmmm. could be A Salesman? Well, could be... After all we all do sell something, don't we?

Bravo, Dr. ZEE. You are right. I've sat under both types of professors.

 

[Beck]

Or you could say: "WOW! Nice Hat, dude!"
*****

Saying in public things like : "I know more than... yada yada ", ...or "Do you know who I am !??... yaday yada..." etc... is pretty much the same as putting on a Joker Hat. Those hats are easy to put on and very hard to take off... One of those also may get stuck on your head permanently... owch!

Some people wear those with the same pride as if they were crowns. But they are what they are:

like I said, poetry.

 

[DamnYankee]

Very true...

However, if you asked my wife, she'll tell ya that I wear the Joker Hat ALL the time *haha* (her opinion tho, not mine!).

Or you could say: "WOW! Nice Hat, dude!"
*****

Saying in public things like : "I know more than... yada yada ", ...or "Do you know who I am !??... yaday yada..." etc... is pretty much the same as putting on a Joker Hat. Those hats are easy to put on and very hard to take off... One of those also may get stuck on your head permanently... owch!

Some people wear those with the same pride as if they were crowns. But they are what they are: