Just curious as to why still analog??

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DamnYankee said:
By the way...

I did the digital vs analog test with a class A album stamping of Damn Yankees vs the CD version.

Equipment used:

1. old crappy Pioneer turntable (by no means a Linn)
2. McIntosh MCD 7007

Both were ran thru my McIntosh MX110 tube preamp and McIntosh MA230 tube power amp and out thru my McIntosh XR-19 4 way drivers.

Flipping between Phono & Aux (CD) while the same song at the same spot was playing, my tin-ear wife commented, "WOW!" on the night and day sound difference: the album's cymbals sounded lifelike while the CD's cymbals sounded like dark, cold brass. The bass from the album literally shook the floor and rattled the windows while the CD's bass was no where near as powerful or punchy.

If you don't have a first class audiophile rig, then I invite you to go to your local audiophile shop armed with your favorite CD and identical album and have a listen - and then come back and we'll chat.

Interesting. A good friend of mine has an extensive LP collection from years back and nearly everything on CD as well. We've had opportunity to A/B quite a few of our favorite selections. The difference is apparent. Although he is not a musician or into recording we both agree the vinyl sounds better. Having worked for years at a hi-fi audio store he does have a first class rig that allows vinyl and CD to be the best they can be.

It brings to mind an article from the Honolulu Advertiser you may find interesting.

http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/2000/Mar/06/islandlife1.html

-Tim :)
 
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Though I've heard LP's in the past and always found them to be truly sweet sounding, sadly I never owned any ... I have a chance to pick up a couple but was wondering about what kind of record player you'd recommend ... both from new (if they're still made) and used. Any advice ? Also, I believe people used to dub LP's to their open reel machines to save the vinyl, wasn't that the case ?

Thanks!

Daniel
 
Btw, what's the status on records now ? Are vinyls still made and has the supply increased to fill the new demand ? What about reissues ?
 
cjacek said:
Btw, what's the status on records now ? Are vinyls still made and has the supply increased to fill the new demand ? What about reissues ?


They actually do still make them. I just recently picked up "Nevermind" on vinyl off of EBAY and "Bleach". They still press certain newer releases too as well as older classics. I don't know what you have near you but a popular music store around here "Newbury Comics" has a small section of new records.
 
regebro said:
Well, I do know more than most of the people in this thread. Thats not a superiority complex, thats a fact. As an electronical (both digital and analog) engineer with an interest in sound, I have been studuying this on my free for twenty years now. SOME snippets of information and insight has stayed with me you know.

Ahh, spoken like a true humble gentleman .. ;)
 
SteveMac said:
They actually do still make them. I just recently picked up "Nevermind" on vinyl off of EBAY and "Bleach". They still press certain newer releases too as well as older classics. I don't know what you have near you but a popular music store around here "Newbury Comics" has a small section of new records.

I guess they still have stores around my area which sell records so I got to check 'em out first. Lookin' for some Billy Idol LP's .. :D
 
DamnYankee said:
Well, it's nice to meet a Know-It-All...especially an arrogant one.
And the same to you, sir.

DamnYankee said:
Having graduated with a physics degree and now in my mid-40s, I don't open my mouth unless I know what I'm talking about. With that said, my statements stand.
exactly what i do.

I notice you completely fail to give any kind of useful reference. That means I'll unfortunately have to assume that this claim was no more correct then the rest of your claims, which unfortunately displayed some lack of insight onto the issues.
 
regebro said:
So, you think I should lie?

Look, I don't want to get into an "exchange" here with you, as I'm not very good at that, but all I'm saying is that it's very hard to deal with someone who people perceive as arrogant. That's the way you come off. That's all. Not that you care but that's all I'm sayin' ...

~Daniel
 
cjacek said:
Btw, what's the status on records now ? Are vinyls still made and has the supply increased to fill the new demand ? What about reissues ?
Here they're still available on certain releases as a premium product. Retail prices are almost twice CD pricing here - about NZ$45-50 compared to NZ$20-30 for CD. Quite a turn around from the late 80's when a number of NZ companies deleted all vinyl en-masse and you could pick up five for NZ$20.

Now I wish I'd spent more money on vinyl and less on cassette back when I was a teenager. Oh, and that I'd bought the $300 second hand SL1600 in 1994 not the $120 one that turned out to be stuffed.... :(
 
cjacek said:
Look, I don't want to get into an "exchange" here with you, as I'm not very good at that, but all I'm saying is that it's very hard to deal with someone who people perceive as arrogant. That's the way you come off. That's all. Not that you care but that's all I'm sayin' ...
Well, that's how dr ZEE, Beck, acorec, DamnYankee and you come off to, so there ya go.


And all i'm doing is that I refuse to say that I don't know what i'm talking about. Is that arrogance? Possibly.
 
Beck said:
I rest my case. Don't believe what acorec says someone else said. First of all, cleaning and demag are the first thing any experienced pro does as a first step. The new open reel owners that come here often don’t know the first thing about maintenance. However, I've been posting links to ATR and JRF as relapping sources since I joined this board.

Spewing what I’ve read, really? I setup up both my Tascam TSR-8 and 22-2 for GP-9 some years ago and they did work great. In fact, somewhere on this forum is my glowing review of GP-9 as the best tape every made. A service bulletin from Tascam concerning head wear and the higher cost prompted me to set things back to 456 and 407 respectively. Your buddy Eddie Ciletti flatly recommends against the hotter tape formulas like GP-9 for narrow formats like the E-16. By the way I’m surprised you even wanted to help this fellow with what you describe as a narrow-track toy.

Maybe when you don't think you know something you don't post a word, but when you think you know something whether you do or not there's no stopping you. You speak as an outsider who has a limited classroom introductory grasp of a very complex industry.

Because you present yourself as an expert in the field, often when I read your posts on various topics my only question is “How can he not know this?”

Whatever you may contribute it’s hard to get past your 2-inch analog snobbery, which in my book is amateurish. “Me thinks you protest too much.” Maybe you own an MCI and maybe you don’t. You may have an inaccurate perception of this forum because it is titled “Home Recording” and “Analog Only.” You may think all you have to do is hang out at Expert Forums and Pro Sound and then come over here with what you’ve learned to set us straight, I don’t know. The reality is the talent and knowledge represented here took decades of doing what can’t be learned in a book or on a website.

Maybe I’m out of line in asking people to be who they really are here in cyber space. I know a lot of people are out here to pretend to be something else. Maybe I ask too much.

The people who I trust and get along with here are those who appear to be who they say they are, regardless of their technical level. When they don’t know something they say they don’t know. They have more integrity and credibility than anyone who “knows it all.”

HeHe, whatever man. Keep up the good work.
 
I'm tellin' ya man, you guys have some good knowledge, both digital and analog sides and all points in between. I'm listening to 'Californication' right now. My guess would be that it was not tracked on tape. Still the sound, although commonly regarded here as the worst case of overcompression as I have heard it claimed, sounds right for the band, namely the particular songs (as the band may change styles or vibes), but for these songs whatever they did seems to fit the mood of the songs, but I would be curious to hear Huey Lewis and the News' 'Sports' tracked with digital. I hear in my mind's ear that it would lose something, ever so slightly if tracked with the "professional" digital setups of today. It would still sound like Huey and band, because they are good enough at what they do to make it so. I'm not gonna knock digital to the point of most of you guys, simply because I don't know enough technically to battle your most informative arguments.
But again, I like the sound (and process plays a BIG part, too) of hands-on, analog recording and tracking to tape. I get frustrated in creating kits inside my DM Pro Kit module, let along trying to track, and mix, and edit...well, I would imagine editing is easier in the digital realm, but MIXING is a big one. I'm a whiz at AutoCAD, but for mixing, I want a board not a box.

Ah, what the hell, I've got a book going anyway. Blue Bear, highly regarded and rightfully so here. Well, I am listening to his clips right now. Listened before, but now again so I can get a feel for the hybrid. Now I believe he uses outboard gear (i don't believe he mixes in the box) but in my humble opinion the clips still sound "separated" when listening to the 'song'. Maybe he is just showcasing his tracking abilities, which are absolutely the clearest I have heard of any online studio site so far, but the parts still sound too segregated to me to give an overall audio experience of togetherness. The parts are too distinguished from each other to the point of not sounding like a sum of parts, but more a collection of synchronized, well-recorded tracks. The mix is stellar!!!!!!!! It is just the overall sound, and maybe it is the performers, not the engineer and/or equipment...studio musicians thrown in a booth one at a time without ever having the courtesy of eye contact can do that, not that this is the case here. Not sure the history of the artists and their recording process for these clips.
Anyway, I know Blue Bear has the shit in equipment, and the tracks sound great as far as capturing detail, tone, clarity; they just sound a bit "alone" out there somewhere. Maybe they were an example of tracking and haven't been mastered.
Now this is no knock on BB, but a simple, personal take on sound. I have a feeling some folk may criticize me for not being able to "hear properly" or having "untrained ears." Maybe they're right, but what I hear is right to me is what I hear is right to me, and until I hear differently that is......you guessed it, what I hear that's right to me.
BTW, without having tape and the micing/room to compare to, I think if I had a piano part(s), I would track them in Blue Bear studios, money and location providing. I do dig those piano sounds. :confused: Hmmm, wonder how they wound've sounded on tape... ;) ;) :)
 
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Seeker of Rock said:
Blue Bear, highly regarded and rightfully so here. ....

For what?
For an "enlightening revelation" about what he thinks about cheap gear. Well, may I remind, cheap gear is what we (99% of us) DO use and will be using, like it or not. (even if you (a home recordist) get yourself "expansive" gear - it still will be relatively cheap comparing to any professional studio). So what's the F***g point here. Why on earth do I need to be reminded about it over and over and over again by any "Self-kissing Professional Freak". Again, I don't mean to simply dump a load of disrespect on pros in general. That's not the point. The point is: "If you do not have anything positive and usefull to contribute for a home recordist, but all you can do is to keep pointing out that all the problems are in the very fact of being a home recordist and using home recordist's gear, then just DON'T. Nobody here really needs to know a sh*t about your hi-end gear and what you can do with it. Find a better place to show off. We ain't your client's dude ... not even potential ones :)"

For what?
For crippled posture as a savior on the mission to rescue us from "Osama" of analog board. (btw, that was "very cute" :eek: ... also prety idiotic if you think about it.... arghhhhhhh, so was not even funny, really)

For what?
For the fact of possession of load of expansive gear and knowing how to possess it properly to satisfy a client?

For what?

Seeker of Rock said:
I would track them in Blue Bear studios, money and location providing.
...then, it ain't gonna be 'home recording', man ;)

Do it yourself and kick ass. Or if "kicking ass" does not fit into the spectrum of your interest, then just do it yourself and have good time. That's what it's all about. Isn't it?
 
regebro said:
Well, that's how dr ZEE, Beck, acorec, DamnYankee and you come off to, so there ya go.

cjacek arrogant? :confused: I've heard everything now.

What are you drinking over there regebro? It's probably illegal in the states. :D
 
Left out again

regebro said:
Well, that's how dr ZEE, Beck, acorec, DamnYankee and you come off to, so there ya go.


And all i'm doing is that I refuse to say that I don't know what i'm talking about. Is that arrogance? Possibly.

I feel so left out. Bummer!

Regards
 
evm1024 said:
I feel so left out. Bummer!

Regards

There, there now… for what it's worth I think you're every bit as arrogant as cjacek. :D

You are now officially part of the tribe. :)
 
Spiceba

Beck said:
There, there now… for what it's worth I think you're every bit as arrogant as cjacek. :D

You are now officially part of the tribe. :)

Thanks, I feel so much better now. Beck, you are a scholar and a gentelman.

Regards
 
Beck said:
cjacek arrogant? :confused: I've heard everything now.

What are you drinking over there regebro? It's probably illegal in the states. :D
Well, compared to you he is of course the perfect display of humility. But then, so are most people. :p
 
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