is vista THAT bad?

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Merry Christmas everybody.
 
Didnt want to get mixed up in this but after ready crap like this, i must.

Tim Brown said:
Bill Gates doesn't "own" apple, but he does indeed own a large amount of it's stock. That's how Apple was able to survive - Wozniack and some of the other guys evidently teamed up with Gates, and they forced Steve Jobs out of his position....he still has a job with Apple, but he doesn't have the power he once used to force people to work all sorts of crazy hours and stuff IIRC.


Tim
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Wozniak did not return to apple after he flew is airplane into the side of a hill in 1983. Jobs was not fired, he was removed from his position as head of macintosh by Scully supported by the apple board of directors in 1987 and in a fit sold all but one share of stock and went on to start NeXT. Apple bought NeXT in 96 and Jobs was given the CEO seat when they ousted Amelio, which gives him WAY more power than he used to. Gates poured money into apple in 1997 and had NOTHING to do Jobs rehire or promotion to CEO. AFAIK, Gates/MS has a non voting seat on the board as a result.

Please check your facts before making up stories to make it sound like you have any clue about what your talking about.

Tim Brown said:
The only Windows version that I liked was 3.11 or 3.14(aka Windows for Workgroups) I liked those - I never liked any of MS's "multitask" softwares for the most part.
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3.14? no such thing.

brzilian said:
Yawn...

Price isn't everything in this world. People DO pay more $$ for something which gives them a better experience. That is why we have brands like Cadillac, BMW...

If you're a Wal-Mart guy, fine - stop knocking the people who can afford to go to Nordstrom instead and who don't have a problem paying a premium.

I can affort and do prefer Macs after being a DOS/Windows PC user since 1988 and, yes, Macs are much more straightforward AND stable. Control over your hardware components is a good thing and eliminates the complexity of the interaction between components, their drivers and the OS.

I didn't have to waste days troubleshooting the Firewire controller on my Mac like I did on my XP Laptop because its VIA Firewire chipset didn't get along with my audio interface. Oh yeah, the Mac also already had the driver, so all I did was plung my interface in and start recording music in GarageBand and Logic...
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Here is some news for ya: Apples desktops are made side by side with Dell desktops by Foxconn in the same facility using the same components. Asustek makes all of Apples laptops as well as their own brand of laptop which sells for half the price of a mac using the same parts. So how exactly does Apple differ hardware wise from any other computer? Just because you bought junk components for your PC and could not get them to work correctly is not a problem with the PC, it is a problem with the skills of the person putting it together. Buying a Mac does not change that nor does it suddenly make you an authority on ANYTHING. I still have a half dozen PPro 200 mhz machines that are used daily, connected to the internet, and running win98 that have not been turned off in 2 years, run perfectly, and have 0 issues so the stability argument does not really hold water.

brzilian said:
Keep rationalizing it whatever way you want, but I'll pay more $$ for the system which is less likely to encounter some kind of software/hardware conflict...
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http://itsallmac.com/blog/2007/10/26/oh-no-leopard-problems/

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=376092

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/leopard-osx-problems,review-1028.html

Your paying extra to live in a fantasy world. Enjoy
 
altitude909 said:
Your paying extra to live in a fantasy world. Enjoy
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haha - ouch.


Yeah, this Mac Book cost me $1500.

Could have bought 2 PC Laptops (as mentioned above).

But, my wife likes it, it's nice and easy to doctor up photo's, create galleries, etc. MAC has this more artsy 'vibe' to it.

I am a solid PC guy myself, and couldn't go any other way, as I develop in .NET, SQL, etc. Windows 98 Second edition, Windows 2000, and Windows XP are all rock solid, dependable everyday OS's.

But, MAC does have it's place, despite it's inflated cost.
 
Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against macs. They are great machines with a slick ui and I recommend them to ppl all the time. The iPonce crowd gets to me quick though
 
vista runs perfectly fine for me...

i use reaper on a gateway m285-e tablet pc with a tascam fw-1804.

have yet to run into any problems whatsoever. not even driver problems.
 
It's not so much an issue with FireWire/USB devices.

If you buy a computer and you're stuck with Vista, and it works, cool. But as for "upgrading" from say, XP to Vista, there is just no point at all. It will only hinder performance and you will gain nothing.
 
danny.guitar said:
It's not so much an issue with FireWire/USB devices.

If you buy a computer and you're stuck with Vista, and it works, cool. But as for "upgrading" from say, XP to Vista, there is just no point at all. It will only hinder performance and you will gain nothing.
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i agree that "upgrading" an os that works perfectly fine is just silly. i would never buy vista if it was not coming with a new pc.
 
altitude909 said:
Didnt want to get mixed up in this but after ready crap like this, i must.


Wozniak did not return to apple after he flew is airplane into the side of a hill in 1983. Jobs was not fired, he was removed from his position as head of macintosh by Scully supported by the apple board of directors in 1987 and in a fit sold all but one share of stock and went on to start NeXT. Apple bought NeXT in 96 and Jobs was given the CEO seat when they ousted Amelio, which gives him WAY more power than he used to. Gates poured money into apple in 1997 and had NOTHING to do Jobs rehire or promotion to CEO. AFAIK, Gates/MS has a non voting seat on the board as a result.

Please check your facts before making up stories to make it sound like you have any clue about what your talking about.



3.14? no such thing.



Here is some news for ya: Apples desktops are made side by side with Dell desktops by Foxconn in the same facility using the same components. Asustek makes all of Apples laptops as well as their own brand of laptop which sells for half the price of a mac using the same parts. So how exactly does Apple differ hardware wise from any other computer? Just because you bought junk components for your PC and could not get them to work correctly is not a problem with the PC, it is a problem with the skills of the person putting it together. Buying a Mac does not change that nor does it suddenly make you an authority on ANYTHING. I still have a half dozen PPro 200 mhz machines that are used daily, connected to the internet, and running win98 that have not been turned off in 2 years, run perfectly, and have 0 issues so the stability argument does not really hold water.



http://itsallmac.com/blog/2007/10/26/oh-no-leopard-problems/

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=376092

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/leopard-osx-problems,review-1028.html

Your paying extra to live in a fantasy world. Enjoy
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And I'll enjoy it alot thank you very much.

If Apple keeps giving me stuff that I want and can use, I will by all means keep on giving them my money. It is my money after all...

I admire Steve Jobs for what he has done. If I were the head of a company and could charge a premium for something everybody else simply treats as a commodity because people want and admire my product, I would ertainly do it.

I am tired of the Wal-Mart mentality this country is engulfed it where people "demand" everything be as cheap as possible and expect that to be sustainable long term without negative consequences.

Who cares if Foxconn makes Apple and Dell components? Are you there in the QC department checking to see if Apple and Dell are getting the same level of quality of components? Its pretty naive to assume just because they come from the same factory, its the exact same thing. After all, Intel rates processors on how man QC test they pass. A 2.2 Core Duo could in fact be a 2.4 Core Duo which didn't pass all necessary tests. This has been common knowledge for years...

How many of you posters in this thread actually work in product development and/or product marketing for a publicly traded company and understand what needs to be done to stay ahead of the competition and be a profitable corporation? I'm guessing not many by the comments posted...

I myself work in this day in and day out and if I could develp a product people wanted and would be willing to pay a premuim for, I'd do it in a heart beat.
 
i was just about to make a post about vista when I saw this.

I just got a new pc for christmas which was LONG overdue.. It's a nice system.. 2gigs of ram, pentium duel processor.. 4 times the machine i had previously... (which always did the job until it blew up on me)

of course my new machine has vista.. I haven't set it up yet.. I don't even know if i should set it up with vista at all.. I'm using a delta 1010lt card and I hear they finally got a driver up for vista.. but if it just came out it must be somewhat sketchy right?

anyone here use the 1010 with vista yet?

I don't have a copy of xp so now i'm wondering what to do.. should I just get xp.. fork over the cash for it.. or should i try out vista.. at least give it a chance..


I don't like that it's a resource hog at all.. i noticed that cpu guy's rediculous statement about "who cares" if it uses alot of ram.. he must not use his computer for recording cause the rest of us know we need as much ram as possible to make the sessions run smoothly... I would just rather have an awesome fast system with xp than a ok system with vista.. or will it be that big a difference?
 
eeb said:
I don't have a copy of xp so now i'm wondering what to do.. should I just get xp.. fork over the cash for it.. or should i try out vista.. at least give it a chance..
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If it were me, I'd get XP and set the machine up to dual-boot between them. That way if XP won't play, you've still got Vista, and vice-versa.

Then, if Vista stabilises a few years down the road or they decide to come out with something more suited to AV work (Vista AV Edition with no DRM subsystem and less bumpf?) you can nuke the one you're not using and reclaim the disk space.
 
cpc said:
windows is like levi's jeans. good durable plain jeans, 30 bucks. can design them any way you want, wear them however you want, with whatever you want.
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My admittedly minimal experience with Vista makes it seem a like pair of jeans made out of concrete cloth, with a mandatory built in chastity belt and gps locator. But it's good to hear it's working for some of us. I'll have another look.
 
So then your Wal-Mart comment is rendered null, right?

Some of us like to have total control over our own components and save money instead of being stuck with a proprietary machine that costs an arm and a leg to buy and service.
 
i didn't think this was supposed to be a mac vs. pc thread which no one will ever win...

it's supposed to be vista: good or bad.. thanks for the idea.. I think i will set up my pc to duel boot xp and vista.. see how i like vista.
 
their stock didnt hit record hight because of computers, its because of the iphone.
 
everyone's joining mac because it's TRENDY AND HIP and because the average person is an idiot. just like most people are dying their hair black and covering their faces with it. doesn't mean it's better. as george carlin once said .. "just think how stupid the average person is, and imagine half the people are even more stupid than that"

people buy macs because it's trendy like hollister jeans, buying a mac makes you kewl.. just like buying ipods makes you kewl.. and jeans with holes premade in them.. instant kewl. and older people just want something that "works" and they think spending more money will accomplish that, even though they know absolutely nothing about computers or why they're taking a mac over a pc.

also, i think more people that know anything build their own pc's rather than dells.
 
cpc said:
everyone's joining mac because it's TRENDY AND HIP and because the average person is an idiot. just like most people are dying their hair black and covering their faces with it. doesn't mean it's better. as george carlin once said .. "just think how stupid the average person is, and imagine half the people are even more stupid than that"

people buy macs because it's trendy like hollister jeans, buying a mac makes you kewl.. just like buying ipods makes you kewl.. and jeans with holes premade in them.. instant kewl. and older people just want something that "works" and they think spending more money will accomplish that, even though they know absolutely nothing about computers or why they're taking a mac over a pc.

also, i think more people that know anything build their own pc's rather than dells.
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I'm convinced you've not read any of the posts by anybody else on this thread. Do you even understand what some other people have posted?

Oh and it's "cool" not "kewl".
 
cpc said:
everyone's joining mac because it's TRENDY AND HIP and because the average person is an idiot. just like most people are dying their hair black and covering their faces with it.
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Interestingly a majority of the peopple I know with a mac are those black hair dye types. I dont think that says anything about mac users. I think it's more the case that dyed-black-backwards-haircut/fringe-with-highlights brigade are a bunch of rich kids who can just get mummy and daddy to buy them a new mac because their pc broke because they cried on it and macs are tear-proof having been tested on a wide range of emos...or something. I dunno. Maybe facebook and myspace just look better on a mac. What was I talking about again? Ah, yes....

Macs are pretty, but I guess I'm just put off of them because I feel like when I use one I have to strike a pose and put on a cheesy smile, like I'm ecstatic about the most mundane of things such as checking my emails. All this to a bright orange backdrop, and their MUST be a black person with me or it's discriminatory, and I must be wearing clothes that cost twice as much as my mac. I dunno. I just don't think I could keep up with the kind of cosmopolitan 'cutting edge of fashion' lifestyle that the mac conveys through it's advertising. I mean shit, some of my trousers are like 6 months old. I'm just not cool enough man. Not cool enough.
 
hahahaha this has turned out to be my favorite thread to check everyday, even though it usually off topic.

I got my computer a month before Vista came out, and it came with a coupon for a nearly free uprgade to Vista. At first I thought "damn, I should have waited another month." now, after buying a bunch of stuff for recording, i am soooo glad that I didnt wait for Vista. I dont understand how they would expect someone to upgrade to vista with only 1gig of ram(thats what my computer has)??? seems pointless.

Other than that, XP has been flawless with everything I do, except my alesis multimix 16 firewire that was a peice of shit either due to driver issues or a poor firewire card. who knows, its gone now.
 
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