is vista THAT bad?

[brzilian]

obviously price isn't everything, you obviously didn't read the rest of my message where i said xp and vista has never froze or had a virus on me, while mac has a few of the only times i used it.. so if i can have a much more stable system, with more software and hardware choices, that i can customize to my own liking , AND get it at a much cheaper price, then the choice is obvious.

Obviously you didn't read the rest of my post either...

The math is simple - if you have to worry about thousands of possible hardware configurations because you, the OS maker doesn't also make the hardware, then you WILL EVENTUALLY run into an issue and/or conflict. I gave just one example - there are many more than I care to mention in the years spent troubleshooting IRQ conflicts...

Macs don't have that problem because Apple controls both the OS and the hardware it runs on.

Keep rationalizing it whatever way you want, but I'll pay more $$ for the system which is less likely to encounter some kind of software/hardware conflict...

 

[danny.guitar]

You won't get hardware/software conflicts if you know how to build a computer or pay someone who does.

If Mac let you choose your own hardware they'd have the same problem. People building computers who don't know how.

I personally like having control of what hardware goes into mine. And being able to swap/upgrade different components when I want to.

 

[thebigcheese]

obviously price isn't everything, you obviously didn't read the rest of my message where i said xp and vista has never froze or had a virus on me, while mac has a few of the only times i used it.. so if i can have a much more stable system, with more software and hardware choices, that i can customize to my own liking , AND get it at a much cheaper price, then the choice is obvious.

Any computer that is poorly maintained will have problems. My Windows computer has had far more problems than my Mac has, and I am OCD about how I care for my belongings. Both have their problems. OS-land is not nearly as black and white as you would like it to be. I don't know why so many people have decided they need to be complete fanboys of one OS or the other...

 

[cpc]

Obviously you didn't read the rest of my post either...

The math is simple - if you have to worry about thousands of possible hardware configurations because you, the OS maker doesn't also make the hardware, then you WILL EVENTUALLY run into an issue and/or conflict. I gave just one example - there are many more than I care to mention in the years spent troubleshooting IRQ conflicts...

Macs don't have that problem because Apple controls both the OS and the hardware it runs on.

Keep rationalizing it whatever way you want, but I'll pay more $$ for the system which is less likely to encounter some kind of software/hardware conflict...

weird, because i've never had a problem using windows for over 10 years, and i used mac a few times and had problems almost every time ... so looks like mac is more likely to encounter some kind of software/hardware conflict from my experience... would i want to pay three times as much for less options and more problems? no

 

[Codmate]

Yawn...

Price isn't everything in this world. People DO pay more $$ for something which gives them a better experience. That is why we have brands like Cadillac, BMW...

If you're a Wal-Mart guy, fine - stop knocking the people who can afford to go to Nordstrom instead and who don't have a problem paying a premium.

I can affort and do prefer Macs after being a DOS/Windows PC user since 1988 and, yes, Macs are much more straightforward AND stable. Control over your hardware components is a good thing and eliminates the complexity of the interaction between components, their drivers and the OS.

I didn't have to waste days troubleshooting the Firewire controller on my Mac like I did on my XP Laptop because its VIA Firewire chipset didn't get along with my audio interface. Oh yeah, the Mac also already had the driver, so all I did was plung my interface in and start recording music in GarageBand and Logic...

I could quite easily afford five or six macs - but I have three 'PCs' in my house, all running varients of Windows or Linux. I put 'PCs' in single quotes - because MACs *are* PCs. They are x86 now and contain all the same components a Windows based machine would.

They aren't as nicely specced as the machines I build for myself of course - or as specialised for their purpose; but you do get a picture of an apple on the side and an O/S that has lots of pretty (resource hogging) pictures and animations. It costs you a 33% margin, but hey, you can afford it and I'm sure you know much more about computing than me...

 

[Codmate]

Obviously you didn't read the rest of my post either...

The math is simple - if you have to worry about thousands of possible hardware configurations because you, the OS maker doesn't also make the hardware, then you WILL EVENTUALLY run into an issue and/or conflict. I gave just one example - there are many more than I care to mention in the years spent troubleshooting IRQ conflicts...

Macs don't have that problem because Apple controls both the OS and the hardware it runs on.

Keep rationalizing it whatever way you want, but I'll pay more $$ for the system which is less likely to encounter some kind of software/hardware conflict...

The only reason you haven't encountered conflicts is becuase you are lucky. You're just as likely to encounter something going wrong if you introduce a new piece of hardware to a MAC IME.

You are right in that there is a lot less hardware out there for the MAC and that they are frustratingly inflexible for all but the most hardened luddite. Unfortunatly this does not make them less prone to device driver conflicts et al.

 

[TerraMortim]

I use both mac and windows on a daily basis. . . . .

As far as driver conflicts in OS X. . .not that much, really. It's not unheard of, but generally, I'd be much happier with only a few good choices that work really well, than a gazilion different choices and having to weed through the good and the bad. How many choices of audio interfaces and things like that do you actually need? Pretty much all of the respected ones (aside from maybe one manufacturer) release everything for both OSes equally. Pretty much all of the good choices for PC are also for MAC. THe poster before was correct, that generally, now a mac is mostly the same as a pc... but the OS... for audio, is much more streamlined if you don't want to spend a lot of time tweaking things. You can create just as good of music with either windows or mac, but it all comes down to what you want to spend your time doing. Obviously, if you know what you're doing with any OS, you can use it more effectively, but I find the requirement to "know what you're doing" isn't so crucial on the mac end. There are, of course, plenty of tweaks and such things on a mac, if one so chooses, but to be honest some of them are a bit silly, since the OS works very nicely without any need to play around with everything.

 

[brzilian]

You won't get hardware/software conflicts if you know how to build a computer or pay someone who does.

If Mac let you choose your own hardware they'd have the same problem. People building computers who don't know how.

I personally like having control of what hardware goes into mine. And being able to swap/upgrade different components when I want to.

Don't know about you but my time is valuable. I get a return on my time when I am actually putting my computer to use recording audio or doing video editing/3D work.

Time spent researching what components to use and putting the system together is time I don't get paid for. Paying someone else to put it together is also money I don't need to spend when I can just stroll in to an Apple store or go to their website and buy what I need and know I can hit the ground running once it arrives at my door...

Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

 

[SPINSTERWUN]

...Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

Did you read what danny.guitar said???

Originally Posted by danny.guitar
...I personally like having control of what hardware goes into mine. And being able to swap/upgrade different components when I want to.

Most of us here @ HR.COM. like to have as much control of our machines and our music production as possible.

 

[timthetortoise]

Don't know about you but my time is valuable. I get a return on my time when I am actually putting my computer to use recording audio or doing video editing/3D work.

Time spent researching what components to use and putting the system together is time I don't get paid for. Paying someone else to put it together is also money I don't need to spend when I can just stroll in to an Apple store or go to their website and buy what I need and know I can hit the ground running once it arrives at my door...

Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

You get paid to post here?

 

[danny.guitar]

Don't know about you but my time is valuable. I get a return on my time when I am actually putting my computer to use recording audio or doing video editing/3D work.

Time spent researching what components to use and putting the system together is time I don't get paid for. Paying someone else to put it together is also money I don't need to spend when I can just stroll in to an Apple store or go to their website and buy what I need and know I can hit the ground running once it arrives at my door...

Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

Ok, so you don't have the time/money to build a computer but you have the money to spend on a mac?

Building a computer takes like an hour or 2 at the most if you know what you're doing. If you don't, then I agree, get a mac. Or you will just end up having "hardware/software conflicts" a.k.a: You don't know what the hell you're doing.

I put my computer to pretty good use too...you know...writing software, doing web/graphic design, and recording audio. I think of it as an investment.

I'm not even a computer nerd. I don't see any reason why you would get offended by my post.

 

[Tim Brown]

More Stable ? - I can agree with that.



I may someday get an iLaptop (ibook ? iwhatever they are called) for my wife.

That's who they are for - people who are not good with technology. lol

I would have to disagree with you.

I grew up around computers. We had one before a lot of people on here were born. My Dad was a Computer specialist and was trained by IBM back in the 60's, so he always pushed technology on my brother and I. Even as far back as 1980, we had a terminal in the house with a secondary phone line in his office so he could go "online" and work from home.

Ive been building PC's for over 10 years, and I still think the Mac is a better machine than anything else you can buy; part of the reason for that, is I think the OS is better, and I think that Logic is a better designed software than most. I really hate Windows. I preferred IBM's OS/2 over MS products.



Tim

 

[Toddskins]

Hard to find answer on the internet:

Question: What is the fastest chip on which to put Windows XP? Is there a point of diminishing returns since the new 2-core, and 4-core chips, from what I have read, were designed for higher-end OS's to take advantage of?


Which chip is actually overkill for XP, if any?

Core 2 Extreme QX9650 - Penryn
Core 2 Extreme QX6850
Core 2 Extreme QX6800
Core 2 Extreme QX6700
Core 2 Extreme X6800

Core 2 Quad Q6700
Core 2 Quad Q6600

Core 2 Duo E6850
Core 2 Duo E6750
Core 2 Duo E6700
Core 2 Duo E6600
.
.
.
Core 2 Duo E4300


Thanks

 

[legionserial]

Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

It doesn't actually take that long to build a computer. Unless you don't know what you are doing of course. It take even less time to 'pick out' the bits you want, as if you know what you are doing then you'll know what you want.

Since when has building your own pc been a measure of being a 'grown up'? That's one of the most retarded things I've ever heard. My dad's nearly 60 and has always built his pc's. In fact, I'd say that a comment like that says more than anything about being a 'grown up'...

 

[warble2]

Building your own PC is cute and all when you're a poor college student with nothing better to do, but I work in the grown up world now...

Grown up world? Thanks for the laugh this morning. I live and work in the "grown up world" - the one you seem to be referring to. I build PC's for myself and am able to build quality PC's for others and make money at it. I enjoy educating those people about how to keep their PC's running properly.

Maybe it's time to take the arrogance down a notch or two. I guess we're not all up to "your" standards, but some of us do enjoy working with PC's and have successfully built PC's that do what we want them to - and do it well.

 

[Kevin Deschwazi]

I would have to disagree with you.

I grew up around computers. We had one before a lot of people on here were born. My Dad was a Computer specialist and was trained by IBM back in the 60's, so he always pushed technology on my brother and I. Even as far back as 1980, we had a terminal in the house with a secondary phone line in his office so he could go "online" and work from home.

Ive been building PC's for over 10 years, and I still think the Mac is a better machine than anything else you can buy; part of the reason for that, is I think the OS is better, and I think that Logic is a better designed software than most. I really hate Windows. I preferred IBM's OS/2 over MS products.

Edit: Oops it wasn't Danny, my mistake.



Tim

Just because you own one and you know your stuff it doesn't mean that in general Danny isn't right.

It does seem that the vast majority of people who claim macs to be superior, always refer to PCs constantly crashing, having conflicts and being generally unstable.

For the bazillions of us who use PCs without any problems it's a fair assumption that these people are just too stupid to operate a PC. That doesn't mean ALL mac users are stupid, just those that use a mac because they're incapable of operating a PC without fucking it up.

 

[mattkw80]

Tim Brown.


I don't think you read carefully enough.

I was in agreement that Mac can be more stable. (for user's who are not good with technology)

I would have to disagree with you.

I grew up around computers. We had one before a lot of people on here were born. My Dad was a Computer specialist and was trained by IBM back in the 60's, so he always pushed technology on my brother and I. Even as far back as 1980, we had a terminal in the house with a secondary phone line in his office so he could go "online" and work from home.

Ive been building PC's for over 10 years, and I still think the Mac is a better machine than anything else you can buy; part of the reason for that, is I think the OS is better, and I think that Logic is a better designed software than most. I really hate Windows. I preferred IBM's OS/2 over MS products.



Tim

 

[thebigcheese]

Just because you own one and you know your stuff it doesn't mean that in general Danny isn't right.

It does seem that the vast majority of people who claim macs to be superior, always refer to PCs constantly crashing, having conflicts and being generally unstable.

For the bazillions of us who use PCs without any problems it's a fair assumption that these people are just too stupid to operate a PC. That doesn't mean ALL mac users are stupid, just those that use a mac because they're incapable of operating a PC without fucking it up.

The majority of all computer users are stupid. That's a pretty generic statement. That's why they make anti-virus software, because Windows users are just as stupid. People buy Macs because they don't know how to take care of it, and they don't have to with a Mac (generally). That seems like a sensible solution, albeit a more expensive one that doesn't really solve the core issue that they don't know what they're doing.

More importantly, why are people still ranting on in this thread? This is Home Recording BBS, not Mac/Windows Flaming BBS. Seriously.

 

[Codmate]

Grown up world? Thanks for the laugh this morning. I live and work in the "grown up world" - the one you seem to be referring to. I build PC's for myself and am able to build quality PC's for others and make money at it. I enjoy educating those people about how to keep their PC's running properly.

Maybe it's time to take the arrogance down a notch or two. I guess we're not all up to "your" standards, but some of us do enjoy working with PC's and have successfully built PC's that do what we want them to - and do it well.

Indeed.

I work for one of the largest and most respected bradcasters in the world and we build quite a few of our own PCs.

We certainly have much more hardware that is Linux running on x86 than we do MAC stuff; Autodesk Flame and Baselight Filmlight being two very good examples.

 

[Codmate]

I would have to disagree with you.

I grew up around computers. We had one before a lot of people on here were born. My Dad was a Computer specialist and was trained by IBM back in the 60's, so he always pushed technology on my brother and I. Even as far back as 1980, we had a terminal in the house with a secondary phone line in his office so he could go "online" and work from home.

Ive been building PC's for over 10 years, and I still think the Mac is a better machine than anything else you can buy; part of the reason for that, is I think the OS is better, and I think that Logic is a better designed software than most. I really hate Windows. I preferred IBM's OS/2 over MS products.

Tim

Why not build a standard x86 box and put OSX (or even better Ubuntu 7.10 (with Compiz/Fusion if you like pretty GUI rubbish)) on it then.
It would be a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a MAC - plus you can upgrade it and repair it yourself.

Maybe you prefer being without a machine for a month if a component fails and you don't want to break your warentee and open the case?

Personally I prefer to pop in one of the many spare components I have lying about (each of which has its own individual warentee) and have a working machine back instantly.