Is the MXL v67 similar to the SP C1?

[Rev E]

Originally posted by Rev E Yeah, but how does it "sound?"

Rather than quote the obvious (Harvey's comments), I'll just go back to what I said earlier. I suppose it's somewhat valuable to see what a manufacturer about the frequency curves of its mics. But, I generally don't find "much" value in any frequency curves by the manufacturer. Many of the mics du jour say their mics are relatively flat. It means little. What the mic sounds like is a matter of hearing and cannot be translated in any meaningful way via a chart (not that there's anything wrong with that).

DJL and I were yammerin' about nothin' particularly important. He says it's not scooped. I say it is. Given that everything is a matter of hearing and given that hearing is a subjective thing, noone's right. There's no right answer, because it depends on what things sound like AND what how each of us defines certain words (i.e. what does "warm" sound like?") AND the sources we use the tools on AND...

So in the final analysis, the choice of the V67 and C1 is a personal decision. I find both useful for different things and I think it's in the budget engineer's better interest to have both if possible. If you can only have one, then you owe it to yourself to listen to the mics yourself, preferably in your studio, with your other gear, and on the source that you intend to use the mic on before making that choice.

 

[DJL]

Since I lost my notes to the first tests, I plan to do another full round of testing on the SP mics soon, and I'll be comparing them with some of the MXL mics, among others. I'll be posting it on my forum, and you're free to copy all or any part here, if you wish.

Ok thanks... oh, and any idea when your going to do that?

 

[tdukex]

If you think those are "real" or "representative" curves on the MXL and SP websites (or even close), then my sales offer has equal merit, and should be discussed as seriously.

I'm not dissing any of the mics being discussed; just saying those curves are not particularly useful for making any sort of informed decision about the relative merits of the mics being mentioned. And unless you know from experience how "visual" curves translate to real world "audio" conditions, you're at a severe disadvantage.

Sorry tdukex,

I thought I was adding some insight to the thread, albeit in a humorous fashion, or so I thought. I'm certainly not trolling, nor am I "back".

I believe I covered microphone specifications in a pretty thorough fashion in the big thread, with even specific references to MXL and SP frequency response curves.

Never mind. Sorry for getting involved. Make of those curves what you will.

Sorry, Harvey, if I took your remarks the wrong way. I was having a "pissed off" day, and your remarks hit me as somewhat snide--not what I would expect from you.

You are correct in assuming I don't know (from experience) how visual curves translate to real world "audio" conditions. And it should come as no surprise to you that few who post here do. That's why threads like this one get started in the first place.

 

[DJL]

Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
Since I lost my notes to the first tests, I plan to do another full round of testing on the SP mics soon, and I'll be comparing them with some of the MXL mics, among others. I'll be posting it on my forum, and you're free to copy all or any part here, if you wish.
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Ok thanks... oh, and any idea when your going to do that?

 

[malcolm123]

Originally posted by Harvey Gerst
Since I lost my notes to the first tests, I plan to do another full round of testing on the SP mics soon, and I'll be comparing them with some of the MXL mics, among others. I'll be posting it on my forum, and you're free to copy all or any part here, if you wish.
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Ok thanks... oh, and any idea when your going to do that?

Harvey said that he would try to get to it this week.

I cant wait. LOL


Malcolm

 

[DJL]

Harvey said that he would try to get to it this week.

I cant wait. LOL


Malcolm

Way cool... thanks. I've been waiting for him to get to it for months... so you can wait a few days. I just hope it's not a shaded review now that he is good friends with some of the folks at PMI.

 

[Harvey Gerst]

I just hope it's not a shaded review now that he is good friends with some of the folks at PMI.

Gee, lemme see, I knew Brent before I knew Alan, back when Brent worked at MXL. Brent went to work for Alan. Then I reviewed the MXL V69 and thought it was a pretty nice mic. Even though Brent's been working for Alan for more than a year now, I still recommend a lot of MXL mics. And I just trashed their curves (both companies) a few posts above this one. I guess I'm a pretty piss poor "good friend" to either company.

DJL, I really resent your remark. That's a pretty shitty thing to accuse me of, and it's just another reason why you won't see me back here in the future. I've put in a lot of hours here, posting what I hope was information that people could learn something from.

I see it was all just a waste of my time, and yours.

That's it for me. I'm outta here. If anybody want's me, y'all know where to find me.

 

[BradD]

Atta boy DJL! Piss off the guy who's provided more useful information on this board than anyone.

You, on the other hand, have done nothing on this board other than trash SP.

 

[werewolf831]

Boy, look what I've missed the past few days! Could someone email me the link to where Harvey's forum is? I'm not ditching HR.com's board, just want to follow his study.

As for the graphs, they seemed kinda informative to me. One question, my MXL 2001 graph shows 2 lines. One marked 0degrees the other 180degrees. Anyone know why that is?

BTW, since I started this thread, I may as well inform that I'm leaning towards the v67. Too many people who's opinions I trust have praised it. I won't be tracking vox for a while now, so I'm gonna hold off the purchase till I do.

 

[Rev E]

I just hope it's not a shaded review now that he is good friends with some of the folks at PMI.

Perhaps the Smilies can convey the idiocy of saying such ignorant stuff to one of the most giving and selfless engineers on the web today. Way to go dude.

 

[ausrock]

I really can't believe you said those things DJ.............well actually I can as they are written here for all to see.

I guess you just can't help yourself anymore.

 

[crazydoc]

Boy, look what I've missed the past few days! Could someone email me the link to where Harvey's forum is?

http://recpit.prosoundweb.com/viewforum.php?f=8

 

[DJL]

Gee, lemme see, I knew Brent before I knew Alan, back when Brent worked at MXL. Brent went to work for Alan. Then I reviewed the MXL V69 and thought it was a pretty nice mic. Even though Brent's been working for Alan for more than a year now, I still recommend a lot of MXL mics. And I just trashed their curves (both companies) a few posts above this one. I guess I'm a pretty piss poor "good friend" to either company.

DJL, I really resent your remark. That's a pretty shitty thing to accuse me of, and it's just another reason why you won't see me back here in the future. I've put in a lot of hours here, posting what I hope was information that people could learn something from.

I see it was all just a waste of my time, and yours.

That's it for me. I'm outta here. If anybody want's me, y'all know where to find me.

Oh cut the crap and just stick the two mic's up on stands... turn them on, and tell us what you think... you don't need to make this in to some big baby ass deal. And tell us if you think the SP B1 is a flat uncolored mic or not too.

 

[crazydoc]

Oh cut the crap and just stick the two mic's up on stands...

I think the rest of us have a better idea where to stick them, DJ.

I think you forgot to take your midol today.

 

[DJL]

I think the rest of us have a better idea where to stick them, DJ.

I bet YOU do.

 

[Rev E]

Oh cut the crap and just stick the two mic's up on stands... turn them on, and tell us what you think... you don't need to make this in to some big baby ass deal. And tell us if you think the SP B1 is a flat uncolored mic or not too.

Yeah... that's it DJL. Maybe you can insult him into doing something you want.

 

[DJL]

Oh crap... here we go again... now you'll all just use this thread to flame me and get your post count up. Well, hurry up and get it over with so we can get back to the C1 vs V67 subject.

 

[malcolm123]

Damn, I was just posted what I knew.

And all of this?

Ill see ya over there Harvey !!!!

Anyways,,,,,, All those mics are soo cheap that it should just boil down to what you want in your locker !!


Malcolm

 

[DJL]

While your at the ProSound website checkout Fletcher's board too... it rules.

 

[littledog]

I'm not here much, so i don't know DJL at all.

But i'm curious, D... you've obviously heard and used the mics in question, and have informed opinions based on hands-on experience about which ones work best for you in specific situations.

so why do you care what Harvey or anyone else in the world thinks? what's the big deal whether they agree or disagree? Is it going to change your opinion about what your own ears are telling you?

and if you doubt someone's honesty and integrity, it is even more puzzling as to why you want their opinion. unless you just enjoy creating controversy...

hey, this isn't a personal attack, as I said - I don'tknow anything about you. Just some idle speculation and curiousity...