Interested in an "easy on the ears tune"? Please tell me what ya think! Really.

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everyone's entitled to their opinions but I have to respectfully disagree with Ghettowayz......first off....the old, "here's what you have to do to make it in music" stuff is bullshit. No one knows what will or won't make it........if they did, there would be nothing but hits......
secondly no one we know will make it anyway.....to make it, you have to be a hot looking chick or a girl magnet and the music is secondary. Sure, it's possible.....and one of us might get hit by space debris too.....but it's so unlikely as to hardly bear thinking about.

Lastly.....yes he asked for opinions so you're entitled to give yours without any holds barred.....and I even agree that this particular song doesn't sound very commercial to me. But that's not the point for everybody......if it is for you....great, but the general tone of your post was kinda like....."Well, let me tell you about the music biz kid," as if no one here knows anything and we've just been waiting for you to come around and clear things up for us. That's what probably put off some people although I looked and didn't see where Kramer said anything to you (did he delete it?).
Also......saying you don't like it or don't think it's commercial is one thing....to say "You play from you dick and not your brain" is being deliberately insulting and doesn't accomplish anything useful.
And before you launch in on me....note that I have not said a single insulting thing about you or called you any names.
 
Lt. Bob said:

Also......saying you don't like it or don't think it's commercial is one thing....to say "You play from you dick and not your brain" is being deliberately insulting and doesn't accomplish anything useful.
And before you launch in on me....note that I have not said a single insulting thing about you or called you any names.
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I agree. Being a humble home studio guy, I just come around here to learn stuff. I enjoy creating music (art as well), I just like some constructive feedback and not be lectured about life and the dog eat dog world. I just figured Ghetto has a beef of his own.

Naturally, being 42 years old and having played music for mere dollars for years, I am no kid. But there will always be those who want to tell you like it is...the way they know it, even if you knew that decades ago.

Oh, I do not pump gas, you know where I work?... at an insane asylum...I know how bad the dog eat dog world can get!

Interesting how these threads evolve.
 
Oh....and on your guitars.....first off, mix them louder, then try (the operative word is 'try') adding some low mids to them, maybe around 500hz.....I bet that would fatten them up. It won't take much now.........
 
Thanks Lt Bob. I'll keep that in mind on my next project...think fat! ;)
 
ok there ghetto boy, look at it like this.. when i said "fuck airplay" I meant just that... I'm not striving to make music into a job, I feel that If you want to make music... make it... if you are "trying" to make an occupation out of it, you are going about it all wrong.. maybe I can easily say this because I havent wrapped my life in it. But im not pumpin gas, man. Im havin a good time. so take it easy man. When somebody asks you for an opinion give them two positives before you give them a negative. the dog eat dog world is out there if you want to play it, but you dont have to...have a couple beers, whack off, whatever it takes, but shit man, lay off the caffeine
 
Richie, I'm DL'ing your song... but mostly because of a difference of opinion with "GhettoWayz". Sorry, man... I'm sure once I've spun it it will stand on its own merits...

GhettoWayz said:
For starters, when you ask for opinions some will be what your wanting to hear, and some will be truthful expressions from the listener. What you do with them is everything.
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That part is o.k.

...trying to be in some sort of exclusive you kiss my ass Ill kiss your ass kinda club. It really does ruin the effectiveness of putting music up for complete strangers to listen to.

Except for the namecalling, I'd agree with that too.

And trust me, it's a dog eat dog world out there. If there was an opening for ONE song to make you a load of cash and world exposure, you'd see that dog eating come out in all of us.

That's the off-ramp. First off... this is not a personal attack. But this type of response has come up before (... by those who will remain unnamed... :)) We've strained this kraut a million times. Simply put... no, not all of us are motivated by "making it". I couldn't give two shits about "making it" if I had three.

I admire your candidness... and try to do the same thing when reviewing someone's stuff.

Those who say different are liars. Period.

Bullshit. Sorry, but if it fell out of the cow, that's what it is. Riches mean jack squat to me.

That's fine. You can look at me like I have two heads. But it's true. Not everyone is motivated by "success" or "riches". To be honest, being famous would suck shit for me. Nobody's claiming to be Jesus here... but stuff like free time, and creating stuff for the fun of it is what some of us are more interested in. Maybe we're the least talented ones. Eh? Who gives a fuck.

Part of getting an honest opinion is being told when your breath stinks.

But it doesn't stink all the time. And sometimes stuff is really worth praising. It's hardly ever radio material... but then that LINKIN PARK horseshit isn't as good as some of the stuff here. If that's kissing ass, then everything positive in this clinic is an ass-kiss.

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Richie, I'll hear this when I can pass the file over to my Win98 computer (it's busy right now doing some video...) Maybe by tomorrow...


Chad
 
ritchie, The guitars are not up front enough in the mix,and its kind of all fighting for the same frequency.
The trick to mixing seems to have a lot to do with selecting what you want in the bands for each instrument. lets say for example. 30-80 kick 300,s bass guitars around 400-to whatever then share that with the keyboard but make the sounds very distict. Im not an expert but Im learning some important stuff and figured Id pass my interpretation of mixing 101.

dont worry about what others like or dislike as far as the songs you compose go. You should hear some of mine :D ive got a couple posted now. Just be yourself, thats what makes this a great place, you can hear things you would never hear otherwise. maybe even get some ideas.

Peace
Bill
 
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Richie, I'll hear this when I can pass the file over to my Win98 computer (it's busy right now doing some video...) Maybe by tomorrow...
Chad
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No problem Chad. I'm enjoying the "publicity" my little 'ol tune and thread are getting. :D
 
Richie,

I actually kind of dig the music. Kind of starts going toward that "The Cure... Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss Me" sound... wouldn't sound out of place if Robert Smith started singing on this... it also has that theatrical, Alice Cooper/Queen thing going on.

Some of the timing seems stilted... but this is just the first time thru... The obvious things are what you probably already think anyway... drums might be a bit busy... and some of the instruments may follow each other a bit much. That can work sometimes, as in that song "Bound for the Floor" by Local H-- where everything follows the same rhythm in the verses. Something to try may be a bassline with some more of its own personality.

You'd get a more realistic critique of the sound quality if I had any kind of decent monitoring room in this new place; a few months ago, no problem.

Ah well. Keep going and have fun.


Chad
 
Good stuff. Thanks for your input and time, Chad.
 

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Lt.Bob - yes indeed Kramer deleted his post that completely initiaited a flame war with me.. it went along the lines of FUCK you in reponse to a critique I gave that did not insult or use foul language at all and actaully was in repsonse to somebody elses music and not his!!!

he told me this and then later deleted it while reposting all of my posts..he wrote

Kramer writes
"Haha.fuck you loser.Post some music pussy or shut your fuckin mouth."

whatever,

but sorry if I sounded like I was giving my inferiors lessons on the music biz, but if you were launched with an unintelignet reponse like Kramer's above, would you really think you were conversing with a 42 year old grown man hip to the ways of being succesful in life at anythign much less writing hit songs?? I thought he was a 5th grade idiot. SOrry if you felt my comments in any way reflected your level of intelliegence esperience or creativity.

I dont believe in sugar coating. If you want my opinion Ill give it and it can save you years of wasted effort instead of only listen to your freinds tell you how great it is. Im not trying to be an asshole. sorry if i gave a bad attitude but after reviewing my first mp3 file here i can say a comment liike this from Kramer didnt bring out the best in me:

"Haha.fuck you loser.Post some music pussy or shut your fuckin mouth."

PS-I did not initiate the name calling.
 
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Participant writes.
"First off... this is not a personal attack. Simply put... no, not all of us are motivated by "making it". I couldn't give two shits about "making it" if I had three."
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I think you missed my point.

I said nothing about making it. I said its dog eat dog out there and if it comes down to my band, your band or his band playing next week at the local bar for $3,000 you can bet you'll be weeded out very quickly. Thank you. You make success easier for me. I love it when the competition lies down and dies without even trying to make a success of it.

I play in a band and write songs for an audience and want to widen that audience all the time by writing better songs they find melodically pleasing enough to buy and listen to.

Its cool to have cat walk up a piano keyboard and call it song but those guys are fooling themselves. They dont really have a choice in being successful with it since listeners classify music in two types - good music and shit music.
there is no middle ground. Majority rules and most people find that wierd shit too strange. Your average bulldozer mechanic want a hook and a chorus not some midi experiment in Diminished and Whole Tone scales played by a lifelesss machine. Izzy Stradlin had a bigger audience than Branca. Cobain sold more tickets and albums than Satch. You learn to write, not play.

and like iv'e always said, opinions dont mean much including mine. it was Kramer who freaked out then deleted his posts, not me.

There just opinions, lighten up.
 
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if you are "trying" to make an occupation out of it, you are going about it all wrong..
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please explain.
 
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Participant writes.
"First off... this is not a personal attack. Simply put... no, not all of us are motivated by "making it". I couldn't give two shits about "making it" if I had three."
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I think you missed my point.

I said nothing about making it. I said its dog eat dog out there and if it comes down to my band, your band or his band playing next week at the local bar for $3,000 you can bet you'll be weeded out very quickly. Thank you. You make success easier for me. I love it when the competition lies down and dies without even trying to make a success of it.
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There's no need to weed anything. The weed is all there is :cool:

Point I'm making is that some of us aren't in the running because we aren't trying to make a band a success. It's just something fun to do. If it became more than that, some of us would bail.

It really doesn't matter if someone wants to buy my stuff or not. It's a success if it was fun to do. That's it. You're going in your own direction with your stuff. I've got a lot of friends in bands that are trying to be a success... trying to get "signed". No, they're not all going to "make it". There's also a lot of friends just out there to booze it up and call it a good time. More power to em.

There just opinions, lighten up.
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Just responding in the same tone as your post. No anger here :)
 
It is all good guys. Like I said, as a novice home studio nut I am just lookin' for some feedback. This "makin' it" thing never came from me. Since I was new here and knew no one as "ass kissers", friends, or "clicks", I thought it would be good to get some honest constructive feedback.

When I was an 18 year old bass player, I played 2 to 3 bar gigs a week. In my eyes my band had "made it" to a certain degree. We got regular pay, girls, booze, drugs, etc. But I'll tell ya this, I would not recommend music as career to anyone. For me it is a passionate hobby.

Peace guys :)
 
Nice usage of instruments. Lots of them (or at least lots of parts). I thought the parts blended well. Decent ambience to the song.

There was something about the highhat and the toms that didn't seem right. There was considerable articulation on the attack. They almost had a clicking sound. I found that a bit distracting.

I thought several of the parts were lacking a little midrange energy. In particular, there was an underlying piano (probably a synth) that needed some extra presence IMO. There was a rhythm guit part that I felt the same about.

Instrumentals are always tough because you need to keep changing things up to keep the listener's interest. I thought this song could use a bridge or extra section to provide that changup. I guess there was a bridge or sorts (right near the end, maybe it's considered a coda), but it didn't change things up enough. Just a thought.

Anyway, decent piece of music.
 
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