Input needed, thanks!

[TexRoadkill]

Damn that kid can play. I think for what the recording is going to be used for you've accomplished that.

To use a dynamic as an OH you really need to compress it a lot. Your still getting too much cymbols. I would try putting one mic out a few feet in front of the kit (wherever it sounds best) and just compress that.

 

[M.Brane]

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...id=2683&alid=-1 YO ANTHONY!

4th mix.
Stripped it bone dry & ran it through (C.E.P. trial & error about 100 friggin times.)

Other than the lopsided panning that I'm still working on, how is the general tone quality for this cheap Tama Swingstar and a couple of SM-58s.

I'm just looking to record him for these upcoming (16 and under)
competitions in a presentable fashion that won't get in the way of any judges critique.

Specifically how is the EQ and Verb, along with anything else that strikes you on this mix?

Thanks
Ralph

http://www.nowhereradio.com/artists...id=2683&alid=-1 YO ANTHONY!

For some reason those links don't work. The original one does though.

The panning is better, but the EQ is pretty hot in the upper mids. The bottom is a bit light too, but that's to be expected with 58's. They roll off a bit higher compared to a 57, and have an upper-mid peak to help vocals cut through a live mix.

I didn't dig the verb on this. I think something shorter and a bit darker would be better.

This sounds pretty compressed as it is. I don't think I'd do much to it in that dept.

 

[boydrj]

Re: Re: Proud Dad!

I'm all over that man! Good advise....I might be a little late as his band is signing a European contract this weekend for a 3 week stint this summer. http://manifestmass.com
Good luck to your son....sounds hip!

Congrats to your son!

 

[Toki987]

like Alan said, the track with the overhead is a bit too harsh in the upper mids, I`d scoop it a tad and bring the level down a bit. The main kit track could fatten up a little in the lower mid area and bring the top end up a little for a bit more definition. THe verb is still a bit sizzly. I like the sound of a kit set up on wood floor in a warm slightly dark room at about 20 ft away. I dont know if that gives any sonic image but thats the way I hear it.
My son walked in to get a program disc a few minutes ago for his machine and said "Now I know damn well...., you didnt do that did you!" I said "sure I did, see this little button that says start? all I have to do is click on this!" Hehehe, I told him it was somebody he`d read about before too long.

 

[erichenryus]

Wow! I don't know anything about micing real drums but that's some solid footwork. Sounds fine to me for sending in on a demo.

 

[flat-9]

Damn that kid can play. I think for what the recording is going to be used for you've accomplished that.

To use a dynamic as an OH you really need to compress it a lot. Your still getting too much cymbols. I would try putting one mic out a few feet in front of the kit (wherever it sounds best) and just compress that.

Great post Tex .....Muchas Gratias!

 

[flat-9]

The panning is better, but the EQ is pretty hot in the upper mids. The bottom is a bit light too, but that's to be expected with 58's. They roll off a bit higher compared to a 57, and have an upper-mid peak to help vocals cut through a live mix.
I didn't dig the verb on this. I think something shorter and a bit darker would be better.
This sounds pretty compressed as it is. I don't think I'd do much to it in that dept.

You my friend, are a wealth of knowledge with fucking ELEPHANT ears!

 

[flat-9]

........My son walked in to get a program disc a few minutes ago for his machine and said "Now I know damn well...., you didnt do that did you!" I said "sure I did, see this little button that says start? all I have to do is click on this!" Hehehe, I told him it was somebody he`d read about before too long.

ROFL......You are the most sensitive cat on this board,( besides your Washburn kicks ass)........... Your imagery on past posts actually inspires creativity and openess to otherwise reluctant change! Look What You Did To 'Bedlam'!!!

I always cherish your words....negative (always constructive) & positive alike!

peace always,
Your Friend in Massachusetts!

 

[Khompewtur]

HAHAHAHAHA!

I just checked out the Manifest link and a sample of their music comes on and the kit is INYOURFACE. MAn he's eaTing HIs BaNdMaTeS aLiVE. Poor guys.

 

[flat-9]

HAHAHAHAHA!

I just checked out the Manifest link and a sample of their music comes on and the kit is INYOURFACE. MAn he's eaTing HIs BaNdMaTeS aLiVE. Poor guys.

Thanks Khomphy!

That lead guit cat's got some shit happenin too...LOL

Check out 'Distopia' for a taste of one of Berkee College of Music's top freshmen guitar players.....Sean Rohrer.....I'm scared @ what he'll (they'll) sound like as a senior!(s)

Man, to be 16 &17 years old again!!!!hmmmmmmmmm

 

[Toki987]

Hey Professor Funaro!!!

" Love ya Ralph! "

 

[M.Brane]

Hey Ralph!

Here's a trick you can try to get the drums balanced without squashing the piss out of the top end:

Bus your drum tracks pre-fader to two stereo aux. tracks. Lower the faders completely on your original tracks. We won't be needing those in the mix,

On one of the aux. tracks insert a low-pass filter, and sweep it down until you eliminate as much of the cymbals as you can without getting too far into the snare. Then insert a compressor at about a 5 or 6 to 1 ratio, fairly fast attack & release (you may have to play with those a bit) and about 3-6db reduction on the peaks. If it gets tubby sounding you can put a gentle cut in the low-mids after the comp, but this gets into perilous territory sonically. Too much EQ can be worse than not enough.

On the second aux track insert a high-pass filter, and raise the cut-off until it sounds good combined with the other track. Feel free to EQ a bit above the cut-off point to bring out the crack of the snare, and put some sheen on the cymbals if required.

Give it a try. It works for me. Sometimes.

Elephant ears, eh? LOL! Maybe because of that GOP thing.

 

[flat-9]

Re: Hey Ralph!

Here's a trick you can try to get the drums balanced without squashing the piss out of the top end:

Bus your drum tracks pre-fader to two stereo aux. tracks. Lower the faders completely on your original tracks. We won't be needing those in the mix,

On one of the aux. tracks insert a low-pass filter, and sweep it down until you eliminate as much of the cymbals as you can without getting too far into the snare. Then insert a compressor at about a 5 or 6 to 1 ratio, fairly fast attack & release (you may have to play with those a bit) and about 3-6db reduction on the peaks. If it gets tubby sounding you can put a gentle cut in the low-mids after the comp, but this gets into perilous territory sonically. Too much EQ can be worse than not enough.

On the second aux track insert a high-pass filter, and raise the cut-off until it sounds good combined with the other track. Feel free to EQ a bit above the cut-off point to bring out the crack of the snare, and put some sheen on the cymbals if required.

Give it a try. It works for me. Sometimes.

Elephant ears, eh? LOL! Maybe because of that GOP thing.

ALAN,( aka Elephalan )

(def one of the best set of ears on this board)......Thanks again! I've tried a 4db reduction on the peaks after fucking with the ADSR and got the 'tubby' shit!
I'll attempt it again with a various gentle low-mid cuts .....yeah it's perilous.... but that's what the 'undo' tab is all about!

hmmmm...crack the snare & sheen the Sabians.....
Yo, dude.......you rule!

ALAS....back to C.E.P. .......and a couple of Bombay & lime..LIFE IS GOOD!

Gracias, Si pudiera estar contigo , te tendria en mi brasos, ( yeah, my Spanish sucks worse than my Dutch)
Ralph

 

[M.Brane]

LOL!

Maybe I should change my handle to "Elephant Brane".

Naw, my memory ain't even that good.

About all I can do in spanish is ask for food & beer, haggle over a price, and insult you & your family.

 

[wfaraoni]

Does this mean you actually tried what m brane said, and it worked?

I could not even figure out what he was saying, never mind trying to apply what he said,there must be a manual for this stuff somewhere. You guys are waaaay toooo smart for me


Peace
Bill

 

[flat-9]

Re: LOL!

Maybe I should change my handle to "Elephant Brane".

Naw, my memory ain't even that good.

About all I can do in spanish is ask for food & beer, haggle over a price, and insult you & your family.

ROFL!

 

[flat-9]

Does this mean you actually tried what m brane said, and it worked?

I could not even figure out what he was saying, never mind trying to apply what he said,there must be a manual for this stuff somewhere. You guys are waaaay toooo smart for me


Peace
Bill

I try everything Alan throws my way!!He is a weath of knowledge and mixing experience.

"waaay toooo smart for you???? naaaah, we're all musicians Bill .....just that brane & I share the same software technique......'cept for his hardware....900 friggin watts! Damn!

Alan, you should just crank those mothers up with a high frequencey sawtooth wave and leave the house for a few hours...........No More Ants in the animal bowls........they'd be scidaddlin' into the backyard!

(damn, 3:45AM , GOTTA CHECK OUT!!!!!!!!!!!LATER!

 

[M.Brane]

He is a weath of knowledge and mixing experience.

Well, I wouldn't go that far. I have been doing AE to some extent for many years though. Thing is the more I learn the more I find I don't know.

"waaay toooo smart for you???? naaaah, we're all musicians Bill .....just that brane & I share the same software technique......'cept for his hardware....900 friggin watts! Damn!

Yeah, it's not that complicated Bill. If I can do it, anyone can! Your probably just not quite up to speed on some of the terminology. Once you understand buses & sends, pre & post fader, etc. the light bulb will come right on.

Alan, you should just crank those mothers up with a high frequencey sawtooth wave and leave the house for a few hours...........No More Ants in the animal bowls........they'd be scidaddlin' into the backyard!

Don't know if I wanna do that to my 30-year-old tweeters. I think I have one that's getting iffy already. It's got a wierd resonance happening up around 7-8K (very critical range!). Maybe it's the crossover.....