I'm brain dead...how's this one?

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I applied several suggestions from folks here & wanted to get some opinions again on this song.
Mainly stuff like are the vocals too loud? Do I need to add more harmonies at the end?
Do I need something more interesting happening with the guitars?

(after 500 listens my ears have gone to mush)

Many TIA



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Saturday, January 11, 2003
12:56:52 AM
 
The kick drum seems a bit too up front for the tune, and the guitar riffing could come up some.

Vocal level is OK but there's a bit of sibilance goin on there. It needs to be smoother. Some backing vocals probably would be OK if they stay well in the background.
 
Just a quick listen before I go to bed...and I say cut out the low mids (400 Hz or so) in the kick, lower the over all level of the kick, turn down the verb on the vox, and compress the vox a bit more.

I'd compress the accoustic a hair, too, and then turn it up!

Darth
 
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Maybe I'm getting more forgiving in my old age. I listened to it, read what's been posted and listened to it again. I think it sounds great the way it is. I like its simplicity and the mood.
 
I listened on the phones, and it sounded pretty good. I don't dare to comment on the mix though, other than to say the verb could probably be cut some on the vox. Nothing to hide and no need for tails that long here. Good song!
 
I Disagree... and I agree at the same time

I think that the guitar levels are PERFECT!!!! Do not change a thing. The guitar is the support here, and therefore sets the mood rather than carries the song. A heavy strumed Nashville-esque guitar part would kill the intimacy of the song. Not that I don't fucking LOVE the way thos boys out in Nashville record those big acoustic guitars. In fact I think a little pedal steel would lift this song off the damn ground. Now, also about the reverb on the vocals... leave it man!!!

I mean it!!!

The songs has a sort of "lonely man singing on stage at Radio City Music Hall after everyone has gone home and the house is empty" feel to it. If the reverb were any shorter then it would be "lonely man singing on the porch with a 6-pack of budweiser on the rocking chair next to him.

That all being said... the snare drum/rim click is too dry and too up front. The idea of adding reverb is to set everything in the same "room" and to have the "room" sound good. Now it sounds like you are singing in Radio City but the snare is right next to your ear. I would water that click down with the same reverb settings that are on the vocals (within reason) and experiment around until you get a really true, accurate sound.

Now with the kick drum... take M.Brane's advice. The kick is too "up front" and DO NOT try to reverb the kick like the snare... otherwise you will have boomy washed out blahhbpp spilling all over your tracks.

Leave the bass guitar alone as far as reverb and level is concerned... but I would experiment wiht a little more emotional variation. What I mean is... when the bass is doing a run at the end of a measure...(you know, that kind of quick Blump Blump Blump Blump Blump Blump Bluuuuuuuummmmmm) that leads into the next musical phrase... I would like have the notes vary in attack. Let the first not be soft, then crescendo (get louder) up to the midddle of the run, and then decrescendo (get softer) towards the first note of the next measure. It adds realism and is just plain sweeter.

Over all a great tune. Lyrically minimalistic (in a very good way)... Unpretensious and just a fine song to have on the the ol Hi-Fi while romancin up da ladies.
 
ON MY GOD!!!!

I didn't see that you were from CANADA!!! Oh God... then forget everything I said... IT SUCKS!!! God IT SUCKS BIG TIME!!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

<joke>

P.s. for REALLY wet reverby vocals check out Mazzy Star. Jesus, that chick is as wattered down as Old Milwaukee Light beer.
 
heh.. thanks eh :)

I took some of the edge off the kick and rimshot, took a very slight bit of reverb off the vocals and boosted the acoustic a little. The kick was actually two different types so I basically boosted one and pulled back the other. same thing with the rimshot. It's two sounds so I pulled em both back and seperated them a bit so they weren't so dead center.
Hopefully this is an improvement.... if not, lemme know.

Many thanks!@

 
I guess this is the remix..

pretty chill tune.. the vocals sound a bit over compressed, almost sibilant at times.. I have much worse problems.. this tune is making me tired, but I like it..
 
Much improved!:)

The only thing that struck me as odd this time is the acoustic riffs being off-center. Just a nit-pick.;)
 
Decent...Much too much kick cumin thru.Vox reverby,but I'm an FX whore too.Nice guitar sound.Chick music.Not bad for a remix.Cut some lows...
 
Many thanks for the awesome help guys
You've been a big help. (as usual :)

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schmange

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Wednesday, January 15, 2003
9:33:18 PM
 
I like the reverb..now..2nd mix better. still maybe knock the kick back a little..

cool keys..or flanged out gtrs that sound like keys..

I remember your gtr site.. still bookmarked I believe.
 
oh yeah...maybe a little de-esser on the vocals too.. and turn up you solos, man. at least as loud as your vocals....or almost
 
I didn't hear the earlier versions, but this one sounded nice. A couple of nice harmony vocals on the chorus would be nice. Maybe just a three-part going "ahhh" along the chrord progrression?

There's a little vocal part during the intro (going "da da da da") that was pretty quiet. Maybe bring that up a notch or two. The lead guit was a bit low, it could be brought up a bit. The 'verb on the vocals was a bit thick for my taste - but that's only personal opinion.

Focusing too much on the negatives. Nice song. Trip...
 
Do ya mean additional harmonies besides the ones behind the 'lights on high....oooooh etc...? :cool:
I contemplated putting more harmonies in there but didn't know if it would be overdoing it or not.
Same thing with the dum ta dum stuff.... I was almost thinking about a guy singing this song to his young daughter as a lullaby and the tadum stuff was the kinda thing a guy would hum to himself as he put his kid to bed as he was tucking her in, just before he sang the lullaby. (course I'm thinkin of this from my own visualization of the tune)

I guess I was trying for a late at night mood in a kids bedroom... the family has gone to sleep and the father is trying to lull his daughter to sleep with a melody that was passed down to him by his own mother or something.

Is that kinda off base to the way other people perceived it?
For instance, I'm also redoing this tune with a female vocal in another key....
(I'll post it soon as it's done)
 
Hey Schmange.......
Never heard your stuff before. Sounds cool. I was gonna say Mazzy Star..... Its got that "so laid back" vibe.
I dont know which mix im listening to, but it sounds ok to me. Nice work man.

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