hum eliminators

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well i got hums driving me mad. it seem the power lines have alot of noice or something; when i get a hum in one of my mixer's chanel i disconnect the device on that chanel and the hum goes away, any how is there a unit that can eliminate this problem or maybe some kind of trick that can help?

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I have an ebtech hum eliminator and it works well in ground loop situations. I often use multiple guitar amps and any time I have a Fender and anything european it hums like crazy. My guess is that designers who have 220 VAC in mind have to take grounding more seriously. 110 is more forgiving. US to EU always hums, EU to EU (especially UK 2 UK) rarely has a glitch.

Good luck, RD
 
The Hum Eliminators DO work, but know that they can degrade the sound slightly.
 
Check all your cables and trade out any that are causing hums and buzzes. Make sure all you connected gear is plugged into powerstrips starting from the same wall outlet.
 
Also, try to keep your audio cables separated from your power cables. If they must cross, do so at a 90 degree angle.

Another thing to check is if your audio cables are laying anywhere near a wall wart or lump in the line power supply. I once traced a horrendous hum to an Alesis lump in the line power supply. That was one reason why I got rid of my Alesis gear, and most of my gear that had external power supplies. They can bleed into the audio lines.

Better than using a hum eliminator is getting at the root source of the hums. Hum eliminators make sense in situations like what rcktdg describes, but in a studio setting with keyboards and rack gear only (no amps, guitars, basses), it should be possible to eliminate most or all of hums just by using good power/cable management practices.

I use a balanced power supply made by Equi=Tech, which did lower the noise floor some and has made it very easy to swap gear in and out without introducing hums or buzzes. They are pricey though.

You also may be able to lift a ground here or there and get rid of the hum. Just don't blame me if you electrocute yourself!
 
SonicAlbert said:
You also may be able to lift a ground here or there and get rid of the hum.
Definitely NOT recommended practice....
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Definitely NOT recommended practice....

Yeah, that's why I added the disclaimer. But it can be effective in getting rid of an occasional stubborn hum. In spite of the potential danger, lifting grounds to get rid of hums/buzzes is as common as roaches.

Now that I use balanced power I have no need to lift grounds. And it is *always* better to find the source of the noise and solve it properly. Also, like I said before, don't blame me if lightning strikes and fries you and your gear! However, I personally never had anything bad hapen as a result of lifting a ground. just lucky I guess.
 
I have a hum from a wall outlet anytime an amp is plugged into it. Even if there is no guitar hooked up, it hums. I have recorded with this amp and know it is quiet in other situations.

I use a Boss NS2 Noise Suppressor when recording and playing live, but this noise is not generated from the instrument.

What should I be looking for with my wall wiring? Can I eliminate this with an external device???...Bert
 
Sounds like you need to get your electrical checked by a tech.... if your amp hums only when plugged in that outlet and not others, then there's a problem with that outlet (sounds like a grounding issue).....

BTW, electrical work is not a DIY project unless you're a qualified electrician!
 
Wedding rings seem to be pretty effective hum eliminators.:D
 
c7sus said:
Wedding rings seem to be pretty effective hum eliminators.:D

lol. Buzz eliminators too.


Bert- A simple way to check the ground is to buy an outlet tester at Home Depot. They are pretty simple and you just plug them in. Make sure you get one that tests the ground. Some just tell you if there is power or not.

Do you know how to use a volt/ohm meter? You should get continuity with ohms off of the negative and ground. You should get around 115v off of the hot and ground. If any of those tests don't work then the ground wire is probably not hooked up.

If that test doesn't make sense than you probably shouldn't be messing with the wall outlets.

A simple way to check the ground is to buy an outlet tester at Home Depot. They are pretty simple and you just plug them in. Make sure you get one that tests the ground. Some just tell you if there is power or not.
 
SonicAlbert said:

You also may be able to lift a ground here or there and get rid of the hum. Just don't blame me if you electrocute yourself!

Hi

Shudders at the thought.....

I agree with the post lower down about buying a test plug from Home depot and testing all the outlets in the room used as a studio. Just because it's a 3 pin outlet doesn't mean that there's a ground connected.

I'm English and over the t'other side of the pond we are a lot more fussy about electrical safety. The three pin wall sockets have screw connections where you poke the wire in a hole and the screw comes down and crushes it tightly in there. Over this side of the pond you wrap the wire around a screw and tighten the screw.

Problem #1 is if you wrap it in the wrong direction, it will actually unwind as you tighten the screw so that little is left to make the connection.

Problem #2 is that with the rigid single core wire, the action of pushing the wall plate back into it's opening can twist the screw undone because the screws are usually on the side of the socket and the wire at a tangent.

The bottom line is that it is very easy for wires to come undone in wall outlets and you need to check this first.

Then, why does something hum?

Generally because there is a difference in ground potential between the two devices and that difference is being superimposed on top of the signal.

Why should there be a difference in potential? Well, you only need a few millivolts to give you an issue and plugging two devices into two separate wall outlets is one way to create this potential difference. Cascaded power strips one after the other (ie plugging a power strip into the wall outlet then plugging another power strip into this power strip) is NOT to be recommended.

Besides the potential differences between two devices connected together, you can also have hum like interference picked up by radiation in the air. The pick ups in a guitar are splendid things for picking up stray ac magnetic fields and need to be kept away from any any ac power lines (in the wall or the floor or the ceiling) to minimise this effect. Simply walking around a room and finding the best spot is a worthwhile exercise.

Plus, a big No No are triac/thyristor controlled light dimmers. If you want quiet power get rid of these evil things. Replace them with either switches or the rotary transformers you see in professional studios. I can detect a lamp dimmer in a studio by just measuring the console noise floor and looking at the oscilloscope trace. Those bloody great spikes that are causing an angry zzzzzzzzz to come out of the monitors.... that's a lamp dimmer in the kitchen. Throw the breaker to take power off the lights and the interference goes away.

Anyway, hopefully I have given you a few places to start looking and please, if the devices have three pin ac plugs and cords... the manufacturer thinks that they need it. Please don't cut the earth connection to attempt a fix...

You would be fixing a symptom and not the fault... and risking electrocution.


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Geoff Tanner

www.auroraaudio.net
 
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