How to make an instant transition between two songs?

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Hey, I'm just finishing up mastering my bands EP and am wondering how do some engineers make one song seemingly flow into another? It's weird, because when the end of a song reaches 0 seconds, it will go to -2 seconds before switching songs. I assume this means that it has gone 2 seconds into the next song? But anyway, one of our songs has to instantly flow into the next one without any delay. I know on some hardware this is impossible but on CD/computer this is possible because some bands have songs that instantly transition into one another.

Any help on this would be highly appreciated!
Oh, and I am using Cubase 6 for everything.

Happy new years!

- Zac
 
You need some sort of "normal" PQ editor. I don't think Cu6 is capable (however, I could be wrong).

If it is, you simply need to adjust your pause markers (or remove them).
 
Personally? Samplitude Professional. But that's a whole lot more horsepower than a typical editor -- You can take a project from conception to completion in Samplitude. Multi-tracking, object-level editing, 80-bit audio engine, full-featured PQ editor (CD-TEXT, ISRC, adjustable pre-gap -- all the rope one would need to hang themselves).

"Back in the day" before such software was available, CD Architect was probably the easiest to manage.

"BACK" in the day, Sonic Solutions -- Barely actually did anything in it except for creating the disc.

I haven't actually tried WaveLab Essentials (I occasionally use WaveLab 7 though), but I understand it's a capable PQ editor - and cheap.

Come to think of it, Reaper burns to spec now -- But it's a bit of a learning curve from what I've seen...
 
Click the no gap between songs box in Nero...
Or, on something more sophisticated, enter the value you require for gaps between songs...
Or, hold your breath between songs...
 
Are you providing Red Book standard ready-to-duplicate master to the reproduction place, or AIFF/WAV files, or justburning the discs yourself? If doing it yourself, as mentioned, you just select the 'gap' or 'pregap' feature as '0' between those songs in your burning software.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I'll look into a PQ editor John, think you could recommend one that is pretty easy to use? Would that mean that I would have to remaster the songs inside of the PQ editing software? I'm very new to the whole mastering process and software, I've just spent awhile making presets in Cubase - well in Ozone anyway.

Thanks Mike, yeah I'm gonna be DIY'ing everything haha, we haven't gotten around to CD's yet but I never really thought about just doing the gap on CD's as a more straightforward solution, it's just been more of a "no delay" in media players on computers that had me thinking about some really complex solutions to the gap problem.

Cheers
 
Massive Master said:
Personally? Samplitude Professional. But that's a whole lot more horsepower than a typical editor -- You can take a project from conception to completion in Samplitude. Multi-tracking, object-level editing, 80-bit audio engine, full-featured PQ editor (CD-TEXT, ISRC, adjustable pre-gap -- all the rope one would need to hang themselves).

"Back in the day" before such software was available, CD Architect was probably the easiest to manage.

"BACK" in the day, Sonic Solutions -- Barely actually did anything in it except for creating the disc.
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Yeah...I've been with Samplitude since version 7...just last year jumped to Pro 11 (never had 8, 9, 10)...and just this week upgraded to Pro X. :cool:

On my Samplitude 7 DAW I have other software (Sound Forge, CD Architect, Disc Welder, and a few others)...as version 7 wasn't quite as robust for doing start-to-finish projects, though I mainly used it for editing/comping, but now with the new DAW setup, I'm looking forward to NOT having to install any of that other stuff and just ride Samplitude from start-to-finish. Looks like it's got everything one needs to Record, Mix....and even Master, though obviously not quite the same as a full-blown Mastering studio. ;)
 
Scorge said:
Hey, I'm just finishing up mastering my bands EP and am wondering how do some engineers make one song seemingly flow into another?

- Zac
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Playing through from one track to the next would be the most natural way, I'm not sure I've ever heard an edit that doesnt sound fabricated/fake.
 
PDP said:
Playing through from one track to the next would be the most natural way, I'm not sure I've ever heard an edit that doesnt sound fabricated/fake.
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But he would still be left with the problem of telling his burning software to put a track end/start marker in the middle of a single wav.

To the OP, you want to look into Wavelab or CD architect for compiling your CDs. Just using stock consumer burning programs won't give you the ability to do anything fancy.

If you get something that is made for what you are trying to do, you will be able to put ISRC codes, CD text (for all that's worth) and you will have the ability to have one song fade out into another while putting the track markers exactly where you want them for each song.
 
I'm in the middle of recording a sort of diatribe (if you will) and was wondering the same thing.
I have about 45 minutes of songs that run right into each other, but was wonder about when I burn it how do I make it so it changes from one song to 10 songs.
Is this done in the mastering stage?
Can Logic 9 do this?
 
I don't know about logic 9, but any mastering software will be able to. The consumer burning softwares like Nero, roxio, iTunes, etc... don't give you the tools to put the start and stop markers where ever you want to put them. They are just for burning mp3's to disc for fun. They are not for serious master making.
 
I have Ozone4 and T-racks I've never seen those options before!
I'll have to look again!
 
Most all track end & start times or "fades" are done with the mastering software such as...Bias Peak, Waveburner, Sony CD Architect, or the one i use MAGIX Samplitude. The end times of the track where the track fades into the next track or done by simply eliminating the standard 2 sec index section in you desired mastering software. In Logic's Wavesburner for instance all you do is slide the desired track in to the 2 sec index and the "pink" index is eliminated or deleted hence causing a fade into the previous track simple. In Samplitude its a bit more complicated you have to go into settings and preferences and select the 2 sec index and bring it down to 0 sec.
 
You will not find those options in Ozone, or T Racks those are "PLUGINS". FINAL AUDIO EDITING MASTERING SOFTWARE'S such as Stienberg's Wave Lab 7, Logic's Waveburner, Bias Peak, Sony Soundforge, Sony CD Architect, Roxio Toast, MAGIX Samplitude, MAGIX Sequioa. All of these are Mastering Audio Editing software, software that you input Red Book CD text, set up QC sheets, input ISRC Codes, UPC code, DDP Image, and all copyright information embedded in the actual audio track file it self whether WAV. or MP3. And also setup up track list and also fades and crossfades, track alignment start' and end' position to allow you to have a track flow into another. Those mention are simply plugins nothing else. Not even Pro Tools, or Logic 9, nor Sonar can do these things they are DAW's not MAS's.
 
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I have Ozone4 and T-racks I've never seen those options before!
I'll have to look again!
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No, no, no, I'm talking about things like Wavelab and CD architect. Ozone and T-racks are processing programs marketed to people who are confused as to what mastering really is.

Mastering is when you assemble the individual songs into the CD image that will become the replication master. Yes, there tends to be some processing involved, mainly used to make the songs all flow together and generally sound like part of the same thing.

The better the original mixes are, the less processing needs to be done. But you always need to be able to adjust the pauses between tracks, set track markers, author CD text, enter ISRC codes, etc... to make a red book compatible CD.

Wavelab essentials was suggested earlier. $100
 
If you have logic 9, then you also have Logic "WAVEBURNER" this is a good tool, although I wouldnt do alot of processing in Wavebuner it can get rather glitchy. What I would recommend is a pre master "kinda unoffical term". Fully master your songs 1 by 1 inside of Logic 9 first! EQ, COMP, (NO BRICKWALL LIMITING APPLIED!!!). Save/bounce/render all into 44.1khz/16bit import each song file into your "MAS" or Waveburner set you track order by simply sliding each track up or down in the track menu. Slide tracks into they cross "here you will see the 2sec index disappear. On each track or region is what its also called. In the "Region Plugin Menu" where you place plugins for that specific region or track drop a Limiter in each region for each track. Listen to each song all the way thru and the ones you feel need a little more volume push the gain/threshold to give it more volume. Keep listening to all tracks have or equal the same loudness. (ATTENTION!! THERE IS ALOT MORE TO MASTERING) this was just to answer the questions at hand. My 2 c's, if you asking how to crossfade tracks and dont know what a MAS is you proly shouldn't attempt mastering your own audio if you care bout your music take it to a professional PLEASE!!
 
Thanks all, I'll check out wave burner.
I just wanted do a rough draft so I could listen in my car.
Mastering will be done with a proper mastering studio!
Thanks again.
 
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