How important is subject matter in songs ?

[Greg_L]

If you google Johnny Ramones autobigoraphy you can read it right online where he clarifies the incident

I really don't care how it happened. I've been hearing different accounts of that story literally for 20 years. I'm just glad they didn't do it.

No but Little Steven Knows who is the real songwriter and who is a fun rock n roll band. It's kind of hypocritical of you though

Little Steven knows who signs his paycheck. You're just an idiot fanboi of soft rock amerikana. That's okay. I'm not. And that's okay too.

 

[Greg_L]

I grew up listening to the clash, The cars, The Who, and even some metal, I didnt discover Spriongsteen later, thats when i got into writing

Wow, really? The Clash and The Who didn't do it for you, but Springsteen does? Yikes. No wonder you're so ass backwards. Good luck with that.

 

[miroslav]

As a Ramones fan I'm glad as hell they didn't do that shit song.

Knowing how Springsteen did that song....I can't for the life of me hear it as any Ramones version.
Even if it was sped up and given more of a punk vibe....it would still sound pretty weird.

Little Steven's show is great. I listen all the time. It's too bad he plays for such a fucking tool like springsteen.

I never heard his show, so I can't comment....but for me, I was always puzzled by his pirate look, which he's had forever....

What's that all about?

 

[Armistice]

from wikipedia "Hungry Heart"


"When Springsteen met Joey Ramone in Asbury Park, New Jersey, Ramone asked him to write a song for The Ramones. Springsteen composed "Hungry Heart" that night, but decided to keep it for himself on the advice of his producer and manager, Jon Landau. Previously, upbeat and catchy Springsteen songs such as "Blinded By The Light," "Because the Night," and "Fire" had been given away and become hits for others, and Landau preferred the trend not continue."

Hungry Heart contains a minor chord and was thus unsuitable for the Ramones....

 

[Beerhunter]

I thought this was a How important is subject matter in songs ? thread and not a Spruce Bedspring thread or are we trying to figure out whether he thinks subject matter is important??

 

[Greg_L]

I thought this was a How important is subject matter in songs ? thread and not a Spruce Bedspring thread or are we trying to figure out whether he thinks subject matter is important??

The mods are incapable of getting rid of springsteen's lapdog.

 

[Armistice]

They just bar chord it and not play any harmony. Song also has a 7th in it.

And you once had a swing at me for not knowing the correct term for a particular drum manouevre...

What a dick. Firstly it's "barre" chord, secondly you can barre chord any chord you can physically manage - it's not a chord variety, it's a technique, which means you've missed the point entirely - except you didn't, you just can't express what you're trying to say.

Shouldn't you be in bed? Yo mama won't like that you're up this late... school tomorrow.

 

[Greg_L]

Cause he cant leave the forum?

Lol. Says the guy that gets banned every day and re-registers every day.

 

[gecko zzed]

they dont play the minor chord, they play a bar chord

Chords can be major, minor, or even 'Eb13th/D' (whatever that is). And bar chords can be major, minor, or even 'Eb13th/D'. A bar chord is a technique of forming the chord on the fretboard.

 

[Greg_L]

Johnny Ramone played major chords, not powerchords. He didn't play the basic two finger root and fifth. He'd "barre" the whole major chord, including the third, everywhere on the neck. And the occasional minor showed up maybe once every 5 albums.

 

[miroslav]

Little Steven without a bandana.....I guess he has a full head of hair.

 

[Greg_L]

So that would make Arm and Hammer wrong? Where is he?, come face the music!

Joan Jett I saw once live, it was 2 fingers the WHOLE night root and the 5th. Personally i think a slight touch of the "harmony" note makes it more interesting, but when the stuff is really fast, I guess two notes are preferred

but I tell ya, that armistice, what will he dream up next????

The basic two finger root/fifth powerchord is only useful/sounds good when you're a really bad player and/or using a lot of gain. Johnny Ramone did not use a lot of gain, so his warp speed downstrumming major barre chords would ring out and sound gigantic. His whole sound was how he played. People mock it, but they can't play like that, and his sound is virtually impossible to duplicate.

 

[Greg_L]

if you have two guitars, or more, plus other harmony instruments, you dont need to play the harmony, whatever is comfy when singing.

I wouldnt call it bad playing per se, i would call it "this is all I know how to play" two finger bars are the staple for alot of garage rock and punk

the ramones technique is more of an athletic one, than a musical one. if you can build up the wrist strentgh, you can do it. Kinda hard to do and sing at the same time though. I believe the drums were the same thing with The Ramones, the high hat playing in sync with the down stroke guitars.

It is partly "athletic". It takes speed and stamina, particularly on the drums, to play it faithfully if that's the goal. Early Ramones footage showing Johnny and Dee Dee's hands hammering away in perfect unison is pretty impressive. Way more accomplished musicians than the Ramones cover their songs all the time, and they pretty much never ever do a good job.

 

[Armistice]

Swing at you? LOLLLLLL

are you serious with your reply? everybody I know they call it bar for short. LOLLL

if I have to break down something so elementary for you, the cover of hungry heart I played, they dont play the minor chord, they play a bar chord, it's technical if in c a A5, it ISSSSSSS a chord. by barring it, they are playing the root and the fifth, no c note in the minor chord

Did you really think you had one over on me here? I play jazz, Have you every played an Eb 13th/Bb?

but thanks for the lesson you sharp musician u!

"I play jazz" - really? You should read up. What you said about "they don't play the minor chord, they play a bar chord" just demonstrated you're not as smart as you think you are.

We all know what you mean, trust me. You just don't know how to express it. If you "barre" an Am chord, it's still an Am chord. You were talking about removing the minor third, and playing root and fifth - ie. a "power chord" or whatever else you want to call it. I'm not even going to get into whether playing just two notes is a chord or an interval as it doesn't matter in the context of this discussion.

As to your question. Probably. Does it matter? Can you play a Emaj7 at the 7th fret whilst using your little finger to alternately sound the 12 fret harmonics on the E and B strings whilst fingerpicking? On a steel string acoustic. Maybe, just maybe, you can. But you never thought to, I'll bet. Does your ability to type about interesting chord variations have some merit when you've already demonstrated you don't really know what a barre chord actually is?

I don't hang around here all day and I'm on the other side of the world dreaming, whilst you're dreaming up your latest alias, so I'll drop back in tomorrow and see how it's going for you....

 

[grimtraveller]

Irrelevant statement no. 253

Speaking of subject matter, "Only a Northern song" partly addresses the subject of chords and "Let there be rock" partly touches on finger pickin' guitar.

 

[Beerhunter]

Learn over 300 bar chords on the guitar Part 1 - beginner guitar lessons - YouTube

This is suppose to be a thread about subject matter in songs not guitar lessons. What gives?

 

[Greg_L]

This is suppose to be a thread about subject matter in songs not guitar lessons. What gives?

He's a troll

 

[miroslav]

No he is right, and he wont allow pinheads to say he is not, even when evidence is placed under their nose, they wont believe it, cause GREG didnt say it was true or whoever.

The forum really need a middle finger emote!

Dude....you really need to get medical/psychiatric help.

Setting up multiple accounts, and responding to your own posts as though you are someone else....is pretty fucking bizarre.
You have to be REAL hard up for recognition to do shit like that.

 

[Beerhunter]

No he is right, and he wont allow pinheads to say he is not, even when evidence is placed under their nose, they wont believe it, cause GREG didnt say it was true or whoever.

The forum really need a middle finger emote!

If you are going to play the troll game then look to WalterS for instructions. At least he was entertaining

 

[miroslav]

Isn't if funny how when the mods delete all of Barry's mindless posts in a thread....then it's like watching a movie with all the stupid commercials edited out.