Help With Bass Traps!

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Cool.. I just saw that on one of the links above.. So that seems simple enough as far as building bass traps into the corners. But I dont think you guys understand what Im talkin about when I ask about traps being hung vertically.. I mean vertically from wall to ceiling.. Kind of whats going on the corner form wall to wall... but up across the top of wall to the ceiling. Is there any value in this?
 
Rick,

> The bass player refused to tune to the Steel. These were ALWAYS out of tune <

I'd have quit the band. :eek:

--Ethan
 
Scarboro78

The answer to your question is yes. Check out Ethan's site and you will see pictures of real world examples of what your describing. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words, and Ethan's got 'em.
 
If the drywall and studs are acting as membrane absorbers, does that mean a concrete wall has little or no absobtion qualities. Or does it depend on whether it's concrete block, or solid concrete?

Walls only act as membrane absorbers if there is drywall on BOTH sides. IF, you have a studwall in front of a concrete wall, you do NOT want drywall on both faces as this creates a three leaf system, which can actually reduce its effective LF isolation qualities. However, IF the total airgap between drywall and concrete is hermetically SEALED(doubtful), then the whole wall in theory, should act as a dampened(studs and insulation) panel absorber. This would also imply that the concrete would also have a sealant applied to it and all flanking paths sealed in the airgap. What effect the studs would have on the panel I do not know, but I do know this. The transmission loss in two leaf systems is determined by its mass, rigidness, and airgap. It stands to reason that as a membrane absorber, a single wall with both faces shiethed with drywall, also has an absorption coefficient and resonant frequency determined by the mass of the membranes, the depth of the airgap, distance between studs, and distance between floor and ceiling plates. These wall cavities in essence form a box, hence a membrane absorber. A wall cavity with studs spaced 16"oc will have a higher resonant frequency than that of one with studs spaced 24"oc.
It also stands to reason, that a two leaf "box" comprised of a stud wall with one face of drywall and the other of concrete, and the airgap between them is sealed, also creates a "membrane absorber". The question is what affect the studs have on the drywall(membrane) vibration characteristics and frequency. I have seen old studio pictures of membrane absorbers(bass traps) 20 and 30 feet long, but the panels were one continuous panel with NO studs. Usually this was done by splining plywood panels together at the seams.
As to absorption of concrete vs concrete block. ALL materials have an absorption coefficient. Even stone. However, rationality tells me it would be VERY VERY low. :) On the other hand, structural transmission of sound in these materials is VERY effective. More so and faster than sound in air. This is ONE of the reasons why concrete floors in studios are isolated from the floors in the control room as sound travels faster in concrete than air. Disclaimer still in force.
fitZ :)
 
'd have quit the band.
Ethan, although the tuning issue was a constant thorn as we played, most of the time the difference was so slight, only the musicians could really tell when comparing a given tone between instruments, and the BASS player was astute when it came to tonality and tuning. Myself, hell, I was having a ball playing, cause it was a dynamite ass kicking country band. Although, basically country, we played anything. For 2 years we played the regular 9 to 2 at Sacramento's most historic country bar(everyone in country music played there at one time or other) but on Friday and Saturday, we hosted the all night jam sessions afterwords. And believe me, these weren't country jams either. Some of the best musicians I've ever witnessed played these. :eek: :eek: Come sundays though........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!! Burn out time till the next tuesday.
Some of the best musical times I ever had were at these sessions. Sometimes they went from Friday night, till Sunday with oour regular 9-2 on Saturday in between. Damn. Sometimes we went to local studios afterwords to record someones ideas that they came up with improvising on the spot during the jam sessions. Talk about fried. But sure was fun :D
fitZ
 
Rick and Ethan are on the money regarding design technologies.

The corner wad is kind of fool-proof, but it is broadband. The sealed membrane traps are bass-only with an ability to reflect highs back into the room. I used a comination of both in my room, to keep the high end from disappearing altogether.

Here are some pix: http://toddejones.com/hugegallery.html

The combination approach works really well.
 
Now This Is Exactly what I meant! :D I Wonder if my ghetto way with the pillows will look as nice? lol
 

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Rick,

> Some of the best musical times I ever had were at these sessions. <

That sounds very cool, and reminds me of how much fun I used to have when I played out regularly.

--Ethan
 
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