Filling up the rack with crap

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I will trade my gear for your gear out right. I can fill up my rack with your good equipment, and you can fill your rack with my "crap". LOL.
 
Who's kiding who?

SonicAlbert said:

It scares me a great deal to read something like "I have yet to have any clue of what I am doing" immediately following that very expensive list of gear.
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I have to agree with SonicAlbert. I don't know anyone who would shell out $25k on gear (not to mention budget another $7.5K for mics) and not only Not hook it up but, make a statement about not having a "clue". Something sure doesn't sound right to me. ;)

You sure you're not selling the crap and not looking to buy?
 
SonicAlbert said:
I'm also not sure about your strategy of buying cheap stuff, but I'm not questioning your budget.

Also, there's cheap, and then there's "crap". I don't see any point in filling your racks with crap. So my suggestions below are for gear that's cheap but still has some redeeming qualities. For example, no Behringer. If you've spent $25,000 it would be an injustice to yoruself to put a bunch of Behringer junk in your rack. That just makes the good gear you bought look bad, and doens't make the best impression on any prospective clients or producers/musicians who may want to use you or your studio for projects.

However, here's a few suggestions:

ART PRO VLA. I'd put that at the top of your cheap stuff list.


Well, there's a starting point anyway. Again, cheap can be cool, but don't fall into "crap" like the Behringer stuff. It's got no sound other than just cheap. Go for anything with personality.
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You guys crack me up. Everytime I hear something like this it only goes to show peoples lack of exprience, and how people are really sheep that just follow the flock. Just wondering...have you tried EVERY Behringer has to offer? It's not all good, but it's not all crap either! And this is true for ANY brand. You do not always have to spend alot to get something good.

Any of the Behringer UB series mixers are good. I own and use them and they are quite as a mouse and made just as good as the Mackie I use to use that crapped out on me. Most people that bash them have never used them. BTW, my mackie was bad right out of the box. They were good about repairing it, but I've had it repaired 5 times before I finally unloaded it, and it DID NOT feel any better made than the Behringer.

Behringer makes (or use to make) some fine compressors. If you can find some of the slightly older composers on EBAY grab a few to fill that rack...you won't be sorry.

Behringer makes a headphone amp that does it's job just fine for far, far less than any other rack headphone amp.

Can't believe that people would say "go buy an A.R.T" but then bash Behringer!

The Behringer ADA8000 is solid and a great piece for the price.

P.S. I would throw a few BBE's in that rack.

The Eventide is a good move, can get the 3000 on Ebay for about $1200.

Also, I would check out a set of Roland V-sessions. Makes recording drums a lot easier in the long run, and are the closest thing to "A" drums I've ever seen in "E" drums. Saves hours of micing drums.

Next I would think about adding some guitar amps and bass amps. (check out the line6 bass pod pro, can pick one up on Ebay for under $300) EVERY STUDIO NEEDS A MESA BOOGIE! Alot of times I get bands that come in and just don't have good equipment (amps and drums) and are happy as hell to use my Boogie, Marshall, and Line6 amps) The Mesa Recto-verb is only $1200 and would be the most impressive item in the room! It really sucks when you have all this great gear and a guitar player walks in with a Create or Peavey Classic 30!

Also, the best way to impress potential "clients" is to let them hear what you can do. I have recorded in multi million dollor studios that were super impressive when I looked around, but have gotten much better sounding projects from lesser studios with better engineers and producers, even though they had "lower" quality equipment. BTW...NFL Films Stuido has a few Behringer Composers in it!
 
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Well, I have bought Behringer in the past, and was not impressed. I've also checked it out from time to time at stores and NAMM shows. Looked, sounded, felt cheap and low quality to me. I don't doubt that there are a few items they make that are useful, I just haven't used them and don't really want to buy their whole product line to find out which they are. However, I am speaking from personal experience with Behringer gear, not just being a "sheep".

As far as ART, you see the ART PRO VLA in all sorts of studios. Not as their best compressor certainly, but as a color opto compressor. So I stand by that suggestion. I didn't recommend their whole product line, just that one compressor for the application that the original poster was asking about.
 
Accusations, jokes and an argument unrelated to the thread. I wont be visiting here again, Im sure posts about how you're glad and other common posts of such a nature will ensue.

I ended up purchasing some instruments instead if anyone cares.
 
Hey Aux,
You know, you sound like a real ass anyway! You got some good advice on this thread, and it seems like everyone that replied honestly tried to be helpful, but you really come off as a spoiled brat with too much of daddys money. People joke around on here because some have been here a long time and are kind of friendly like you claimed you would like to be. You won't be missed! Ingrat!
BTW...if you are that sensitive you are in the wrong business!
 
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SonicAlbert said:
Well, I have bought Behringer in the past, and was not impressed. I've also checked it out from time to time at stores and NAMM shows. Looked, sounded, felt cheap and low quality to me. I don't doubt that there are a few items they make that are useful, I just haven't used them and don't really want to buy their whole product line to find out which they are. However, I am speaking from personal experience with Behringer gear, not just being a "sheep".

As far as ART, you see the ART PRO VLA in all sorts of studios. Not as their best compressor certainly, but as a color opto compressor. So I stand by that suggestion. I didn't recommend their whole product line, just that one compressor for the application that the original poster was asking about.
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Sonic,
Sorry, I did not mean for that to come off as a personal attack. However, I hear this all the time. To bash the whole Behringer product line is no better than bashing the whole ART line. Like any company in this business, they all make some good and some bad ( and I do admit that Behringer has more bad than good, but it's not ALL bad, and the same goes for ART.....mostly bad, but not all bad). I find it's better to list things I DO think are a good buy, and stay away from listing things that I do not feel are good products. It avoids misunderstandings like this one. But that's just me. Again....sorry if I came off to strong.
This guy AUX has to learn that this is a place to get OPINIONS on such matters, and that EVERYONE has a different opinion and different ears. The best way to learn about what gear to use is EXPERIENCE ,and trial and error (industry standards aside). Many things can be learned when people disagree.
 
No problem toker41. I have heard good things about some Behringer gear, especially some of the older German made models. Like supposedly the German made gate is good (what is that called?), although it is a direct ripoff of the Aphex 612. I think some people use the Edison as well, and of course the older versions of the compressor are sometiems used as an "effect" compressor.

A couple Behringers do interest me mildly, the new 2496 mastering box with the RTA in it (just for the RTA), and also the new ADA8000 that you mentioned. The thing is, I've tried to get away from disposable gear and the constant merry-go-round of upgrades. For that reason I've been buying the good stuff, and/or very *specific* gear that's maybe not class A but has a certain sound or function that I want.

I guess I know where Auxillary is coming from as far as the money buring a hole through his pocket. that has happened to me in the past as well. If I had the money to spend I'd spend it, no question. I just found that it's better to spread the spending out over time, as what seems great and really useful today may become an expensive waste of money in actual practice. Not that anything he bought is bad, just that if you don't need it, it's a waste of money. And the only way you really know if you need it is by actually putting the gear together and working with it.

Quote: "Accusations, jokes and an argument unrelated to the thread. I wont be visiting here again, Im sure posts about how you're glad and other common posts of such a nature will ensue."

Welcome to the internet! This is the nature of not only this message board but of basically all of them. You got some good advice here, so don't knock the thread now that you've got what you wanted out of it. One thing I've noticed is that no-one can control the direction of a thread, it will very often veer into uncharted areas for a while, then maybe come back to the topic. I do think the Behringer detour was basically on topic though, as *you* mentioned Behringer in your original post. :-)
 
Auxillary said:
I just bought some nice preamps and I have some good compressors and limiters. Im all set for good stuff, now I want to get some crap. Have budgeted 1300$ on buying cheap "tube" pre's compressors etc...
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How about instead of pissing away your hard earned cash on crap, you invest in some good instruments so you have better "source tones" that will help your previous investment sound even better?

Just a thought.
 
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Fletcher said:
How about instead of pissing away your hard earned cash on crap, you invest in some good instruments so you have better "source tones" that will help your previous investment sound even better?

Just a thought.
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"pissing away your hard earned cash"
Pass me another beer. :D

All joking aside, I think Fletcher's idea is a good one. One mistake some people make is loading up their racks with crap like a dummy just because it's pretty.
 
hey auxillary, are they hiring where you work?? wherever it is i want a job there.
 
Auxillary said:
Accusations, jokes and an argument unrelated to the thread. I wont be visiting here again, Im sure posts about how you're glad and other common posts of such a nature will ensue.

I ended up purchasing some instruments instead if anyone cares.
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Oh, ok, so you're just a dick...I see.
 
Auxillary said:
You can get cool sounds from cheap stuff. Not everything needs to be ran through a neve. Id like suggestions for things that have a unique sound, not questioning of my budget. Sorry if i seem angry or something, I am not in a good mood today:)
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Man, there's tons of fun sounding crap out there... but, you can tie up a lot of cash on shit that you may or may not end up using even once, if you know what I mean.
 
Auxillary said:
Accusations, jokes and an argument unrelated to the thread. I wont be visiting here again, Im sure posts about how you're glad and other common posts of such a nature will ensue.

I ended up purchasing some instruments instead if anyone cares.
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I think that was a good move.
 
i read an interwiew with les claypool about his "ranch relaxo" studio and he said that he uses blackface adats and pawnshop gear.
prime example of crap gear getting unique tones,but i prefer to run through the neve.
 
yeah, that's if you think primus is any good. They are nice guys but they are all mediocre musicians. Entertaining and amusing? a little. Welcome to my pop and slap nightmare. I haven't listenened to the recordings in a while but I remeber them sounding thin. guitar, bass and drums. cardboardy drums too. wanna mix me? not with those tracks buddy. Back to the oakland hills with thee.
 
sweetnubs said:
yeah, that's if you think primus is any good. They are nice guys but they are all mediocre musicians. Entertaining and amusing? a little. Welcome to my pop and slap nightmare. I haven't listenened to the recordings in a while but I remeber them sounding thin. guitar, bass and drums. cardboardy drums too. wanna mix me? not with those tracks buddy. Back to the oakland hills with thee.
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The sound quality of their first albums truly sucked but they've evolved over the years. Imho The Antipop sounds actually really good.
 
Hey Aux,
you would be better off spending that money getting that bug removed from up your ass!
 
The question is, how long before monty or rats starts a thread called: "Filling up your crack with rap?"

I give it another day or two.

Carl
 
I have this marvelous old ART guitar fx processor. So bad. I got it for free. It uses state of the art 4-bit digital processing.

seriously so bad it's good again.

So I feel ya on the Cheap stuff.

I don't have all the awesome stuff to back it up though.
 
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