Extra stuff is hitching a ride on my BUNs

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hi everyone-

I have read about this in passing and now that I need it, my searches can't find it - -

I have a work file that has 9 individual drum tracks and 7 guitar tracks. To save the whole thing as a bundle is too huge, so I've been creating new WRK and BUN files for the guitar tracks only, then saving to CD. It has been working perfectly until today. The 7-track guitar BUN's are usually about 180 meg.

This latest time I tried to save , the BUN all the sudden became 660+ meg.! Almost like the drum tracks were hitching a ride on them, even though they were'nt there on the decicated WRK file I created for saving the guitars. I had been creating these guitar WRK files by opening the main WRK file (with drums + guitars) and doing a 'save as', then going to this new file and deleting all the drum tracks, then re-saving as a BUN. With only guitars.

I've gone through everything, cleaning audio disc, recycle bin, renaming the original WRK file from which I save the guitars from. Restarting my computer, everything (I think). Even chaning filenames to have nothing of the original WRK filename in them ! What is making all the extra stuff show up on these BUN's that are usually only 180+ meg? It worked perfectly the last 3 days.

I know I read something here on this, just can't find it. I'd love to fix this so I can get alot done this weekend...can anybody help me?
thanks
Alan
 
Could it be non-destructive edits?

Just a guess, but if the delete of the tracks that you do is non-destructive, the data's really still there. I thought it was only an issue with cutting chunks out of tracks and slip-editing, but maybe...

I forget the menu command, I think it's in the Edit menu, to commit edits made to finality...
 
An option and a question; If you open one of the guitars-only buns are the drums in there?

If you do back ups as a combination of (1) the CWPs and (2) the raw data tracks in the audio folder, you can span then over as many cd's-per-project as it takes. No big bun :rolleyes: needed.
Wayne
 
you definately don't want unwanted guests on your BUN's....
 
:p
Wavlingth said:
AHAHAH!!! best thread title ever!!!!
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Yeah, I thought that too. I have nothing else productive to say, good luck with your BUNs.
 
Actually I have a thought:

This is relevant only to Sonar w/ slip editing. I don't know what version you're running, but if it is Sonar, this is a potential problem/solution.

With slip editing, all the information in the clip/wav is stored "behind" the various incarnations of the original and copied clips.

If you've copied clips and (for instance) edited a part of clip A...but left clip B (the copy) untouched, then the program is going to save the information for BOTH clip A & B. Repeat the process many times, and you'll have a ton of extra baggage tagging along ... even though you might not have recorded a ton of tracks, the slip editing feature quietly stores all that hidden data for each incarnation of each changed clip.

If you want to eliminate the excess baggage in the tracks, highlight the tracks and select "Apply trimming" from the "Edit" drop down menu. That gets rid of all the hidden data in a track.

It might explain and/or clear up the problem.

Best-

K
 
K-dub, that's what I was suggesting several days ago.

I'm dying to find out if we're right...
 
Whoops, missed your post, yet thought the same thing. Great minds, eh? Well, maybe yours is a great mind...MINE misses posts.

:D

K-
 
I can attest that mine is not a great mind... maybe an OK mind...
 
I can attest that mine is not a great mind... maybe an OK mind...
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let's not be modest... i mean we all have great minds. afterall we all use cakewalk and not cubase for starters.... :D
 
Whoaaa
guys thanks, I gave up on this and had just come back to share my solution just discovered tonight... I'm so thrilled I can't even tell you. I gotta share this instant.

I'll type this before I read all your replies- - thanks alot by the way !

OK so I had given up on the giant guitar solo BUN issue I originally wrote about, so I could get back to recording. That was back on song # 3 of 12 I was recording my guitar parts on, for our CD. Last night I finished song #12 and eagerly got into mixing today, back to song #1.

I finished a rough mix of this song and started to save it as a BUN. Easy, right?
The % progress bar at the bottom of the screen was moving so =incredibly= slow, that I thought "this was happening again", but this time, with 9 tracks of drums and bass that were sliced and pasted off the original giant imported wave files. After about a minute the bar was only to 15% !. I stopped it. After only 15 % the BUN, I cancelled the save. And saw that it had taken almost 1 GIG of hard drive already.

I then remembered the guitar situation from before and thought, "hey I bet the entire imported wave file from all 12 songs is hitching a ride, since the WRK file is only a =reference= to the audio data" (am I right?).

So I went back into this song #1 that tonight had saved so slow & huge and did a test with the Kick drum track only. I copied and saved it to is own WRK file and then to its own BUN. The kick track all by itself was 506 Meg. But that was the size of the entire Kick Drum wave file disc I imported, for =all 12 songs= !. Hmmm...

So what I tried was this:
Delete (not slip edit) a half measure slice of flatline at the beginning of the kick track and a half measure slice at the end of the Kick track. Then selected/highlighted the whole track and went up to EDIT>Apply Trimming. Then saved the kick track BUN again and guess how big it was this time... only 25 Meg. !! I'm jumping up & down with joy at this point. So this is it, this is solved. I just need to snip the front and back of the tracks I've imported, then apply trimming. I see now that the BUN I was trying to save originally for the full song, would have been 506 meg x9 = 4.5 Gig +, with my 100 meg of guitar tracks on top of that. I was trying to save all 12 songs on one BUN basically. Once I deleted and trimmed on this Full band mix for song #1, the BUN was only 454 meg. Again, I dance with joy. I was extremely worried about these file sizes before we started this project, but now everything is good.

thanks very much for the responses. Now I'm going to read your replies!
Alan
 
Yeeess ...exactly

I should have checked back sooner

thanks again
 
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