Evans vs Remo

[Elton Bear]

Oh, yeah undoubtedly, but (and this is just speculation, feel free to prove me wrong), I would expect them to use the same heads on the PDP as the DW, apart from the really high-end kits that come with Remo or Evans on anyway.

 

[PhilGood]

People who endorse products don't have a "preference" for the product...are you that naive? Endorsements are business arrangements.... The musician, artist, athlete, actor, whatever...gets free exposure and press in exchange for their name and likeness being associated with a given product. Just because a drummer "endorses" product X, doesn't mean that's all he uses. Do you have any idea how many endorsers of drum X have a set of drum A in their basements...how many drummers endorse cymbal Z while on tour, but play cymbal B in the studio? Come on guys...wake up. You're limiting your potential because of some ink.

This is a big load of crap. I know plenty of endorsing drummers and they in fact SEEK OUT specific companies to endorse. Three of my, in this thread un-named, friends (major names, BTW) specifically play Remo because they have tried other products and keep coming back to Remo because THAT COMPANY produces a product with the consistency and sound they desire for their kits. They could endorse anyone because of a paycheck, but DON'T because THAT IS THE BRAND THEY WANT TO PLAY!

Paiste is the same way. They only accept endorsements from people who WANT to play there product, not people who will play their product because they have to.

My best friend is a former rep for DW. All the artists who are current DW endorsee's come to DW and ASK to get the endorsement because of the quality. DW will not approach someone and ask them to endorse their drums.

And all three of my above un-named friends use the same setup in the studio as they do live.

You put yourself out there like you're the ultimate authority and expert when you really have no clue. I suggest you stop it.

 

[LGriffin]

Remo Powersonic on the kick.
Evans G2 (coated) on the toms
Evans HD Dry on the snare.

 

[el_guapo]

This is a big load of crap. I know plenty of endorsing drummers and they in fact SEEK OUT specific companies to endorse. Three of my, in this thread un-named, friends (major names, BTW) specifically play Remo because they have tried other products and keep coming back to Remo because THAT COMPANY produces a product with the consistency and sound they desire for their kits. They could endorse anyone because of a paycheck, but DON'T because THAT IS THE BRAND THEY WANT TO PLAY!

Paiste is the same way. They only accept endorsements from people who WANT to play there product, not people who will play their product because they have to.

My best friend is a former rep for DW. All the artists who are current DW endorsee's come to DW and ASK to get the endorsement because of the quality. DW will not approach someone and ask them to endorse their drums.

And all three of my above un-named friends use the same setup in the studio as they do live.

You put yourself out there like you're the ultimate authority and expert when you really have no clue. I suggest you stop it.

I dunno. I think pyrrho is on to something. All three companies make good stuff, and if you're partial to one head over all the rest, it's because of the head, not who makes it, so brand doesn't matter. I think he's right. And, a huge number...like the majority...of endorsing drummers, use a product or products that are not made by the company(ies) they represent. And sometimes, we all need to be reminded Phil...

just because Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, and Peter Erskine are on your MySpace Friends list, well...it doesn't mean they're really your friends.

 

[fastisgood]

What a pointless thread, but I can't help but put in my opinion ! Attack clear thin skins rule every double ply head (and just about every single ply head), unless you're playing jazz and need a coated head for your snare. Coated heads... whoever thought they were a good idea for anything besides stirring the pot on a snare? For those of you who use coated heads: use wet heads, you know, the black ones -- Evan's makes some killer ones. Enough said.

 

[Kapo_Polenton]

For me the best snare head without a doubt was the powestroke from Remo..problem is, the damn thing wears out soo quickly and i have seen this in three heads. So I just went back to coated ambassador on the snare and like that better then the Aquarians. Aquarian on the snare I found to be too tight. The sound didn't breathe enough.

On toms:

G2 - sounded great but lost tone quick
Pinstripe - everyone says don't use em, i kind of liked them and probably will go back to them for clear heads
coated ambassador - really like these on toms
REsponse II coated - killed my sustain
Studio X - pretty good nothign amazing though

Kick

Evans EQ4 - amazing low end but not the best for double bass because sound should be shorter

Powerstroke - great tone and head, but i think i need a real double ply next. Will go either Pinstripe or EQ3.

Aquarian Superkick I - hated it.. small sounding

remo Emperor clear - also sucked, too small sounding for me

Attack kick head : balls

 

[PhilGood]

just because Dave Weckl, Steve Gadd, and Peter Erskine are on your MySpace Friends list, well...it doesn't mean they're really your friends.

Well, El Ploppo (maybe el poopo), I hate to break it to you, but these ain't "MySpace friends" by any stretch of the imagination, but real honest to God friends I have known for years! These are guys I deal with on a regular basis.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have these guys home phone numbers in my cell phone and talk to them regularly and show up at gigs and hang out with them later. I've hung out at Dave Weckl's garage studio for hours on end, have helped him fix his laptop and home network as well as helped him mic up his kit and consoled him on his recent breakup with his wife. I have known Simon Phillips for 11 years and loaned him mics for recording, edited an EPK with him that took 3 days, been with him on New Years eve in Arizona and been invited to countless private gigs, including backstage at the House of Blues in Hollywood, and was there for him after his son Rylan was born, and also consoled him when his Mum died last year. (on a side note, If Simon happens to be reading this, I hope you are doing a lot better man!) Also had to go through the grief of him being sick several times, which was scary! I've been invited to Gregg Bissonnette's house and played his kits and played with his Kids. There are many other drummers that I won't mention because it would be pointless, plus dealing with my own endorsements in the early 90's. All this just adds weight to what I've been saying. You small town boys need to stop pretending like you know what's going on. You need to also stop pretending like you know how a real studio records, or how things are really done.

So, as far as your assumption...bite me!

I've been in this biz for a long time and know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Both you and PYRRHO are full of shit.

Deal with it.

BTW, It's always funny when someone thinks they have a clue, but don't. Keep it up!

You amuse me. But also, sorry for the ego, even though I really know how things are supposed to work!

 

[Lt. Bob]

Well, El Ploppo (maybe el poopo), I hate to break it to you, but these ain't "MySpace friends" by any stretch of the imagination, but real honest to God friends I have known for years! These are guys I deal with on a regular basis.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I have these guys home phone numbers in my cell phone and talk to them regularly and show up at gigs and hang out with them later. I've hung out at Dave Weckl's garage studio for hours on end, have helped him fix his laptop and home network as well as helped him mic up his kit and consoled him on his recent breakup with his wife. I have known Simon Phillips for 11 years and loaned him mics for recording, edited an EPK with him that took 3 days, been with him on New Years eve in Arizona and been invited to countless private gigs, including backstage at the House of Blues in Hollywood, and was there for him after his son Rylan was born, and also consoled him when his Mum died last year. (on a side note, If Simon happens to be reading this, I hope you are doing a lot better man!) Also had to go through the grief of him being sick several times, which was scary! I've been invited to Gregg Bissonnette's house and played his kits and played with his Kids. There are many other drummers that I won't mention because it would be pointless, plus dealing with my own endorsements in the early 90's. All this just adds weight to what I've been saying. You small town boys need to stop pretending like you know what's going on. You need to also stop pretending like you know how a real studio records, or how things are really done.

So, as far as your assumption...bite me!

I've been in this biz for a long time and know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Both you and PYRRHO are full of shit.

Deal with it.

BTW, It's always funny when someone thinks they have a clue, but don't. Keep it up!

You amuse me. But also, sorry for the ego, even though I really know how things are supposed to work!

We need to get together someday man ..... you ever come down to Florida?

As for the drum heads issue .... once again let me state that I'm not a drummer and I have absolutely no idea about what heads are best for what, but the brand issue really applies to all the stuff we all use.
Take guitar strings ...... I know a shitload of guitar players and it's amazing how many different brands of strings are preferred by guitarists of equal ability.
I use DR Extra-Life and I only know one other guy that uses them. I have friends who use, Boomers, Elixers, Fender Bullets, Dadarrio etc etc. Each one is gonna tell you that they like how those particular strings feel and sound.
And they all do feel and sound different.
And the mental thing can't be discounted .... if, when you use a particular brand of something, you go into it with a negative or positive attitude, it'll affect how it feels to you.
All of these things are legitimate reasons to choose one brand over another for those reasons.
I feel that the same exact things are in play for choosing drumheads.
I'm not gonna judge someone as being a moron because they feel a particular product works best for them .... maybe if they're not capable of understanding that their opinion is only an opinion .....

 

[willers2]

evans

baught myself for my bass drum evans g1 vry good sound , a nice drum head not cheap but better than expensive crap remo, better then abassador series too

 

[Rimshot]

Whoa! Slow down.........

As with everything, there's good and bad to all companies.
I love Evans on my kick and Remo on my snare. Remo's new SkynDeep heads are the industry standard for heads for Middle-Eastern hand drums (my main field now) but their djembes and djembe heads really suck.
I love Evans heads (hell they're manufactured about 5 miles away from me) but the coated snare doesn't perform as well for me (especially with brushes) as the Remo coated Ambassador.
I use different companies for different things.

 

[Elton Bear]

Wow - hello old thread coming back to haunt me. Slight update FWIW - I'm now using Evans coated G2 on my Toms and an EMAD on my kick; different set of drums, they seem to work better than the remo equivalent would. As Rimshot says, there's up and down sides to each company, it's all about what works for you, your sound, your drums, your room/mics/hands/ears/sound tech...

 

[121234...]

I use Evans. I have an Aquarian SuperKick1 on my bass drum and it is the best kick head I have ever used. I used to use Remo Black Dots on my toms and they were a good hard-wearing head, unlike the Evans which tend to die more quickly in my experience. But the smooth resonance of the G2s on toms is hard to beat, especially when mixed with G1 resonants.

I treat my snare entirely differently from the rest of my set. On that I prefer the old Remo Weathermaster coated head. It sounds much more crisp than the Evans coated head, primarily because it is harder. Being harder it is more brittle and tends to wear out more quickly but the sound is hard to beat. I never use uncoated heads on the snare and have yet to try them on my floor toms, but that's just my taste.

 

[killer_deep]

I personally can't tell much of a difference between the different brands when they're making essentially the same product (e.g., G1 = Ambassador = Satin Texture Coated).

That being said, there are certain offerings from certain companies that are particularly outstanding... the Superkick I + Regulator combo for a bass drum is absolutely awesome.

S

 

[_brian_]

My voyager kit came with stock remos, clear thin things. I loved the bright tone. I bought some replacement remos & the weld was too big on the rims. It must have inhibited a good tune & they also scraped all the rims including scratching the paint off of my lovely new snare . Ended up having to use my dremel to grind the welds down. So went with evans, doesn't matter what skins I buy they never seem bright enough though - but at least they are well made.

 

[Greg_L]

remo pinstripes because im just a hack and thats what i always buy.

Not so fast my friend!

I'm now sporting mostly Evans stuff.

Kick
EMAD 2 batter/EQ3 reso.

Snares
14x5.5 Brass - Genera Dry batter/Ambassador Hazy reso
14x7 Maple - EC2 reverse dot batter/Ambassador Hazy reso

Toms - Clear EC2 batter/G1 reso

 

[Dogman]

Not so fast my friend!

I'm now sporting mostly Evans stuff.

Kick
EMAD 2 batter/EQ3 reso.

Snares
14x5.5 Brass - Genera Dry batter/Ambassador Hazy reso
14x7 Maple - EC2 reverse dot batter/Ambassador Hazy reso

Toms - Clear EC2 batter/G1 reso

Tell me about the reverse dot.....you liking it, and what does it sound like? .....ping, pop or ring?

 

[Greg_L]

Tell me about the reverse dot.....you liking it, and what does it sound like? .....ping, pop or ring?

I like it on the maple snare. It has a hint of ring without sounding like a freaking bell. Nice crack and midrange with the deep maple shell.

It's way too ringy for my brass snare though.

 

[Dogman]

I like it on the maple snare. It has a hint of ring without sounding like a freaking bell. Nice crack and midrange with the deep maple shell.

It's way too ringy for my brass snare though.

I need a new head, as that muffled one I have is pretty bad.....just a big thump and twang. I tuned it so tight I can barely turn the key, and it still just sounds like an oil drum....a really high pitched one....

 

[Greg_L]

I need a new head, as that muffled one I have is pretty bad.....just a big thump and twang. I tuned it so tight I can barely turn the key, and it still just sounds like an oil drum....a really high pitched one....

Your snare is wood right? Probably birch or maple? Try the one I'm using and see how you like it. The Remo Controlled Sound was pretty good on my maple snare too.

 

[Dogman]

Your snare is wood right? Probably birch or maple? Try the one I'm using and see how you like it. The Remo Controlled Sound was pretty good on my maple snare too.

Yeah, it's wood...cheap so I don't remember the kind. The stock one sounded better than the one with the muffling ring.