EQ!? Your thoughts please

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sosob said:
Define "loud"...does it mean when your ears hurt from adding too much volume on the EQ?
Using an EQ in this manner will only make your production one-dimensional,noisy and fatiquing to the ear - i mean..where does using an EQ actually stop?.If they're a "loud" group it should have been tracked/mixed loud then you would only need slight compression to achieve ultimate loudness.Yes, you do need a vacation.
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No need to get sarcastic.

Loud in this case means average level as high as possible.

And no, you can't just get that from loud tracking and some light compression. It takes lots of brutal compression, and most likely lots of EQ cutting, not boosting.

Most times, EQ is used to cut, not boost, just so's you know.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Saying that MEs should not use EQ is like saying that cooks should not use salt, draftspeople should not use rulers, or blacksmiths should not use anvils.

G.
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OMG... salt is good?
But seriously... if you wanna use analogies..
Cooks use salt, sure. Do you not add you own salt aswell? no? Would it be too much salt?
Like wow, do you think someday they will build audio systems with an intergrated Equalizer? :p
 
sosob said:
Simply explained, big rooms: bass. medium room: mid .small rooms:treble.
Sound balance and definition are easily achievable adding reverb.Im positive most of you have software that enables adding 'room reberb' you just have to balance it.This will add dimension and space rather than frequency volume is what you only achieve using an EQ.
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You really don't have the faintest idea about the concepts and underlying theories of audio engineering, do you?

You're talking absolute drivel.... :rolleyes:
 
fraserhutch said:
it seems you are a little unclear as to what mastering is.
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Maybe i should Ask Jeeves?
I forgot...mastering is all about fixing errors caused in tracking and mix-down. All you need is a EQ - fix it right up! LOL
 
sosob said:
I forgot...mastering is all about fixing errors caused in tracking and mix-down.
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No, it isn't, and using an EQ at mastering isn't about fixing errors, anymore than polishing a car is fixing a painting error.

Not to say some things don't need lots of polish. ;)
 
boingoman said:
No, it isn't, and using an EQ at mastering isn't about fixing errors, anymore than polishing a car is fixing a painting error.

Not to say some things don't need lots of polish. ;)
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Umm Hello? I was being sarcasmystical (new word) But im glad you argree. :rolleyes:
 
sosob said:
OMG... salt is good?
But seriously... if you wanna use analogies..
Cooks use salt, sure. Do you not add you own salt aswell? no? Would it be too much salt?
Like wow, do you think someday they will build audio systems with an intergrated Equalizer? :p
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I think you just proved yourself wrong here.
 
I also assume that you generally master your own stuff, correct? that being said, no, you shouldn't add any eq, you should go back and re-do it. but these pros here can't exactly do that when they get sent a mix, can they. if you are mastering your own shit, sure, add some compression and be done with it. this is where *home* recording enters the grey area. we all need to learn from the pros and appreciate their help but sometimes they are out of touch with what a guy is doing in his basement/garage/whatever. its no disrespect to those guys, but I think this is what you are trying to get across. I master my own stuff, and If I were to use any eq, I would definitely fugg it up. I see your point, in that context, I guess. otherwise, if I sent a mix off to a pro to get mastered, and all they did was add some compression, I would be pissed. I could do that myself.
 
boingoman said:
No need to get sarcastic.

Loud in this case means average level as high as possible.

And no, you can't just get that from loud tracking and some light compression. It takes lots of brutal compression, and most likely lots of EQ cutting, not boosting.

Most times, EQ is used to cut, not boost, just so's you know.
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I don't understand why anyone would use EQ cutting in mastering more so than EQ boosting in mastering other than it being unfinished from mix-down in which case it should be re-mixed - it's not at a finishing stage.
 
Never mind guys, he does not want to learn, and does not want to discuss, he just wants to ram his bizarre ideology down everyone's throats.

The worst part of ignorance is not knowing your ignorant, which he certainly is of mastering.

sob, if you really think you have a better way of mixing, don't argue it here, prove it to yourself by applying your theories. If you don't believe in mstering, that's ok, no one is forcing you to have your stuff mastered.
 
FALKEN said:
I also assume that you generally master your own stuff, correct? that being said, no, you shouldn't add any eq, you should go back and re-do it. but these pros here can't exactly do that when they get sent a mix, can they. if you are mastering your own shit, sure, add some compression and be done with it. this is where *home* recording enters the grey area. we all need to learn from the pros and appreciate their help but sometimes they are out of touch with what a guy is doing in his basement/garage/whatever. its no disrespect to those guys, but I think this is what you are trying to get across. I master my own stuff, and If I were to use any eq, I would definitely fugg it up. I see your point, in that context, I guess. otherwise, if I sent a mix off to a pro to get mastered, and all they did was add some compression, I would be pissed. I could do that myself.
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My point is that payed professional mastering engineers rely to heavily on using an EQ and that there are other resources available (even to you and I) that do they same job but add dimension and clarity without adding loudness.OK, granted that this is a home-recording forum - why should i talk about pro-mastering? Coz we don't need them. You're only paying for the use of their pride and joy valve EQ that you don't even need.
 
sosob said:
My point is that payed professional mastering engineers rely to heavily on using an EQ and that there are other resources available (even to you and I) that do they same job but add dimension and clarity without adding loudness.OK, granted that this is a home-recording forum - why should i talk about pro-mastering? Coz we don't need them. You're only paying for the use of their pride and joy valve EQ that you don't even need.
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What a complete load of horseshit.... does being that ignorant simply come naturally to you, or did you have to pay someone to help you??? :rolleyes:
 
sosob said:
My point is that payed professional mastering engineers rely to heavily on using an EQ and that there are other resources available (even to you and I) that do they same job but add dimension and clarity without adding loudness.OK, granted that this is a home-recording forum - why should i talk about pro-mastering? Coz we don't need them. You're only paying for the use of their pride and joy valve EQ that you don't even need.
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:p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :p :rolleyes:
 
fraserhutch said:
Never mind guys, he does not want to learn, and does not want to discuss, he just wants to ram his bizarre ideology down everyone's throats.

The worst part of ignorance is not knowing your ignorant, which he certainly is of mastering.

sob, if you really think you have a better way of mixing, don't argue it here, prove it to yourself by applying your theories. If you don't believe in mstering, that's ok, no one is forcing you to have your stuff mastered.
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This is a discussion forum about mastering.I'm hardly going to write a post asking for everyones view on the weather.I don't think you want to discuss mastering. What is your view on EQ? Do you have an opinion on mastering? Or just an opinion on me...If you have what to discuss mastering processes i would be happy to. BUT, your comment is pretty much void.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
What a complete load of horseshit.... does being that ignorant simply come naturally to you, or did you have to pay someone to help you??? :rolleyes:
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LOL..that's funny.It's not to late for you,if you change your attutude now you wont be obsolete next year.There's still hope for you!
 
so sob,

It is very true that many MEs recieve mixes that just plain suck, and yes, in a perfect world it would be nice to send them back and say, "Remix this shit." But it don't work that way. Just like most professions, 80% of the "mixing engineers" in the world - especially in this day of DAWs-in-the-box-that-any-bonehead-with-daddy's-credit-card-can-buy - couldn't mix a decent martini, let alone a decent 24-track session. All the more reason for MEs, and all the more reason MEs that have to use every tool available to them, including EQ.

It is also true that a lot of commercial CDs are mastered to have the dynamics squashed out of them and sound like crap for that reason. But thats from overuse of compression and volume, not from any use of EQ. And also, that's not the fault of the ME. You ask ANY pro ME, and to a person they will tell you they rue the modern fad of pumping up the RMS to make every song sound like a message for the Emergency Broadcast System. They are doing this at the request of the artist and/or producer, not because they themselves like it. Business is business, and they can do only so much bellyaching before they gotta do whatthe client thinks they are paying them to do.

And as far as the idea of using verb instead of EQ...take the needle out of your arm before you post, huh? They are two entirely dofferent tools for entirely different jobs. Does reverb affect the spectral shape of a song? Yes. Is that the reason to use reverb? Absolutely NOT. Can you use verb to add air to a vocal? No. Can you use verb to remove subharmonic mud? No. Can you use verb to tweak the fundamentals of two saxs doubling a line? No. In fact can you use any other tool than some form of EQ to do these things? No.

Are these things that can or should be handled in the mixing process instead of the ME? Sometimes, yes. But often times it takes another, higher-end studio and another set of ears to find such esoteric problems in recordings and perform the fine-tuning mastering work, no matter how good the mix engineer and studio are. There's a reason why since before you were even a glint in your father's eye there have been separate mixing and mastering engineers on most commercial recordings. It's not because of union contracts or any political crap like that. It's because they know that's more often than not the best way to make the best masters.

And BTW, P2P file sharing is not freeware, it's theftware. You'll find no support for that on this board.

You have been here a very short time, and I hate to come down hard on any newb, but based on the few threads you have started or to which you have responded thus far, I'd like to make the following request: send me your mailing address, I want to send you two items; a five dollar bill and a one line note. The five dollar bill is so you can go out and buy yourself a clue, and the one line note is to suggest that you study up for a while and actually learn some basic audio engineering principles before you start making an embarassment of yourself in public like this.

G.
 
sosob said:
This is a discussion forum about mastering.I'm hardly going to write a post asking for everyones view on the weather.I don't think you want to discuss mastering. What is your view on EQ? Do you have an opinion on mastering? Or just an opinion on me...If you have what to discuss mastering processes i would be happy to. BUT, your comment is pretty much void.
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It's almost impossible to discuss a topic with someone who comes in close-minded, as you have, and where that person really doesn't understand the topic at hand, and again, isn't interested in learning.

You don't want to discuss mastering, you just to argue your view. That's contradiction, not discussion.
 
sosob said:
My point is that payed professional mastering engineers rely to heavily on using an EQ and that there are other resources available (even to you and I) that do they same job but add dimension and clarity without adding loudness.OK, granted that this is a home-recording forum - why should i talk about pro-mastering? Coz we don't need them. You're only paying for the use of their pride and joy valve EQ that you don't even need.
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well I have never payed an ME. I am just curious as to why you are of they opintion that they use eq *too much*. where did this come from? did an ME fugg up your album or something? where is this coming from?
 
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