EQ!? Your thoughts please

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I don't know how I missed this thread before now.

wow ...
 
masteringhouse said:
I don't know how I missed this thread before now.

wow ...
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I was wondering where you were, Tom :) I figured you were either too smart or too disgusted to even bother jumping in ;)

G.
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
I was wondering where you were, Tom :) I figured you were either too smart or too disgusted to even bother jumping in ;)

G.
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For the first time on this forum I have no clue where to even start, I'm speechless.

Reading this thread is kinda like seeing a car wreck. You have to look and then continue down the road ...
 
The ironic thing is that the one thing that So SOB did get 100% right was at the very begining of the thread...the big red thumbs down he gave his own thread and post.

G.
 
I had missed this topic, but saw his 'Test' leaving topic and wondered what happened and why Glen was yelling at him. Now I completely see why.

This guy is really 22? I believe that as much as the crap in his posts.

And I can't imagine using reverb on any stereo mixdowns... to master anyways... Shouldn't reverb be added pre premastering?
 
Alexbt said:
And I can't imagine using reverb on any stereo mixdowns... to master anyways... Shouldn't reverb be added pre premastering?
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Well, there are some uses for verb in mastering. For example, sometimes it can be used to add a little "glue" to bring the mixed tracks together a bit, or a little reverb tail added to either a hard end or a ME-applied fade at the end of a song. Tom and John could probably come up with a couple more, perhaps.

But the whole "Tom Cruise Jumping Up And Down On The Couch Because He Hates EQ And Thinks MEs Are Quacks" crusade that So SOB is on is just beyond the pale of human decency.

G.
 
i always just ignore threads like this. but sosob was just setting himself with too many things to make fun of. i had to jump in on this one :D.

It just makes me wonder if its just some dood messing around trying to get us pissed :D. So i dont let it get to me i just try and make sure no one is falling for it.

Danny
 
darnold said:
i always just ignore threads like this. but sosob was just setting himself with too many things to make fun of. i had to jump in on this one :D.

It just makes me wonder if its just some dood messing around trying to get us pissed :D. So i dont let it get to me i just try and make sure no one is falling for it.

Danny
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I think you're right, this guy is probably a walters alter ego. If that's the case, I'll respond thusly:

Of course you don't want EQ in mastering, you're better off with a creamy, milky compressor :D
 
ilikecheese said:
you're a f***ing idiot.
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I think in this case it's OK to say 'fucking idiot' without the asterisks... unless of course you are under age 21... ;)
 
it seems like hes gone now. i can just imagine him stompin around his house right now whining to his mommy and daddy how hes the best and he will show all of us.

danny
 
SouthSIDE Glen said:
a little reverb tail added to either a hard end or a ME-applied fade at the end of a song.
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That's all that I would use it for on a stereo mix (stems another story), for example if someone cut the tail of a song too close and lost some of the ambience. While it may have been less audible in the original, after mastering the level may be brought up and the cutoff in the tail can be heard more. Trying a quick fade to correct it can sound very unnatural, so reverb may be added in that case. Also room tone may be added at the head for the same reason.

While not in the reverb category, delays may be used in mastering. Bob Katz' K-Stereo processor falls under this category from what I can tell.
 
Can a real short reverb be added to the overall stereo mix to give it a bit more "fullness"? I remember hearing this and I was wondering if it's used for this reason ever.
 
*** Wondering if the first post on this thread will one day be the main attraction in the evidence locker... ***
 
RhythmRmixd said:
Can a real short reverb be added to the overall stereo mix to give it a bit more "fullness"? I remember hearing this and I was wondering if it's used for this reason ever.
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"Fullness" is a subjective term, to me it means well-balanced in frequency not ambience.

Can it be added? Sure, you can add anything in the mastering process that you can during mixing. The question is should it be added here.

When adding reverb to an entire mix it's going to make everything sound more distant. This may have some uses in possibly choral music, classical or field recording, where the source being recorded is more of a "single unit". Though a synthetic reverb isn't going to have the qualities of recording in a great room.

OTOH, on a pop recording you will most likely want the tracks to occupy different spaces in order to acheive the perception of depth. For example, in order for the vocalist to remain up front, there would be less reverb on his track, while the drums may have more to set them back in the mix more. This effect can't be acheived when applying a reverb to the overall mix.

For this reason, it makes more sense to add any reverb during mixing when you have the individual tracks available.
 
sosob said:
Well this is the reason i posted my post. It's time for a new attitude. We get all these folk saying how great all these recordings from the 60's/70's sound but yet all these so-called wonderfully crafted albums from the 80's and 90's when EQ's were making such an impact on sound quality failed to rate. The emphesis on mastering should be on adding dimension (be it compression or other) to the already mixed music. It should be in the finishing stage, the EQ levels should be set in the mix-down process.It's no wonder music sounds so over produced these days with the attitude that using an EQ should be used to correct any errors that should have been balanced in mixing. Because, if you have to use an EQ you are correcting these "errors" which shouldnt even exist. C'mon, don't let these people sell you stuff you don't need. New attitudes please. peace!
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OK. I will change my attitude right now. Thanks dude! I have been looking for advice like this for all of my recording life. In fact, I will go you 1 more and say the mastering is stupid and should have been done in the mix.

Mastering-what a waste of time and money. Those guys are adding EQ.
 
Ok, let's see if I have this straight. Use reverb to EQ a track. So, then I should use, say, chorus to compress a track? What would I use to dither a track? Flange?
 
7string said:
Ok, let's see if I have this straight. Use reverb to EQ a track. So, then I should use, say, chorus to compress a track? What would I use to dither a track? Flange?
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Yes - exactly right!!! :p
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Yes - exactly right!!! :p
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Wow! Thanks Bruce. I'm finally clear on this! I've been doing so many things wrong up to this point but NOW I know the RIGHT way!

I'm ecstatic...

:)
 
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