Kingofpain678
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How come when I double track my guitars and pan them hard left and right they go out of phase and how do I fix it??
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mixsit
Well-known member
What do you mean out of phase? ..And 'double tracked typically means a new 2nd recording, in which case phase is random and haphazard. If two things are out of phase it would be noticed stronger generally center panned.
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
It actually apppears to get better as I pan them towards the center...
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mixsit
Well-known member
Ok, but the thing is what do you mean ? We're still short the details.
ido1957
9K Gold Member
Post 2 clips - one panned hard L/R and one centered so we can hear what you're talking about.
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RAMI
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Yes, very important. What do you mean by "double tracking"? Did you play the part twice and record each take?
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
would you also like to know what I mean by the word "left"? How about what I ate for breakfast?
Yes, I played the part twice and recorded each take separately on to separate tracks. And by panning hard left and hard right I mean that I panned one track as far left as reaper would let me and I panned the other track as far right as reaper would let me.
Then, using a phase analyzer I watched phasing problems(more info here) occur with the tracks panned hard left and hard right. BUT, As I panned them towards the center (Equally left and right), the phase analyzer showed that the tracks were "in phase".
Now maybe the phase analyzer is just stupid but normally it seems pretty accurate. So, assuming the analyzer is correct my question is (yet again), why is it that when I play one guitar part twice two separate times (I'm using an electric guitar. with strings on it.) and on two separate tracks and pan them (more info here) 100% left and 100% right, what could make them go out of phase?
If you need more information like the color of my electric guitar, the kind of pick im using, whether I wear shorts or pants while recording just let me know and I'll do my best to provide more information.
Yes, I played the part twice and recorded each take separately on to separate tracks. And by panning hard left and hard right I mean that I panned one track as far left as reaper would let me and I panned the other track as far right as reaper would let me.
Then, using a phase analyzer I watched phasing problems(more info here) occur with the tracks panned hard left and hard right. BUT, As I panned them towards the center (Equally left and right), the phase analyzer showed that the tracks were "in phase".
Now maybe the phase analyzer is just stupid but normally it seems pretty accurate. So, assuming the analyzer is correct my question is (yet again), why is it that when I play one guitar part twice two separate times (I'm using an electric guitar. with strings on it.) and on two separate tracks and pan them (more info here) 100% left and 100% right, what could make them go out of phase?
If you need more information like the color of my electric guitar, the kind of pick im using, whether I wear shorts or pants while recording just let me know and I'll do my best to provide more information.
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mixsit
Well-known member
Don't have to be a jerk about it. Lots of people come in here and say 'phase and don't know their ass from 'phase'.
I'm done.
I'm done.
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RAMI
Guest
And a lot of people think that copying a track and pasting it is "doubling". Just wanted to make that clear before trying to help.
And I would help. but I couldn't be bothered.
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
Lol @ you two pussy hurt babies. How fucking hard is it to understand "something is out of phase, let's try to get it IN phase"?
Don't ask stupid questions and I won't treat you like you're stupid.
Don't ask stupid questions and I won't treat you like you're stupid.
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RAMI
Guest
Way to prove your complete ignorance. Our questions were very relevant to answering your question. The fact that you snapped like a little bitch shows who's pussy really got hurt. Little whiner....again.
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RAMI
Guest
LOL @ you wishing you were Greg. But i guess it's to be expected that you'd wish you were anyone but your loser, talentless self.
Our questions were very relevant to answering your question. Maybe one day, if you ever learn anything about recording, you'll realize that. Probably not.
See ya, Queen of Whine.
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ykarkason
New member
if your'e such a smartass then i guss you must know that you can try flip the phase XD
there's this button in almost any DAW that just flip the phase and if you were out of phase, then you're suppoesed to be in phase.
there's this button in almost any DAW that just flip the phase and if you were out of phase, then you're suppoesed to be in phase.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
You're a funny guy.
No...but how about the number of mics, type of mics, or if different mics were used per/track...etc...and any placement differences between them...etc...?
I know you don't mention anything about mics, and one could assume it's one mic always in the same spot...but it's better to ask it/say it specifically, than to have assumption about all the detials of your setup...'cuz assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups as they say.
Which is why folks are asking specifc (maybe obvious to you) questions...they want to help, but they need clear info.
Kingofpain678
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Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
You're a funny guy.
No...but how about the number of mics, type of mics, or if different mics were used per/track...etc...and any placement differences between them...etc...?
I know you don't mention anything about mics, and one could assume it's one mic always in the same spot...but it's better to ask it/say it specifically, than to have assumption about all the detials of your setup...'cuz assumption is the mother of all fuck-ups as they say.
Which is why folks are asking specifc (maybe obvious to you) questions...they want to help, but they need clear info.
I just have an sm57 near the edge of the speaker. I didn't move the mic between takes, I just eq'd one guitar track a little differently by a few dB.
Basically all I did was record one take, arm a different track and record the same take again and panned each track hard left and right.
I keep rockwool panels all around my cab to make sure I get a fairly dry sound. I used a tascam m208 for my preamp on both takes... I have a few other pres but I like the EQ on the tascam.
As far as I know, it may not have any phasing problems at all but like I said, the phase analyzer is saying theres some weird phase issues going on. I'll post some clips here in a bit but I figured it was worth an effort to see if maybe that was a common issue or not and if not what could be causing it.
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
LOL @ you wishing you were Greg. But i guess it's to be expected that you'd wish you were anyone but your loser, talentless self.
Our questions were very relevant to answering your question. Maybe one day, if you ever learn anything about recording, you'll realize that. Probably not.
See ya, Queen of Whine.
Ha! good one there buddy. Look at you getting all uppity and defensive. Calm down retard, don't let little old me make you blow a gasket.
Sonixx
New member
The reason the two are out of phase is because they were never in phase. Two independent recordings have no phase coherence to begin with. Any phase coherence is totally happenstance.
The Wikipedia item that you referenced is not applicable for this example. It would be applicable for two mics on a single source because the resulting two tracks have a level of phase coherence.
The Wikipedia item that you referenced is not applicable for this example. It would be applicable for two mics on a single source because the resulting two tracks have a level of phase coherence.
Kingofpain678
Returned from the dead
Hmmm... I suppose, I just don't understand why it would get better as I panned both of the tracks towards the center.
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RAMI
Guest
And once again, trying to be Greg. You really wish you weren't yourself, don;t you. That's a shame.
Nah, no defensiveness here. Just watching a complete wind bag make a total fool of himself......again
I can see the vein in your forehead from here, so nice try on the trying to turn it around, it's pretty obvious who embarrassed themselves and is trying to dig themselves out of a hole. It's plain as day.