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usdn rep said:
You dont bother because you cant......Nobbody proved my wrong........HOW CAN YOU "LACK" MORALS???? Prove that wrong dumbass.........If you steal, that more or less is an issue of needs not so much of "morals"........What about "stealin is stealing and shows a lack of morals " argument....I brought up the Katrina case, and people caught a case of the "well thats different"-itis.....Bottomline you cannot debate my logic because you lack the intelligence and expirence to do so.........I basically step on your whole reality, that followin the law because you cannot think for your self is "lame"..........


I am just going to debate your "logic" by just simply saying you sound like a complete IDIOT!! You can not even type. I can not even follow what you are saying half of the time. You can lack morals by simply >LACKING< the ability to understand what's right from what's wrong. Yes, granted, depending on whatever religion you have, there may be different morals. But I am sure stealing would be seen as having a lack of morals. I think stealing, killing, etc are all seen as immoral.


Bass Master K - Just because they have a low post count doesn't mean that they can't have an opinion about closing this thread - and voice it. I am with them on that. You can add my post count to theirs. Also it isn't the fact that we are talking about piracy, it is the fact that 30+ pages and 30,000 + reads isn't doing anything but becoming REALLY ANNOYING.

I didn't post on here because I was letting this thread die. It almost was. But, this morning, I saw it was no.1 again....so here I go. Lets just let USDN and BASS MASTER K argue it out for themselves. Maybe USDN will learn some English in doing so.

You two can give me all the negative reutation you want....maybe it would get me banned from this thread. PLEASE!!!!!
 
Werewolf10 said:
ouch ,,, I did'nt really mean it like that. I did like to read about this topic, but after 30 + pages it seems pretty obvious that your not changing anyone's mind. Hence the stfu... I will rephrase " please guys your wasting your time" is that better?

If you read all 30+ pages you will see that there were a few people who did change their views on piracy because of the discussion. You just happened to join in at a time where there is one idiot who can't understand logic and yes, we are not going to change his mind. It doesn't mean the discussion should not happen.

There are plenty of threads that I have no interest in following.

I don't open them.

I don't try to tell others not to open them.

I appreciate your concern for my time management however. ;)
 
usdn rep said:
I brought up the Katrina case, and people caught a case of the "well thats different"-itis

Once again you give yourself a victory where there was none. I never said "well that is different". The person stealing food would still be wrong. The general consensus is however, that it would be looked on in a more sympathetic light than the people taking the tv's. Hell, out of all the video of the looters, there was ONE guy they showed coming out of a store with some bread. He said "I know it isn't right and I feel bad doing this, but I have to for my family." That's right...dude in the middle of it all still knows what's right and wrong. But even with it being wrong, not one of us here would deny someone doing something like that for survival. You just don't get it usdn.

I'm still waiting for your example of someone who would DIE if they did not have their stolen copy of Cubase that you excuse. I have asked this like five or six times and you still can't answer it. It is at the heart of your arguement. If you can not give me an answer then just realize that you are wrong and don't post on the subject anymore.

Then go back and read the WHOLE thread and learn something.
 
Coach_perc said:
Bass Master K - Just because they have a low post count doesn't mean that they can't have an opinion about closing this thread - and voice it. I am with them on that. You can add my post count to theirs. Also it isn't the fact that we are talking about piracy, it is the fact that 30+ pages and 30,000 + reads isn't doing anything but becoming REALLY ANNOYING.

I didn't post on here because I was letting this thread die. It almost was. But, this morning, I saw it was no.1 again....so here I go. Lets just let USDN and BASS MASTER K argue it out for themselves. Maybe USDN will learn some English in doing so.

I'm sorry man, I should have let you know since you are so new here. This bbs does not require you to read EVERY SINGLE THREAD. Ya, it's a really cool feature. You actually get to PICK and CHOOSE which threads you want to look at. For example....I see a thread titled "I can't get Nuendo to work" and since I don't have Nuendo I don't open it because I can't add anything to it. What I don't do is get on and say "99.9% of us don't have Neundo and this is a Cubase forum and you need to stop posting...I'm tired of seeing the title to your thread". I apologize because I should have let you know about this feature earlier.

Coach_perc said:
You two can give me all the negative reutation you want....maybe it would get me banned from this thread. PLEASE!!!!!

You have not recieved any negative rep from me. You don't need to be banned from this thread. You just need to quit opening it up and reading it if you don't like, or are not interested in what you see.

Peace.
 
Coach_perc said:
I am just going to debate your "logic" by just simply saying you sound like a complete IDIOT!! You can not even type. I can not even follow what you are saying half of the time.

Ad Hominem



..I was considering just not postin and hopeing that this thread will finally die, but I am in a cheery mood.

I am still confused by usdn's So-called "Logic"

I suppose by his "logic" one either has morals or does not. So one is completley Moral or totally immoral. So, if you are indeed immoral, you then Lack morals. Since being immoral is having no morals. Therefore you lack morals.
 
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seryozha said:
Ad Hominem



..I was considering just not postin and hopeing that this thread will finally die, but I am in a cheery mood.

I am still confused by usdn's So-called "Logic"

I suppose by his "logic" one either has morals or does not. So one is completley Moral or totally immoral. So, if you are indeed immoral, you then Lack morals. Since being immoral is having no morals. Therefore you lack morals.


For a distinguished latin colleague you sure spell like dog shit! :D
 
frankieballsss said:
For a distinguished latin colleague you sure spell like dog shit! :D

LOL, Well, if I was a "latin colleague" i would spell better, but since im not..I don't. It's not my fault they name logical fallacies using latin.


:rolleyes:
 
seryozha said:
Ad Hominem



..I was considering just not postin and hopeing that this thread will finally die, but I am in a cheery mood.

I am still confused by usdn's So-called "Logic"

I suppose by his "logic" one either has morals or does not. So one is completley Moral or totally immoral. So, if you are indeed immoral, you then Lack morals. Since being immoral is having no morals. Therefore you lack morals.

I think I figured it out. Let's not forget his classic quote:
"STEALING IS NOT STEALING"

I think he extrapolates that out to:
"SOMETHING THAT IS IMMORAL IS MORAL"

"I LOST THE ARGUEMENT....SO I WON THE ARGUEMENT"

"I HAVE NO VALID POINT....THEREFORE MY POINT IS VALID"

"THEY CALL ME A DUMBASS....THEREFORE I AM A GENIUS"

His bizarro-world logic can just go on and on. :rolleyes:
 
Check this out, how does a person "lack" morals???? If you are committing an action that can be viewed as immoral by yourself, you would have have morals to know it's wrong in the first place............So a "lack" in morals is a mute point.......I know some of ya'll been to college, this is something you can even learn in a classroom

When I say "Stealin is not stealin"......I mean the stigma of stealing..........There is a difference between stealin a mercedes benz for a joy ride and stealing pro tools for recording, or stealin something that can possibly better you in the future or help you survive w/o stealin off somebody in your same postion........Stealing to me is not an even playin field and ya'll agree with me in your own words.......In the case of the Katrina victims..........You "have more sympathy for some one who steals food".....And you used one example, some people would not view that as wrong at all........But nonetheless you finally see my side, You cannot look @ all thieves as thieves...........That has been my point from the beginning......Ever since my first post in this thread......There is not a clear cut case about "morals" or lack of, cause somebody who knows stealin is against the law (wrong) has to have morals in the first place.........But if they chose to go against that, well they are obviously doin what they feel is "right" for them, because they would not go against that in the first place........They also prove to have morals to themselves by goin against the law(wrong)........



I will no longer trade insults, I think my katrina example lead has proven my point......Now everybody seems to conviently twist the example around to make it evident for their own particular argument, but on the other side of your mouth, you are sayin "that is different" or "99.9% of them were were takin TV's" (like you were down there :rolleyes: ) when that has been my point the whole time "Stealin is not stealing", "a thief is not a thief" etc..........If you want to debate with me, step up to my level and be an adult........None of that "Your an idiot" shit cause honestly you are only telling me that you cannot debate my logic, your mind cannot comprehend my stance on this whole issue........Beside my insults were better anyways.............
 
I was right.... usdn actually DOES get stupider every post he makes.... unbeleivable and sad, very sad.... he honestly has no clue.... :rolleyes:
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
I was right.... usdn actually DOES get stupider every post he makes.... unbeleivable and sad, very sad.... he honestly has no clue.... :rolleyes:



Yea.....I dont....... :rolleyes:



I know you totally overlooked my invitation to debate like an adult.........You havent said anything thought provoking nor have you pointed out what makes me stupid.......You just dont agree and instead of sayin that, you take the childish way out..........
 
usdn rep said:
Check this out, how does a person "lack" morals???? If you are committing an action that can be viewed as immoral by yourself, you would have have morals to know it's wrong in the first place............So a "lack" in morals is a mute point......

The same way people lack intelligence. I believe you are quantifying Morals as an Entity that has morals. I.E. , Everyone has morals and therefore can never lack morals. But you can lack different morals. If you don't have the moral of just action, you lack that moral. Not everyone has the same morals, and so some people will lack some morals. If someone knows stealing is immoral and does it anyway...they never truly believed in that moral, they never had it, they lacked it.

I tink we have reached an argument that can never be solved. "What are morals?" "If everyone has morals, there must be some common element so that we can call them morals." "Not what they do and not what some examples are, but what exactly Are morals?"

...Stealing is a Law because it protects the people(the haves) who have stuff to be stolen from the people (the have not's) who steel stuff. Stealing is not wrong. I agree with that. But that does not mean stealing is right either.

Stealing may or may not be ultimately wrong. But in our society, it is wrong.

We are all "Lemmings", we were all "thrown into Being" and had no choice in the matter. When we die no one will ever know we existed. We will follow the vacant path down deaths road that so many billions have walked before us, unremembered.
 
usdn rep said:
Yea.....I dont....... :rolleyes:

I know you totally overlooked my invitation to debate like an adult.........You havent said anything thought provoking nor have you pointed out what makes me stupid.......You just dont agree and instead of sayin that, you take the childish way out..........
Idiot.... you haven't presented a SINGLE LOGICAL THOUGHT in which to debate anything.... when you do, maybe I'll answer, but so far -- it's nothing more than ill-conceived notions and nonsense on your part..... talk to me when you get a few more brain cells - I'll get my First Grade reader out and we can then have a conversation suitable for you level of intelligence.... (and I mean no offense to any first-graders who might be reading!)

Clueless fuckwit... :rolleyes:
 
usdn rep said:
I know you totally overlooked my invitation to debate like an adult.........You havent said anything thought provoking ..
Funny you should say that. I didn't call you any names, or abuse you or anything, but I took up on your offer to have a discussion. I notice though that my post was conviniently ignored ;)
 
noisewreck said:
You cannot view all rapists as rapists. Some of them are priests.



LOL............. tHE SITUATION ISNT THE SAME BOTTOM LINE
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Idiot.... you haven't presented a SINGLE LOGICAL THOUGHT in which to debate anything.... when you do, maybe I'll answer, but so far -- it's nothing more than ill-conceived notions and nonsense on your part..... talk to me when you get a few more brain cells - I'll get my First Grade reader out and we can then have a conversation suitable for you level of intelligence.... (and I mean no offense to any first-graders who might be reading!)

Clueless fuckwit... :rolleyes:


ONCE AGAIN, YOU CANNOT DEBATE MY LOGIC........THATS ALL THIS MEANS TO ME
 
noisewreck said:
Well, here's the thing. The issue of morality is that it's hard to define. People can argue till they're blue in the face about what's moral and what's not, and not come to a consensus. This is because there are no set standards of "morals", they change depending on culture, upbringing, beliefes (or lack thereof), so morality or immorality are really not a good basis for "shoulds" and "should nots". Plus, if we go by morality then unless a person is someone like Ghandi, then they're pretty much immoral in one respect or another, and if one denies that then that person is a hipocrite.

Is it "moral" to have more than one wife? It depends. Is it "moral" to kill and then eat someone? Well, there are still tribes on earth that practice cannibalism, in fact it is a sacred ritual for some of them. This may be abhorrent from the western "civilized" point of view, but for those tribes it's what their "god" wants them to do. (BTW it's funny how many people do some really fucked up shit just because "God" told them it was a good idea, just look at Al Qaeda and our... uh... beloved President).

Back to the subject of software piracy. Instead of "law", "morals" and all that nonsense, I think it would be more productive or perhaps more constructive to look at the issue of software piracy from the point of view of ethics, as it is much easier to define ethical standards.

A good way to define ethics is as a set of principles of right conduct. The question then becomes "what is right conduct"? A broad stroke way of looking at it would be that right conduct is one that makes social interaction easy for everyone involved, which creates an environment of trust and shared responsibility. One can also define ethics in business dealings and professional life. For example, I've been in the IT business for the past 11-12 years, most of which as systems and network administrator. This gives me immense powers and access to company data. Every IT professional at mid to high level possitions has access to all or at least most of the company data, confidential and otherwise. This means that if someone in that position wants to read a CEO's e-mail, they can. If they want to see all the payroll, they can. If they want to look at some design documents, they can. However, it is part of the ethical code (unwritten) of any IT professional, to refrain from such transgressions, unless instructed by someone in charge, and who has a good reason to do so. Without this, no company can trust their IT professionals, which would cripple the whole structure. There needs to be a level of trust.

Now, when someone develops code for a program, say a commersial soft synth, they have to be able to have the trust that they will receive just compensation for their efforts, as this is how they support themselves, their family, and business. If they don't, then it's both demoralising in a sense that it makes them feel that their efforts aren't appreciated, and jeopardises the company's well being, which can lead to bankruptcy, which means there will be no further development for a certain product. For example, i'd hate to see Native Instruments go out of business, because I really enjoy their products, and rely on them rather heavily (at least Absynth and Reaktor). When a company goes out of business, it hurts not only them, but also everyone else who relies on their product. So, overall, it is in the best interests of the general public to support those businesses. It is a case of shared responsibility, and building trust.




I never "conviently" dodge this post.....I will respond to it.....You are takin it to ethics now.........Which again proves my point, "stealin has little to do wit morals and does not mean you lack morals if you steal"....As far as the company and it's employees who are outta work....Lets be realistic.......More people buy these programs then "crack" or steal.........The prices are justified by the people who are willing to pay those prices.......Meanin the company creates the situation for crime in the first place.........Now I'm lookin @ it from the perspective of somebody who "Cracks" these programs.........I know people who have two kids, no education and other financial responsibilities and have other issuses to worry about other than payin for programs that are so high.......Music is a part of how they support their family.......So there is no issue of "lack" of morals.......A "lack" of morals suggest that they dont have the morals to be right to begin with, but they are being right to their particular situation that goes beyond music.........In your eyes, their "ethics" might be @ question, but they have so many other things to be be right to...........
 
usdn rep said:
ONCE AGAIN, YOU CANNOT DEBATE MY LOGIC........THATS ALL THIS MEANS TO ME
Easy to say when your so-called "logic" consists of nothing that could remotely be considered logical, or even substantial.... :rolleyes:
 
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usdn rep said:
I will respond to it.....You are takin it to ethics now.........Which again proves my point, "stealin has little to do wit morals and does not mean you lack morals if you steal...
There is no point to prove. I just think that talking about morals is pointless.
 
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