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Anteares said:
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This is a prime example of people who like to think of themselves as good enough to judge character simply because they agree with obeying a redundant law, as if they have never broken a law before in their lives.
If obeying laws made you good enough, there woudn't have been a need for Christ.
Obviously, theyve become so full of themselves, that instead of showing good character and encouraging you, they think mocking you and saying what good law abiding citizens they are will change the fact that you can't afford something you would like, which is the reason for your post in the first place.
Personally, I believe that if you can afford it, then you should buy something (including this program), especially if you will be using it to make money in the future. But I can't blame you for wanting to learn the program and am however sympathetic to your situation. I can't consider copyright infringment in this case stealing (according to the definiton of stealing...sharing and stealing are 2 different things regardless of what the EULA's say), but if at all possible, you should do the best you can to buy a legitimate copy if you will be using it to make money someday.
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Now that's funny.... :rolleyes:
 
Imagine what this world of ours would be like if everyone who is a poor student, someone in a lower income bracket, someone waiting for a better job or whatever decided that it would be OK just to STEAL that new car, new stereo, softwareprogram, grocerys with the intent on starting to pay for those items ( Mabe ) when thier situation improves.. Ya Right !!!!
Stealing is stealing and thats a Fact .... There's just no way to justify it .
Why should people who have paid for their software with thieir own $$$ help some cheapmotherfucking thief by answering thier questions...

If everyone had this attitude we'd all Be Fucked .. So why should the rest of us have to put up with it ..

My 2 cents
 
usdn rep said:
Womp Womp.....I did a five year strech in the army.....Only in Germany can you drink under 21..........So I dont even need to read anything you say after that.......You cant shoot shit
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That's funny because my buddy served too and unless shit changed in the last few years, he said you can drink ON BASE if your 18 at the base's watering hole. If you think that Germany is the only country in europe that lets you drink under 21 you are also wrong but like much of what you say this has little to do with the issues at hand. I guess next time I shouldn't just pick the easy shit that your messed up with, but I can tell you won't listen to reason so I hate to waste the time to write out a bunch of stuff that you will just disregard anyway. You will see how wrong you are if you just READ THE WHOLE POST.

I will now let you get back to your 'womping'. I'm sure your very good at it.
 
Bass Master "K" said:
That's funny because my buddy served too and unless shit changed in the last few years, he said you can drink ON BASE if your 18 at the base's watering hole. If you think that Germany is the only country in europe that lets you drink under 21 you are also wrong but like much of what you say this has little to do with the issues at hand. I guess next time I shouldn't just pick the easy shit that your messed up with, but I can tell you won't listen to reason so I hate to waste the time to write out a bunch of stuff that you will just disregard anyway. You will see how wrong you are if you just READ THE WHOLE POST.

I will now let you get back to your 'womping'. I'm sure your very good at it.
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DAWG....YOU ARE WRONG LIKE SHIT.....UNDERAGE DRINKIN IS A VIOLATION OF UCMJ.......Depending on your command IF you are caught.........SO I DUNNO WHAT YOUR BUDDY TOLD YOU......BUT I WAS IN.....I SAW IT WITH MY OWN EYES......SO I DIDNT READ ANYTHING YOU SAID AFTERWARDS.......THEY ARE EVEN TRYNA PASS A BILL TO GET SOLDIERS TO BE ABLE TO DRINK UNDER 21 NOW...........BELIEVE I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKIN ABOUT, I JUST GOT OUT IN OCTOBER.
 
Okay, my friend was in and I know what he told me, but I'll go with what you say. So how does someone volunteering for service and not being able to drink have to do with justifying someone stealing software? If you could make the connection I would appreciate it.

By the way if your going to respond to someone, read all of what people say. If I was to stop reading after the first incorrect thing you wrote I would have made it about two sentances in. It's only polite when carrying on a discussion.
 
Bass Master "K" said:
Okay, my friend was in and I know what he told me, but I'll go with what you say. So how does someone volunteering for service and not being able to drink have to do with justifying someone stealing software? If you could make the connection I would appreciate it.

By the way if your going to respond to someone, read all of what people say. If I was to stop reading after the first incorrect thing you wrote I would have made it about two sentances in. It's only polite when carrying on a discussion.
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No, why pay attention to somebody who has incorrect information>???? I know for a fact whatever your friend told you is incorrect......I guess maybe if he was in the navy on a ship.......But other than that, unless you are in germany, you cannot drink under 21........I can provide a link if neccessary............Anyways, my point about the underage drinking thing does not justify, but gives you an objective look @ your argument and how it sounds to me........ You are sayin stealing is stealing and a thief is a thief........And that person has no morals or is immoral........Why cause they are breakin a law???? What about somebody underage drinkin, thats breakin a law.........But they can die for they country............So are they immoral?? They do break a law.......Thats how your argument sounds to me.......That no matter what, breakin a law makes you immoral...............Bottomline..........When I'm simply sayin all you are doin by not stealin is followin a man made law, that doesnt make you a person of good character or that you have more morals then the next person......You can follow the law and be a complete shit ball...........Somebody stealin a music program is not neccesarily a person of no morals.......THERE IS A WHY behind it............I dunno what else to say......IT's said when people think they follow a law and they think they are of better character, when a law can be reversed tommorrow and you could be a person of bad character that quick based on te decision of ANOTHER MAN, not your higher being.......Unless this is a board of fatalistic atheises............
 
usdn rep said:
No, why pay attention to somebody who has incorrect information>???? I know for a fact whatever your friend told you is incorrect......I guess maybe if he was in the navy on a ship.......But other than that, unless you are in germany, you cannot drink under 21........I can provide a link if neccessary............Anyways, my point about the underage drinking thing does not justify, but gives you an objective look @ your argument and how it sounds to me........ You are sayin stealing is stealing and a thief is a thief........And that person has no morals or is immoral........Why cause they are breakin a law???? What about somebody underage drinkin, thats breakin a law.........But they can die for they country............So are they immoral?? They do break a law.......Thats how your argument sounds to me.......That no matter what, breakin a law makes you immoral...............Bottomline..........When I'm simply sayin all you are doin by not stealin is followin a man made law, that doesnt make you a person of good character or that you have more morals then the next person......You can follow the law and be a complete shit ball...........Somebody stealin a music program is not neccesarily a person of no morals.......THERE IS A WHY behind it............I dunno what else to say......IT's said when people think they follow a law and they think they are of better character, when a law can be reversed tommorrow and you could be a person of bad character that quick based on te decision of ANOTHER MAN, not your higher being.......Unless this is a board of fatalistic atheises............
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A person that uses cracked software may not like to think of themselves as a person of no morals, but the bottom line is, if you use cracked software without the intention of ever paying for it, you lack morality. Hell, if you use cracked software and do decide to eventually pay for it, you STILL LACK MORALITY.


Oh, and the rest of your post made me want to jab a hot poker into my ballsss.
 
I used to be an aspiring NASCAR driver but I didn't have the money to buy a car or parts and still pay for time at the track. So I did what anyone would do for the "LOVE" of the sport. I mean I "LOVE" racing. So, I went up to GM and hotwired myself a Monte Carlo so I could start building my racecar. I didn't have the money for a car yet but if I won a few races I would definitely have the money to invest in a car. So, whats wrong with that? I took a car from a big corporation. I didn't steal from my neighbor or anything. My buddies like to race too, so they went and got cars with me. I showed them how to hotwire it.

Oh but then my neighbor does work as an engineer for GM. Now that they had 6 cars stolen that was $45k they lost in profit so my neighbor was laid-off. But hey, i didn't take the cars from him, just some big 'soulless' corporation.

Analogy: for those who are intelligent enough to understand one

racecar driver = recording engineer
Monte Carlo = Cubase
GM = steinberg
winning races = selling albums
stealing cars = stealing software
hotwire = dongle crack
engineer = programmer

MORAL of the story: stealing anything is wrong and . . . NASCAR sucks
 
usdn rep said:
No, why pay attention to somebody who has incorrect information>???? I know for a fact whatever your friend told you is incorrect......I guess maybe if he was in the navy on a ship.......But other than that, unless you are in germany, you cannot drink under 21........I can provide a link if neccessary............Anyways, my point about the underage drinking thing does not justify, but gives you an objective look @ your argument and how it sounds to me........ You are sayin stealing is stealing and a thief is a thief........And that person has no morals or is immoral........Why cause they are breakin a law???? What about somebody underage drinkin, thats breakin a law.........But they can die for they country............So are they immoral?? They do break a law.......Thats how your argument sounds to me.......That no matter what, breakin a law makes you immoral...............Bottomline..........When I'm simply sayin all you are doin by not stealin is followin a man made law, that doesnt make you a person of good character or that you have more morals then the next person......You can follow the law and be a complete shit ball...........Somebody stealin a music program is not neccesarily a person of no morals.......THERE IS A WHY behind it............I dunno what else to say......IT's said when people think they follow a law and they think they are of better character, when a law can be reversed tommorrow and you could be a person of bad character that quick based on te decision of ANOTHER MAN, not your higher being.......Unless this is a board of fatalistic atheises............
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First off, I was goofing on you when I told you to read people's complete posts...I know you read all of my post. There is no one so stupid that when they disagree with someone and are looking to rip their arguement apart is only going to read one sentance, disagree with it and then stop reading. They are going to read the whole thing looking for everything they can disagree with to comment on. I don't think you are that stupid, but if you like you can correct me and prove me wrong.

Second, my buddy was in the navy, I thought the drinking (which has no correlation to stealing) under 21 applied to all branches of the armed forces. In addition, people VOLUNTEER for the armed forces. They understand the implications of their decisions. Whether or not they can legally drink has no tie in to buying software.

When people steal software instead of buying it, it has an effect. It means the company doesn't hire as many people, they improve and support the product in a slower manner than they otherwise could have. It can cost people their jobs. You talk about it being a matter of 'capitalism', but capitalism doesn't work if people don't purchase what they use. IF EVERYONE STOLE CUBASE, CUBASE WOULD CEASE TO EXIST. There is no disputing that. So those that steal it put the cost on the rest of us who support the program.

And you talk about these evil corporations....well how big do they have to be to justify stealing in your eyes? I have two friends who incorporated their construction business...is it okay to steal from them? How about when they have a big job and employ 10 people to work with them...is that big enough then that maybe someone could take their tools and it's all good because they are a corporation who employs people? How many people do they have to employ until it is fair for people to steal from them. Could you give us a number?

I hope that if you ever take your music to a level where you are making a living producing and/or selling it, that people would pay you for your efforts, and not steal from you, as you would advicate doing to others. It isn't the fault of musicians and software engineers that their art can be put on a medium that is easily copied. They have to rely on people believing in capitalism and people doing the right thing for them to make a living. It's messed up that so many people don't mind stealing from them because they know they won't get caught. You don't like a law, then work to change it. Just saying 'well they might repeal jaywalking laws tomorrow so it's okay to steal software today' is just stupid.
 
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Where did we end up?
Nowhere.
lol...All this because somone wanted to steal...could have ended it at..."your an idiot, go buy it"...
But that's ok, it was entertaining to read...Although I got bored after page 6...
But..Good post?.. :confused: :confused:
<-- Youngest one on this whole Site I'm assuming. & I know piracy is wrong. haha, Oh well, some will learn, some won't...but what can ya do right? :D

DjIce:D

P.S. Pointless Post, But I was Bored.
 
Codmate said:
To argue otherwise is a logical fallacy.
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Please state this fallacy.

Ad Populum

Just cause people do it for different reasons, doesnt mean you should do it.


All things that can be baught are things that can be stolen.
All things that are created are things that can be baught.
All things that can be created are things that can be stolen.

My friend, Barbara.
 
wow this is THE biggest thread I have ever seen.

Although it could have ended a long time ago if all the software stealers would just say " I know its bad but I dont give a fuck " and the anti-theft people would just admit that there not going to change anyone.
 
One thing came to mind that I read in a thread somewhere, Sometime ago that kind of made sense .. Say you are legitamitly are interested in a particular software app. You try the Demo ( If even available ) But the demo's got limitations ( Becouse its only a demo ) and the features you are interested in are disabled .. well why not tryout a full version , cracked of course .... Now that you've played with it a few weeks or whatever , you decide that is just what the doctor ordered or it sucks, or whatever .. Now you order or go buy the legal version and uninstall the cracked version. Now you have a legal version ( which you paid for ) and you can get all the support you require without having a guilty consience or having to worry about cracked software screwing up you system .. ( I personally would be woried installing cracked software on my system due to the fact i would be suspicios of something else getting installed on my system that I am unaware of that could fuck with my DAW ) I've had enough problems with Viruses, trojans, spyware in the past to be worried ) I now keep my DAW seperate from my Net PC to protect my work..
This is the only thing I think Cracked software should be used for ( If your Brave ) Of course the Honor system would have to be at work here ..
Just some of my thoughts on this ...
Holy Shit .... This is a long Thread ..
 
Bass Master "K" said:
First off, I was goofing on you when I told you to read people's complete posts...I know you read all of my post. There is no one so stupid that when they disagree with someone and are looking to rip their arguement apart is only going to read one sentance, disagree with it and then stop reading. They are going to read the whole thing looking for everything they can disagree with to comment on. I don't think you are that stupid, but if you like you can correct me and prove me wrong.

Second, my buddy was in the navy, I thought the drinking (which has no correlation to stealing) under 21 applied to all branches of the armed forces. In addition, people VOLUNTEER for the armed forces. They understand the implications of their decisions. Whether or not they can legally drink has no tie in to buying software.

When people steal software instead of buying it, it has an effect. It means the company doesn't hire as many people, they improve and support the product in a slower manner than they otherwise could have. It can cost people their jobs. You talk about it being a matter of 'capitalism', but capitalism doesn't work if people don't purchase what they use. IF EVERYONE STOLE CUBASE, CUBASE WOULD CEASE TO EXIST. There is no disputing that. So those that steal it put the cost on the rest of us who support the program.

And you talk about these evil corporations....well how big do they have to be to justify stealing in your eyes? I have two friends who incorporated their construction business...is it okay to steal from them? How about when they have a big job and employ 10 people to work with them...is that big enough then that maybe someone could take their tools and it's all good because they are a corporation who employs people? How many people do they have to employ until it is fair for people to steal from them. Could you give us a number?

I hope that if you ever take your music to a level where you are making a living producing and/or selling it, that people would pay you for your efforts, and not steal from you, as you would advicate doing to others. It isn't the fault of musicians and software engineers that their art can be put on a medium that is easily copied. They have to rely on people believing in capitalism and people doing the right thing for them to make a living. It's messed up that so many people don't mind stealing from them because they know they won't get caught. You don't like a law, then work to change it. Just saying 'well they might repeal jaywalking laws tomorrow so it's okay to steal software today' is just stupid.
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Ok.....argument........finally.......

First of all, I was sayin maybe on the navy ship possibly you might be able to drink under age......Thats one of the only military type bases tht I"ve never been to, but everywhere else, YOU CANNOT DRINK UNDER 21....It's against UCMJ................The correlation to that is breaking a law does have an effect on smoebody......Almost everything in life is a choice and somebody is gonna catch the good side of it and the bad side of it...............If the soldier didnt voluntarily go into the army.........Then we would have a draft.......which would lead to more problems.........Breakin a law does not mean you lack morality..............You are still in the military, VOLUNTEERING and others dont HAVE TO enlist.......You have some morals, you can possibly die for what ever reason your join.........But because you break a man made law, you lack morality, in your eyes is my point..........

Cubase, which is Steinberg affiliated, is obviously a musical conglomerate, you and I both know that..........You can talk about this corporation, that corportaion, but we are talkin about music companies...............That create an oppurtunity for crime in the first place.......You dont have to steal because the oppurtunity is there, but you dont excuse the identity that creates the crime oppurtunity.........These corporations can higher people, but they are in business.......PERIOD.........Stealin doesnt keep jobs away, budgeting accountants and cheap money hearted executives do........


I didnt say everybody should steal cubase, its obvious that if everybody stole it, they would be outta business..........I buy 95% of my shit cause I'm in a position to...........I'm just offering another side to all of you who say someone who steals lacks morality.......Truth is there are prolly more people willin to pay for it, but it will get bootlegged, it's 2006 damn near, you know......

As far as me being a muscian......I EXPECT PEOPLE TO STEAL/DUPE/BURN my shit...............I honestly wouldnt be mad........No artist ever has not been burned, so why would that make you any different..........



I dont see how people equate stealin music programs as a lack of morality.................Stealin is......... LAW......So I guess the victims of Hurricane Katrina should've died instead of raiding wal mart for food and other items of survival.....????? They lack morality.......???? Your morals would allow you to die over man made laws?????????? To me I just think some of you people just havent been there and passin judgement on folks cause you are in a situation to follow a MAN MADE LAW, so you feel like you have more morals then the next person...........Which is stupid........
 
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usdn rep said:
So I guess the victims of Hurricane Katrina should've died instead of raiding wal mart for food and other items of survival.....?????
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Again - you being a clueless fuckwit shows-through loud 'n clear....

Since when are the radios, TVs, and sports equipment that people were looting ever considered "items of survival", moron?

What an arse.......... :rolleyes:
 
usdn rep said:
Ok.....argument........finally.......

First of all, I was sayin maybe on the navy ship possibly you might be able to drink under age......Thats one of the only military type bases tht I"ve never been to, but everywhere else, YOU CANNOT DRINK UNDER 21....It's against UCMJ................The correlation to that is breaking a law does have an effect on smoebody......Almost everything in life is a choice and somebody is gonna catch the good side of it and the bad side of it...............If the soldier didnt voluntarily go into the army.........Then we would have a draft.......which would lead to more problems.........Breakin a law does not mean you lack morality..............You are still in the military, VOLUNTEERING and others dont HAVE TO enlist.......You have some morals, you can possibly die for what ever reason your join.........But because you break a man made law, you lack morality, in your eyes is my point..........
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You don't seem to be able to differentiate between laws based on morality and laws based on public safety. Thirty years ago, almost all states had a drinking age of 18. So would you say thirty years ago then it would NOT have been okay to steal? The problem was, that 18 to 21 year olds were not making wise decisions when consuming alcohol, and so we made laws to help protect 18 to 21 year olds, and the people who could be hurt by their actions. There is no real morality there, just safety. Same with my jaywalking arguement. A jaywalker isn't immoral, he is not being safe. There is a big difference between being unsafe and being immoral and I am suprised that you do not understand the difference.

usdn rep said:
Cubase, which is Steinberg affiliated, is obviously a musical conglomerate, you and I both know that..........You can talk about this corporation, that corportaion, but we are talkin about music companies...............That create an oppurtunity for crime in the first place.......You dont have to steal because the oppurtunity is there, but you dont excuse the identity that creates the crime oppurtunity.........These corporations can higher people, but they are in business.......PERIOD.........Stealin doesnt keep jobs away, budgeting accountants and cheap money hearted executives do........
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Steinberg started out (if memory serves me correct) as a two man operation. As people BOUGHT the program, they were able to employ more people and improve their product. As it improved, it became more popular and they were able to grow to what they are now...a business that employs about 100 people. Not some 'huge and evil' corporation...they employ a handful of people and enable them to make a living doing what they like to do. Now you are saying that Steinberg is responsible because they have created something people want, and that has "created a crime opportunity". This is the most irresponsible and unbelivable thing you have said so far. If what you say is true, then every single company, every single corporation, every single PERSON who creates a product is encouraging stealing. WFT? You believe that? A farmer who grows carrots is encouraging stealing? Pampers is encouraging people to steal diapers? A musician is encouraging people to steal because he creates music? That is the most fucked up arguement ever. They create things for people to want to BUY. That is capitalism man. I don't see how you don't get that. When someone creates something I want, I see it as an opportunity to buy something I want and support people who make cool things. You see it as creating an opportunity to steal it. Amazing how you look on life....people who create items and products are actually creating and encouraging thieves. So I guess no one should make anything anymore and that would solve the problem. Nice logic :rolleyes:


usdn rep said:
I didnt say everybody should steal cubase, its obvious that if everybody stole it, they would be outta business..........I buy 95% of my shit cause I'm in a position to...........I'm just offering another side to all of you who say someone who steals lacks morality.......Truth is there are prolly more people willin to pay for it, but it will get bootlegged, it's 2006 damn near, you know......
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If everyone shouldn't steal it, then no one should steal it. To say otherwise is hypocritical. And yes, stealing is a MORAL crime which is why there is no culture or government archetype that allows it. It is a pretty universal moral law along with not murdering people.

usdn rep said:
As far as me being a muscian......I EXPECT PEOPLE TO STEAL/DUPE/BURN my shit...............I honestly wouldnt be mad........No artist ever has not been burned, so why would that make you any different..........
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This one I hear a lot and it is spoken by someone who clearly doesn't rely on music or software purchases to make his living. If you did you would have a different attitude. Then to say that since an every artist gets burned, that you would expect to get burned too isn't the point. Would you rather you were rewarded monetarily, as you should be, for your work so you can continue to make a living doing what you love? Or would you just say "oh hell, it's cool that they steal my stuff and I can't make a living at it anymore, I guess I'll just go back to the factory and make music when I can find time"? Stealing has an impact from individuals on up through big corporations, who start small and get big because they provide something valuable enough that people want it. There is no crime in success, yet you and many people seem to have that attitude and take it as open season to steal from them.

usdn rep said:
I dont see how people equate stealin music programs as a lack of morality.................Stealin is......... LAW......So I guess the victims of Hurricane Katrina should've died instead of raiding wal mart for food and other items of survival.....????? They lack morality.......???? Your morals would allow you to die over man made laws?????????? To me I just think some of you people just havent been there and passin judgement on folks cause you are in a situation to follow a MAN MADE LAW, so you feel like you have more morals then the next person...........Which is stupid........
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This is so stupid I really can't believe you took time to write it. You know what man...I saw the videos of the looting. I don't know of one single person who would chastise someone stealing FOOD during a national freaking emergancy if that is really what it came down to for survival. 99.9% of those dumbasses were taking tv's, vcr's, toys, camera's, clothes they didn't have to have for survival but could steal because there wasn't anyone there to stop them. That was an example of what your attitude on stealing becomes when the philosophy is spread on a large scale. Were you proud, watching those people steal not out of neccessity, but because they thought they would not get caught? Is that the picture of how you think everyone should act? Is that the example that we should hold up as the pinnacle of human perfection in behavior? If EVERYONE behaved in this way every day would we be a better place or a worse place? Think about that man, because it is a very important point. If EVERYONE did it, would it make things better or worse?

BTW....when was the last time you knew of someone who was going to die if they did not steal Cubase? Think of the direction you want to see society move and then work to make it move that way. Work to make it move that way with yourself and your own actions, and don't be scared to try to talk to other people their thoughts and actions too. Too many people try to use the "what ....you've never stolen anything or done anything wrong?" arguement to excuse their own behavior. The arguement doesn't work. Of course we have all done something wrong in the past, and hopefully we learned something from it. If we don't impart the wisdom of what we have learned to other people, then we don't move forward as a people. Doing something wrong in the past does not negate someone from encouraging someone to do something RIGHT in the present.
 
Blue Bear Sound said:
Again - you being a clueless fuckwit shows-through loud 'n clear....

Since when are the radios, TVs, and sports equipment that people were looting ever considered "items of survival", moron?

What an arse.......... :rolleyes:
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Wow.....I know you are a complete dumbass now.....All you do is watch TV.....So you dont think nobody stole any food???? Were you down there??? So how do you know exactly what was stolen??????? Those people lost a lotta shit, A TV or a new pair of Jordans in another place is a good start.....Not only do you not know what morality is, you dont know what survial is about either............I have nothin more to say to you.........Dissmissed hoe
 
Bass Master "K" said:
You don't seem to be able to differentiate between laws based on morality and laws based on public safety. Thirty years ago, almost all states had a drinking age of 18. So would you say thirty years ago then it would NOT have been okay to steal? The problem was, that 18 to 21 year olds were not making wise decisions when consuming alcohol, and so we made laws to help protect 18 to 21 year olds, and the people who could be hurt by their actions. There is no real morality there, just safety. Same with my jaywalking arguement. A jaywalker isn't immoral, he is not being safe. There is a big difference between being unsafe and being immoral and I am suprised that you do not understand the difference.
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Believe me I understand........

See heres what you fail to realize......A law is man made.....Morality shouldnt be manipulated so easily by man made laws.........To me you are sayin there is a difference between laws...........Naw......a law is a law, man made and you base moraility on laws.......

Second of all, We arent talkin about 18 year olds in general..........We are talkin about 18 years THAT CAN LOSE THEIR LIFE FOR THE COUNTRY....................An 18 year old can be rational enough to lose their life, but not rational enough to have a drink.......Yet thats public safety?????......Okay then, flip the whole scenario, up the age of enlistment to 21......See what type of problems that creates..............I can guarentee you one thing, at the very least a draft will have to be created.......Which creates public safety issues as well (public panic, crime rate rises...etc.)............... Bottomline is dont judge morals on man made laws, base your morals on the "why" and expirence.......


Steinberg started out (if memory serves me correct) as a two man operation. As people BOUGHT the program, they were able to employ more people and improve their product. As it improved, it became more popular and they were able to grow to what they are now...a business that employs about 100 people. Not some 'huge and evil' corporation...they employ a handful of people and enable them to make a living doing what they like to do. Now you are saying that Steinberg is responsible because they have created something people want, and that has "created a crime opportunity". This is the most irresponsible and unbelivable thing you have said so far. If what you say is true, then every single company, every single corporation, every single PERSON who creates a product is encouraging stealing. WFT? You believe that? A farmer who grows carrots is encouraging stealing? Pampers is encouraging people to steal diapers? A musician is encouraging people to steal because he creates music? That is the most fucked up arguement ever. They create things for people to want to BUY. That is capitalism man. I don't see how you don't get that. When someone creates something I want, I see it as an opportunity to buy something I want and support people who make cool things. You see it as creating an opportunity to steal it. Amazing how you look on life....people who create items and products are actually creating and encouraging thieves. So I guess no one should make anything anymore and that would solve the problem. Nice logic :rolleyes:
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iT'S NICE that they started that way, but fact of the matter is THE CREATED A OPPURTUNITY for crime......PERIOD.......If the idea never takes off, stealin/ illegal downloading/crackin would not exist........You cant deny that..........Thats like a supermarket opens up in your neighborhood, they bring an elment for shoplifting and armed robbery, solitciting and panhandling......Period, it comes wit the territory......After a while they grow and grow........ People who buy into the product justify the cost........But the love is free.....So you can say it's irresponsible, but it's reality......You cannot dispute the logic, they create the oppurtunity for crime...........They are a corporation to make MONEY..........IF they honestly wanted to be nice people, they would give the shit away, but goes back to my logic, this is america, the idea is to "captiolize"......I apologize if I live in a real world and you dont................



If everyone shouldn't steal it, then no one should steal it. To say otherwise is hypocritical. And yes, stealing is a MORAL crime which is why there is no culture or government archetype that allows it. It is a pretty universal moral law along with not murdering people.
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WOW.......it's not hypocritical..........My point for stealin the program is that you might not be in a sitaution to afford it..........But that shouldnt keep you from indulging in music via computer programs....................I can afford it, but why should the next man not acquire the program if he cant or has other responsiblity???????

What I bolded is a complete joke.........................

Capitol punishment still exist in America......and America CONTINUES STEALS foriegn land AND MURDER PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES ..........But it's universally moral to not do those things and no culture or archtype supports it.... :rolleyes BUT A PERSON WHO STEALS A MUSIC PROGRAM HAS NO MORALS......................:rolleyes: Lemming mentality.... Thats why you shouldnt let a law dictate your idea on morals................The government officials who make the laws that govern your morals are human like you and I, they just hide behind the laws why people like you take them in as your way of morals............


This one I hear a lot and it is spoken by someone who clearly doesn't rely on music or software purchases to make his living. If you did you would have a different attitude. Then to say that since an every artist gets burned, that you would expect to get burned too isn't the point. Would you rather you were rewarded monetarily, as you should be, for your work so you can continue to make a living doing what you love? Or would you just say "oh hell, it's cool that they steal my stuff and I can't make a living at it anymore, I guess I'll just go back to the factory and make music when I can find time"? Stealing has an impact from individuals on up through big corporations, who start small and get big because they provide something valuable enough that people want it. There is no crime in success, yet you and many people seem to have that attitude and take it as open season to steal from them.
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I understand takin money out of your pocket and food outta your mouth, BUT IT COMES WITH THE TERRITORY......Everybody does not think like you.....Nor does everybody give a fuck about your well being........My point is I would actually expect it.....I'm not sayin "Hey, go steal my shit", but I'm not gonna act like it wouldnt happen......Every artist that has released music out to the public has been burned, illegallly downloading, flat out not paid every fuckin cent for their work..............I'm not sayin it's open season, I buy most of my music from a store, but I'm not about to buy EVERYTHING......I mean have you paid for every song/cd that you own??? I doubt it.......You have a dub here, or an underground release or a loose mp3 or a borrowed tape/vynal here or there........You are an artist, a musician, YOU WILL NOT BE FULLY COMPENSATED FOR ALL YOUR WORK!!!!!!!!! That is not realistic......So dont put words in my mouth or twist my thoughts to make them convient for your argument, I never said it was "open season".....I'm sayin the shit happens.........








This is so stupid I really can't believe you took time to write it. You know what man...I saw the videos of the looting. I don't know of one single person who would chastise someone stealing FOOD during a national freaking emergancy if that is really what it came down to for survival. 99.9% of those dumbasses were taking tv's, vcr's, toys, camera's, clothes they didn't have to have for survival but could steal because there wasn't anyone there to stop them. That was an example of what your attitude on stealing becomes when the philosophy is spread on a large scale. Were you proud, watching those people steal not out of neccessity, but because they thought they would not get caught? Is that the picture of how you think everyone should act? Is that the example that we should hold up as the pinnacle of human perfection in behavior? If EVERYONE behaved in this way every day would we be a better place or a worse place? Think about that man, because it is a very important point. If EVERYONE did it, would it make things better or worse?
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YOU FINALLY SEE MY SIDE OF THINGS AND THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYNA GET ACROSS TO SEVERAL OF YOU............STEALING IS NOT STEALING.......YOU EVEN SAID IT IN SO MANY WORDS HERE...............YOU AND SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE SAID STEALING IS MORALLY WRONG AND SHOWS A LACK OF MORALS, BUT WHEN YOU ARE IN A SITUATION OF NEED , MORALS ARE THROWN OUT THE WINDOW........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (IN OTHER WORDS, STEALING IS A SITUATION OF NEEDS MORE THAN MORALS) THAT IS AND HAS BEEN MY POINT FOR THE LONGEST TIME...............!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND HOW DO YOU KNOW THE % OF PEOPLE STEALING TV'S AND SHIT LIKE THAT, WERE YOU THERE??? YOU ONLY GO BY WHAT THE MEDIA SHOWED AND DIDNT THINK FOR YOURSELF.......ANOTHER LEMMING TRAIT...........I'VE DEALT WITH THESE VICTIMS FIRST HAND AND YOU WOULDNT EVEN BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND..............STEALING THOSE TVS MIGHT HAVE HELPED YOU START YOUR LIFE OVER IN ANOTHER PLACE.....BUT THE MEDIA IS BIASED AND SHOWS WHAT THEY WANNA PORTRAY............AND YOU BEING THE LEMMING, YOU WOULDNT UNDERSTAND HOW STEALING A TV WOULD BE SURVIVAL.......YOU DONT KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WAS STOLEN FOR WHAT REASON AND HOW IT WAS USED.......



YOU PROVED MY POINT FOR ME WITH THIS PARAGRAPH YOU TYPED RIGHT HERE. EVAULUATE WHAT I SAID AND THINK ABOUT IT, LET IT MARINATE AND IF YOU ARE AN OBJECTIVE PERSON WITH A FAIR AMOUNT OF LIFE EXPIRENCE AND A GOOD SENSE OF REASONING, YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND MY POINT OF VIEW AND LOOK AT YOURS AND SEE YOUR FLAWS
 
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