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[corban]

First, nobody here is talking about laws overriding morality. Obviously there are times when one's morality will supercede the law, such as in Nazi Germany, or even with the drinking age. (In Canada it's 18 or 19, which makes so much more sense) However, overriding the law is a heavy thing to do, and can be dangerous if you just go around using that for everything. A serial murderer could justify his actions using that logic. So before using situational ethics to override the low, you obviously have to apply to a strong universal morality, and you have to check that carefully in each situation.

In this situation the strong universal morality says that stealing is wrong. There is the ONE exception to that rule, which is that when your very existence is at stake, when your life is in danger and your basic physical needs for survival are not being met, then it is OK to steal the items that will meet those needs. However, this is very rarely actually the case. Even a homeless person can really not subscribe to this, because there are always food banks and shelters to go to. Hell, when people try to bum money off me I always offer to buy them some food instead.

So the only real cases we might actually see of such a situation of genuine need for survival in the first world is like in New Orleans, where the stores aren't open and people can literally not get any food. If the store owners were there, they would most likely give it away. This is one of those very rare cases where the people genuinely need the items for their survival. Of course, the tvs and vcrs and everything, it's not OK to steal that. They don't need it for their survival. They're actually taking advantage of a horrible situation, using the truly needy as an excuse to steal. Do they need those things? No. Maybe they can't afford it, and that's why they're stealing it, but does that make it OK to steal it? Nope. They're just stealing because the opportunity to get away with it exists. Obviously you can see that this is horribly and morally wrong, correct?

Well sir, that is the answer to your whole post. People steal software because the opportunity to get away with it exists. It is exactly the same. It's wrong for people to steal electronics in New Orleans, just like it's wrong for people to steal software. Nobody needs that stuff for their survival. Don't give me this "I'm a musician I need it for my survival" crap, go get a second job. Nobody NEEDS software.

 

[Bass Master "K"]

usdn....you just don't get it man. Your response to my last post shows just how far out there you are. Ya, I'm sure the people stealing widescreen tv's in New Orleans needed them for survival. Give me a break. You can't even differentiate the difference between a time of national emergency and everyday life. You wouldn't even respond to me asking you if you looked at those people taking appliances and toys and clothes they didn't need and if you thought that was the hight of human behavior...if that is how everyone should act on a daily basis. How would you have felt if they were walking off with your studio gear with smiles on their faces? Would you still feel good about their thieving? When was the last time you met someone who could not live unless they had Cubase? How many people can afford a computer to record with, but can't afford free, or cheap software to record with? You can't answer any of these questions because then you have to admit that your view just doesn't work.

It's sad really. Just another example of someone selfishly looking out for only himself and and how he can 'get over' on other people regardless of the impact it has on society. I'm sorry that your parents did not do a better job of teaching you the importance of personal accountability and behaviour and the impact it has on society and the future of society in general. I hope that if someone with your lack of values breaks into your studio and cleans it out, that you have the same understanding attitude with them as you do with other thieves. Something tells me you won't.

 

[usdn rep]

usdn....you just don't get it man. Your response to my last post shows just how far out there you are. Ya, I'm sure the people stealing widescreen tv's in New Orleans needed them for survival. Give me a break. You can't even differentiate the difference between a time of national emergency and everyday life. You wouldn't even respond to me asking you if you looked at those people taking appliances and toys and clothes they didn't need and if you thought that was the hight of human behavior...if that is how everyone should act on a daily basis. How would you have felt if they were walking off with your studio gear with smiles on their faces? Would you still feel good about their thieving? When was the last time you met someone who could not live unless they had Cubase? How many people can afford a computer to record with, but can't afford free, or cheap software to record with? You can't answer any of these questions because then you have to admit that your view just doesn't work.

It's sad really. Just another example of someone selfishly looking out for only himself and and how he can 'get over' on other people regardless of the impact it has on society. I'm sorry that your parents did not do a better job of teaching you the importance of personal accountability and behaviour and the impact it has on society and the future of society in general. I hope that if someone with your lack of values breaks into your studio and cleans it out, that you have the same understanding attitude with them as you do with other thieves. Something tells me you won't.

I'm far out there.....LMAO.......................First of all, do you know the level of poverty that was in N.O. after the disaster.....I dunno what city you are from or if you ever been to N.O., but it's a big enough city.......picture the whole city being wiped out......Your TV gone, food gone, car gone.........Your PC gone.........All of that gone........if you had it in the first place.......Now picture you being left stranded or unable to get out.........You dont know what is goin to happen next........So why wouldnt you steal something THAT HAS VALUE.....!!!......You my friend dont know too much about survivial I see.........You could possibly take a TV and venture off to another city and sell that tv and begin to get your life back together........My whole point is stealin is not stealin.........You and several other people keep sayin a thief is a thief and stealin is stealin........Yet, in so many words, YOU AGREE STEALING IS NOT STEALING!!!!!!! That has been my whole point...........Stealin has little to do wit morality......it has to do with needs.................



Who says I stole???? See, another case of twisting my words up.......I'm not promotin stealing, I have never cracked a music program in my life..........I've bought every music program I own..............I'm just being objective and offering a REAL POINT OF VIEW..............It just so happends to counter your point so now you wanna look @ ME as a thief.........LMAO.............So all those wack insults about my parents this that and the third are very irrelevant...........Your mad cause you proved my point.....STEALING IS NOT STEALING AND HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WIT MORALS.........

 

[corban]

Ok, read my post and listen up. Stealing has everything to do with morality.

 

[fraserhutch]

I'm far out there.....LMAO.......................First of all, do you know the level of poverty that was in N.O. after the disaster.....I dunno what city you are from or if you ever been to N.O., but it's a big enough city.......picture the whole city being wiped out......Your TV gone, food gone, car gone.........Your PC gone.........All of that gone........if you had it in the first place.......Now picture you being left stranded or unable to get out.........You dont know what is goin to happen next........So why wouldnt you steal something THAT HAS VALUE.....!!!......You my friend dont know too much about survivial I see.........You could possibly take a TV and venture off to another city and sell that tv and begin to get your life back together........My whole point is stealin is not stealin.........You and several other people keep sayin a thief is a thief and stealin is stealin........Yet, in so many words, YOU AGREE STEALING IS NOT STEALING!!!!!!! That has been my whole point...........Stealin has little to do wit morality......it has to do with needs.................

Theft is theft. It is still wrong. Now, you can RATIONALIZE it, and it may be condoned in CERTAIN instances, but it is still theft. And that is what does not seem to register with you.

NO ONE OTHER THAN YOU has ever stated that theft is not theft.

Who says I stole???? See, another case of twisting my words up.......I'm not promotin stealing, I have never cracked a music program in my life..........I've bought every music program I own..............

You did. Unless you consider 5% = 0%.

I didnt say everybody should steal cubase, its obvious that if everybody stole it, they would be outta business..........I buy 95% of my shit cause I'm in a position to...........

I'm just being objective and offering a REAL POINT OF VIEW..............It just so happends to counter your point so now you wanna look @ ME as a thief.........LMAO.............So all those wack insults about my parents this that and the third are very irrelevant...........Your mad cause you proved my point.....STEALING IS NOT STEALING AND HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WIT MORALS.........

It has everything to do with it, but since you've already demonstrated that your morals are comromised, how could we expect you to understand that?

 

[Bass Master "K"]

Your mad cause you proved my point

Nope, not mad in the slightest. A little disappointed that you don't GET the point, but not mad. But the more you talk, the more apparent it is that you can not elevate your thinking beyond the concrete level and see things in a broader sense of what is right and wrong. You ignore the points that many people here have made and just continue on your diatribe like the little boy who covers his ears and shouts "naa naa naa...I can't hear you". There is obviously no reasoning with you although I think it is clear it would near impossible to reason with someone who could write this.

.....STEALING IS NOT STEALING AND HAS VERY LITTLE TO DO WIT MORALS.........

I guess it sums up your logic. The scary part is you believe it. Stealing is not stealing. Classic.

 

[usdn rep]

Theft is theft. It is still wrong. Now, you can RATIONALIZE it, and it may be condoned in CERTAIN instances, but it is still theft. And that is what does not seem to register with you.

NO ONE OTHER THAN YOU has ever stated that theft is not theft.


You did. Unless you consider 5% = 0%.


It has everything to do with it, but since you've already demonstrated that your morals are comromised, how could we expect you to understand that?

Theft is wrong by law.......NOT MORALLY.......People have already proven it for me.............

BTW.....
I said I get the other 5% of my music equiptment for FREE!!! I never said I stole, stop twisting my words..............I might get hooked up or kno somebody, but I dont steal..........I just dont look down on those who do depending on the particular reason for stealing..............


My morals are not compromised..........Far from it.....I have very strong morals.....I'm a person that explores the WHY as oppose to the IT that is shoved down our throats........That's the difference between you and I...............Theft does not mean you lack morals......That has been my whole point and It's funny to see everybody come out the wood works with replies now that I bring a more concrete example when stealing is not stealing and you all are tryna twist shit up to make the example work conviently for your argument ("well 99% of them stole tvs,I saw videos".......or how bout this one "Morals are out the window when theres a national emergency".................)......But none the less, you prove my point, STEALING IS NOT ALWAYS STEALING............It has nothin to do wit your morals.......So it's okay when everybody does it, but if you have a personal emergency or other responsiblities, it's not cool........More lemming shit........

 

[corban]

Definitions of morals on the Web:

ethical motive: motivation based on ideas of right and wrong
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Morality is a system of principles and judgments based on cultural, religious, and philosophical concepts and beliefs, by which humans determine whether given actions are right or wrong. These concepts and beliefs are often generalized and codified by a culture or group, and thus serve to regulate the behaviour of its members. Conformity to such codification may also be called morality, and the group may depend on widespread conformity to such codes for its continued existence. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morals

ethics, the codes, values, principles, and customs of a person or society.
www.carm.net/atheism/terms.htm

Modes of conduct that are taught and accepted as embodying principles of right and good.
www.ethicsscoreboard.com/rb_definitions.html

The accepted standards of right and wrong that are usually applied to personal behavior.
highered.mcgraw-hill.com/sites/0072480823/student_view0/glossary.html

OK, son? Here we are deciding when it is OK or not OK to steal. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! I already had you admit that before. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! IT'S A MORAL ISSUE!

Saying it isn't is just plain stupid.







Oh yeah, and read my above post and reply to it with some sense, son.

 

[usdn rep]

Nope, not mad in the slightest. A little disappointed that you don't GET the point, but not mad. But the more you talk, the more apparent it is that you can not elevate your thinking beyond the concrete level and see things in a broader sense of what is right and wrong. You ignore the points that many people here have made and just continue on your diatribe like the little boy who covers his ears and shouts "naa naa naa...I can't hear you". There is obviously no reasoning with you although I think it is clear it would near impossible to reason with someone who could write this.



I guess it sums up your logic. The scary part is you believe it. Stealing is not stealing. Classic.

LMAO.....Is that the only reply you can muster up??????? You already proved my point......Stealing is not stealing.......I understand your logic and called you on it, you area lemming........You said "99.9% of those dumbasses were taking tv's, vcr's, toys, camera's, clothes they didn't have to have for survival but could steal because there wasn't anyone there to stop them"...................You never replied to the question, "were you down there"......Meaning to me you took what the media showed you are truth.........Which to me is the same logic as stealing, you took what somebody told you as a law and how that ties in to your morals instead of forming your own thoughts.......I bet you thought Robin Hood was a low life..............


You also said "And yes, stealing is a MORAL crime which is why there is no culture or government archetype that allows it. It is a pretty universal moral law along with not murdering people."


Thats something else a lemming would say.....America does the same thing...........Only they invent laws to tell common people whats wrong, but they do the same thing and these are the laws you follow.....Not only that, but the logic in quotation marks is way off........Stanly "Tookie" Williams dies tonight @ the hands over California Government...............Yet it's morally wrong to murder universally................Also, American government stole Iraq from the natives, but only put a bullshit ass reason behind it...............Which had no truth to it........But yet no culture in the world allows it.............But they indulge in it.............


My friend, I've really only pulled your card, you are one of those folks that think you are better than somebody cause you follow a law...........You were foolishly led to believe A CRIME is morally wrong..........When crimes/laws are man made and really a matter of standards implemented by opinions of other human beings................ I actually understand what most of you are sayin, but none of you obviously been in a posistion to have to survive.........or at least do something "considered" underhanded by somebody else..............






Stealing with a certain reason behind it does not lack morals..........

 

[usdn rep]

OK, son? Here we are deciding when it is OK or not OK to steal. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! I already had you admit that before. IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! IT'S A MORAL ISSUE! IT'S A MORAL ISSUE!

Saying it isn't is just plain stupid.







Oh yeah, and read my above post and reply to it with some sense, son.

You still havent proved your point........matter fact, you prove my point even more

 

[corban]

Originally Posted by corban
You agree that robbing an 85 year old woman would make you a low life. THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT!

Right, I did make a moral judgement............

It's a moral issue. What have I not proven? Try using some logic in your statements.

 

[frankieballsss]

Originally Posted by corban
You agree that robbing an 85 year old woman would make you a low life. THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT!



It's a moral issue. What have I not proven? Try using some logic in your statements.

I'd be interested in hearing USDN's take on logic. Oh wait a minute.....that would be another 30 page excursion of him blabbering and contradicting himself.

 

[usdn rep]

Originally Posted by corban
You agree that robbing an 85 year old woman would make you a low life. THAT IS A MORAL JUDGEMENT!



It's a moral issue. What have I not proven? Try using some logic in your statements.

I'm passin a moral judgement cause you are takin from somebody frail, not because you are stealing........Like I said, the WHY............


How are you showing a lack of morals by stealing???????? How would you know that stealing is wrong in the first place???

 

[corban]

Because what you consider right and wrong is decided by what your morals are. That's the definition of morals, as I quoted above.

 

[usdn rep]

Because what you consider right and wrong is decided by what your morals are. That's the definition of morals, as I quoted above.

But how do you "lack" morals......You still havent proved that point........Stealing is wrong to you..........But to another person it might not be wrong........Neither person "lacks" morals.............

 

[usdn rep]

I'd be interested in hearing USDN's take on logic. Oh wait a minute.....that would be another 30 page excursion of him blabbering and contradicting himself.

Yea nobody here contridicted themselves.......quit teh bullshit, if you dont agree, you dont agree, but quit the bullshit like I aint break shit down to you lemmings.........You all are followers............Simple and plain

 

[Bass Master "K"]

Now I understand usdn's thinking...

"Stealing isn't stealing." Hmmmmmmmmmm....

"Everyone has proven my arguement wrong, but I won't address it, so that means I'm right!" Ahhhhhhh.....

"When they make good points I will say they have never had to survive in the world. Then I will call them lemmings....yes...lemmings that will really show them. Maybe then they won't notice that I can't address most of their points."

It is all getting clearer now.

If you hadn't joined 6 months ago I'd accuse you of being a troll. I hope one day you come around to caring about what is better for the future of society as a whole than what makes you happy for today.

 

[usdn rep]

Now I understand usdn's thinking...

"Stealing isn't stealing." Hmmmmmmmmmm....

"Everyone has proven my arguement wrong, but I won't address it, so that means I'm right!" Ahhhhhhh.....

"When they make good points I will say they have never had to survive in the world. Then I will call them lemmings....yes...lemmings that will really show them. Maybe then they won't notice that I can't address most of their points."

It is all getting clearer now.

If you hadn't joined 6 months ago I'd accuse you of being a troll. I hope one day you come around to caring about what is better for the future of society as a whole than what makes you happy for today.

^^^^^
The childish way of sayin you cant debate my logic..............You twisted my words.........That didnt work for you.....You debated my logic head on proved my point........IN YOUR OWN WORDS........You lost buddy.........

 

[seryozha]

Heres what im hearing in the argument..


All laws are man made.
No morals are man made
//No morals are laws

?
If thats not correct, its probably because much time was spent employing Ad Hominem.

And if you dont know what that means, you shouldn't be talking about logic.

 

[frankieballsss]

Seriously usdn, you are fubared. Heres three simple steps for you -

1. Read the thread over again from the beginning.

2. Realize your posts hold no ground and wonder why you weren't aborted.

3. Eat a pint of ben and jerrys and cry yourself to sleep.