SouthSIDE Glen said:
Physical or not, property is property. Software DOES have actual monetary value, and when it's stolen, that's theft of service or theft of labor.
If you fixed my car by pulling dents, rotating the tires, brushing out the interior, etc.; all work which involved no parts replaced or installed, and then I just told you to fuck off, I'm not paying you the labor costs, there's no monetary value in what you did because you put nothing in the form of physical value into the car, you'd call me a thief.
If you were a speechwriter for a living and I took a copy of your speech that you were selling for some amount of money and used it to my advantage to make money and told you your speech was worthless because it was just words, just information, and therefore had no value, you'd call me a thief.
The thing is, while your comparisons are MUCH better than the usual stealing a car or ripping off gear at music stores comparison, you have to realize that you are still talking about someone doing one specific job per unit sold. They don't re-develop the software for every single disc printed. You know what I'm saying?
SouthSIDE Glen said:
And when you call companies that you steal from regularly like Steinberg, Waves, Sonic Foundry and Cakewalk "big media companies", that's proof that you haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about. They are a lot smaller, and have a lot bigger bills than you think. Your average local Wal*Mart store has more employees than your average software company. On top of that, the audio software company only sells a tiny product line to a fairly small market instead of thousands of products to the entire general public, and has an average employee salary of over $50K instead of a bunch of GEDs and retiries working for minimum wage plus. Add to that the fact that these companies only exist because their operating costs are paid for by seed money and loans (typically in the $10M - $30M range) from VCs and other financial institutions, and have to keep sales revenues going just to pay those loans and monthly bills.
You don't really listen to what people say, do you? Never said that man. The only software company in cahoots with any media is probably Adobe that I know of, and even that from what I've seen is very distant. I've said over and over again to you that there's a big difference between software developers and big media, and I have a different set of ethics for each industry. You might have selective reading, not sure why you make the exact opposite connections to what I say. Also, I don't have any software from any of the companies you mentioned (I'm a mac guy) also man, I DO buy software. I have some software that is pirated, but my general mindset is as soon as I can afford it, I support the creator by purchasing it. There are a few pieces of software that I think are grossly overpriced and will probably never buy (such as the adobe creative suite...HOLY CRAP!), but hey if I ever have the means to drop that much money I'd buy it...great suite of software. I do have a good ethic with software as well as music. I support the creators of the software as much as I am able. Anyway, you're really reaching for stuff here Glen. Big media is big media, software companies are software companies. Never even alluded to there being a connection between the two.
SouthSIDE Glen said:
BTW, I don't hear any of you conspiratorial anarchist slackers complaining that a UA or a Manley hardware box costs ten times more than an Alesis or a Behringer when the actual cost in physical materials are fairly the same. Why? there is only one reason why. Because the hardware is too hard to steal, so you accept the fact that if you want the good stuff that you gotta earn it.
I often do. Music and audio gear is REDICULOUS! You know what? I almost never buy new gear (unless it's computer related). These companies charge an arm and a leg for their gear simply just because they can, and frankly that's wrong. So, that is my rebellion, as little as it really matters anyway, I buy used gear pretty much exclusively (why the hell not? People usually take care of their music gear better than their own children). MUCH cheaper, and I've never been burned on a piece of gear yet.
SouthSIDE Glen said:
Grow up, get a job, and work for a living. Only then will you ever come close to understanding the true definition of value and stop coming up with lame excuses and false religions for stealing toys that you want but don't really need and certainly can't afford.
And finally, again you ignore selectively things people say (no wonder you can know some of the facts of reality and deny it's truth). You obviously ignored my response to your first moronic pre-planned, pompous, and downright rude script you repeated on this subject. So much for your abstinance from chest pounding half-wit banter, that lasted a whole, what, three posts? I was just waiting for master Glen to tell me how it is (HA!). I just knew it, it's your charactor.
So, my response to you is: Fuck you for your condescending attitude. I work very hard for a living, and provide very well for my family, you dipshit. I am far more motivated than most people, for your information. I've lived a life that people like you could only imagine. Next time, instead of making yourself look like a dumbfuck who doesn't understand half of what people say to them, READ BEFORE YOU REPLY! You come accross as condescending because you are. You are not the center of the universe, and like almost everyone in the earth, myself included, you matter about as much as a silent fart coming out of a dogs ass. A humble attitude would do wonders for you. In short: Go fuck yourself, you rude, condescending, self-important, ego-centric prick.
Have a nice day.
oh and P.S. to the cowardly (see? I dun actually used du wurd currectly) little shit who keeps neg repping me for no fucking good reason. Grow a brain, and realize that if someone dissagrees with you, it's OOOO KAAAAY! That's how you get to a thinking level above a common monkey, discussing beliefs with everyone, people you dissagree with, as well as the like-minded. And while your at it, grow a set of balls and a dick you sniveling little worm, and sign your neg reps, instead of hiding.
