Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[Steve Henningsgard]

Does it count as spamming if he keeps on posting the same message over and over again?

"This message is hidden because TerraMortim is on your ignore list."

 

[Crumbles]

That is an interesting viewpoint. Again someone doesn't understand humour, or sarcasm, unless it's spelled out before hand. I am simply pointing out the rediculousness of strictly black and white thought. What I said was completely black and white and didn't make logical sense, just the same as saying it is in all cases stealing to get something for free that is available for purchase.

Think before you speak Danny.

Doesn't matter what you were trying to say, what you said still makes you look like a retard.

 

[TerraMortim]

Doesn't matter what you were trying to say, what you said still makes you look like a retard.

Obviously another smart one. We're full of them here! No wonder all of you are hard at work working professionally on music and not spending all day trolling people on internet forums. You really should try intelligent thought some time. It can surely make your life more worthwhile than the mindless drivel that it no doubt is. I am attempting at intelligent debate, which you obviously are not mentally advanced enough to understand. Go watch some American Idol, and Survivor, and quit harrassing people who wish to actually use concepts and disscusions that are above a second grade level. That kind of reality TV nonsense is made just for people on your level of intellect.

 

[oroboros]

The whole thing comes down to if the company is going to lose profit from someone using a pirate copy when they never would have paid for it in the first place. NO. The person may be morally wrong and going to burn in fiery Hell right along side Satan and Darwin, but there's no way of proving any of that so who cares.

And the whole Porshe argument you keep coming back to doesn't hold up here. Stealing physical property is not the same as stealing intellectual property.

Say you paint a picture (physical property) it's one of a kind and someone comes and steals it then you're never going to be able to replace it and you lose something of value.

BUT if you take a picture with your digital camera and print it out (intellectual property) it's just 1's and 0's and someone steals it, while it is fucked up of them, you're not out anything other than a few cents for the paper and ink and a couple minutes of your time to reprint it because you still have the data and can never lose it just like a program or code.

 

[NYMorningstar]

The whole thing comes down to if the company is going to lose profit from someone using a pirate copy when they never would have paid for it in the first place. NO. The person may be morally wrong and going to burn in fiery Hell right along side Satan and Darwin, but there's no way of proving any of that so who cares.

And the whole Porshe argument you keep coming back to doesn't hold up here. Stealing physical property is not the same as stealing intellectual property.

Say you paint a picture (physical property) it's one of a kind and someone comes and steals it then you're never going to be able to replace it and you lose something of value.

BUT if you take a picture with your digital camera and print it out (intellectual property) it's just 1's and 0's and someone steals it, while it is fucked up of them, you're not out anything other than a few cents for the paper and ink and a couple minutes of your time to reprint it because you still have the data and can never lose it just like a program or code.

You couldn't be more wrong, stealing is stealing. It's really that simple. I like the example you give trying to say that software isn't physical property too. How come everytime I read this post (which by the way is not an original thought), the words egotistical, selfish moron come to mind?

How about if someone slips into your house and sets up a camera in your bedroom and films you and your wife. Hey, it didn't cost you anything, they only stole your privacy. Isn't that free? Does it make it ok?

I guess it would be ok too when you're out buying porn and it ends up being pics of your wife in your bedroom. I'd guess you'd be a little shocked when you see she's with another dude too but hey, it's only 1's and 0's, don't get excited.

Egotistical selfish moron, hmmm, don't worry I'll figure it out

How come you dudes that write this crap always use aliases?

 

[danny.guitar]

The whole "I would never pay for it anyway" is just a lame attempt at trying to justify what you're doing, which is stealing. Whether or not they lose profit is irrelevant. You're still stealing.

I could personally care less if people pirate software and I surely don't judge someone based off of just that, it's the ones that try to justify it that piss me off. And the ones who steal software then expect to get help in learning how to use it.

Also, maybe some people would never buy it because they can't afford it, but I guarantee a lot of people who say they wouldn't WOULD if piracy wasn't an option.

And there's also plenty of free/cheap software (like Reaper) that is just as capable as most other really expensive programs. If you can't make a good recording in Reaper then you aren't ready for expensive software anyway.

 

[oroboros]

First thing is I'm not trying to justify anything, I don't pirate software, and I'm not arguing if stealing is wrong, of course it is, don't fucking miss quote me.

The only point I'm making is the difference between physical theft and copyright infringement, it's not the same thing, if you can't understand that than you're a fucking idiot.

NYMorningstar you're about the most god damn judgemental prick I've come across, and if you equate someone breaking into a house, invading someone's privacy by filming them fucking someone or whatever; and you think that's the same as some fucking asshole downloading software then you're a complete dipshit.

I agree with the fact that stealing software is bad, but I'm hoping people gung-ho against it can use more logical sense than it's the same as stealing a car or breaking into someone's house, jesus fucking christ.

 

[Toker41]

That's totally right. And to say the thief would do without if they couldn't steal software is absurd. A real thief would just steal something else, sell it and buy the software they wanted if they wanted it bad enough. It is not up to a thief to take possession of something that doesn't belong to him/her just because there would be no loss to the person stolen from. It is up to the owner of the property, even if the property has no market value.

That is what you base your argument on? An assumption on what a "real thief" would do?

 

[Toker41]

Ok...so you're just stupid? No offense but that is one of the most retarded things I've ever heard.

I think that nullifies any kind of argument you could make because people can just look at this post and know you're an idiot.

At least he didn't lower himself to name calling, and disrespect toward other posters.

"your stupid", isn't exactly a strong argument, either.

 

[Toker41]

Think I've finally had enough of this thread.

 

[NYMorningstar]

NYMorningstar you're about the most god damn judgemental prick I've come across.

You must be either a troll or a coward hiding his identity seeing you have 7 whole posts. Which is it? Either way, if I'm the most judgemental person you've come across then you need to get around man. My flawed attempt at humor was only to show you how screwed up your line of thought is. Stealing a porshe is not the same as stealing copy? Let me get my boots because it's getting deep here. Did you know stealing a hotdog is not the same as stealing a quarter? What a lame argument you have. Stealing is stealing, anything short of that is denial.

 

[oroboros]

You must be either a troll or a coward hiding his identity seeing you have 7 whole posts. Which is it?

What in fuck does how many posts you have to do with anything god damn thing? Does your IQ go up with each post or what? Is there a internet quota you have to reach to exchange ideas? Really has nothing to do with anything in this thread, maybe you have a learning disability or something, but this is a big stretch to proving anything.

Stealing a porshe is not the same as stealing copy? Let me get my boots because it's getting deep here. Did you know stealing a hotdog is not the same as stealing a quarter?

Come on, you just don't get it do you. This is almost too dumb to respond to, but I'll see what I can do. My point was not a car is different than a hotdog than a whatever. It is the difference between stealing a tangible object (Porshe, hotdog,...) and information.

Stealing is stealing, anything short of that is denial.

No shit, I think I've said that same thing about 3 fucking times and I'm not sticking up for thieves. Actually we agree on the topic, I just wouldn't want you as my lawyer for anything because of the insane points & logic you try to use to back-up your views.

 

[danny.guitar]

Think I've finally had enough of this thread.

Finally...

 

[NYMorningstar]

Come on, you just don't get it do you. This is almost too dumb to respond to, but I'll see what I can do. My point was not a car is different than a hotdog than a whatever. It is the difference between stealing a tangible object (Porshe, hotdog,...) and information.

You don't have a point. Nor do you support you're opinion about the difference you stated in any credible way shape or form. You are obviously clueless about accounting and economics from the few posts you've made. Quit while your ahead, go back to school.

You don't see anthing wrong with or you don't care about pirating software, fine. I don't see anything wrong with idiots posting on bulletin boards.

A picture is intellectual property? Dang is that intelligence or what?

L Damn, my mind keeps thinking...Egotistical selfish moron, hmmm, don't worry I'll figure it out

 

[TerraMortim]

yes, a picture is intillectual property. At least according to modern copyright law. I can make copies of the card stock the pictures are printed on all day and not violate copyright. It's the intillectual property of the image that I could in a sense pursue if one were to copy it for themselves.

Copyright infringement has nothing to do with stealing. Regardless of what people's personal morals are on the subject: It's not the same thing. They are two different things.

Is it stealing that all of our modern OSes were originally based on a prototype of the first GUI by the Xerox corporation? Will we all burn in the firey pit where the anal retentive red guy with the pitchfork will give us a poke in the ass every day for using it? They violated the copyright (technically) of Xerox inc. in which Apple "developed" the "first" GUI, and then Microsoft "borrowed" it from them (just backwards and upside down...with a different coloured curser). It surely was violating copyright infringement to do that, as Xerox's idea for a GUI was their intillectual property. Let me tell you, they lost a hell of a lot more money from that, than any of these companys do from piracy. Chances are, you are using one of those two operating systems. (as do I...Mac OS X mainly) So, you're entire OS is a result of copyright infringement. They made millions upon millions from their respective OSes.

. . .

 

[oroboros]

You don't have a point. Nor do you support you're opinion about the difference you stated in any credible way shape or form. You are obviously clueless about accounting and economics from the few posts you've made. Quit while your ahead, go back to school.

I don't see anything wrong with idiots posting on bulletin boards.

A picture is intellectual property? Dang is that intelligence or what?

Oh god damn, you're a real piece of work. If you don't see anything wrong with all us "idiots" then why are you responding to this thread fuckface.

And yes a photograph is an intellectual property and fully copyrighted work. If you don't think so go take some photos from National Geographic or any other source, call them your own and try to use them to sell some merchandise without the owner's permission, and see if they don't sue your dumb ass.

You don't see anthing wrong with or you don't care about pirating software, fine. I don't see anything wrong with idiots posting on bulletin boards.

You keep on and on putting words in other's mouths, of course you do that's what happens when you have no real valid points to make. Have to resort to lies to prove your half-ass view. Oh shit, guess I'll see you in Hell for that.

Egotistical selfish moron, hmmm, don't worry I'll figure it out

Buy a fucking dictionary you obviously have no idea what these words mean.

 

[danny.guitar]

Pictures/photos are intellectual property and I believe they are automatically copyrighted just as music is. They can be registered in the LOB (Library of Congress) for an official copyright as music or other intellectual property would be.

 

[oroboros]

Copyright infringement has nothing to do with stealing. Regardless of what people's personal morals are on the subject: It's not the same thing. They are two different things.

Exactly, but NYMorningstar just can't comprehend this, maybe if he stopped trying to judge people's morals long enough to turn on that little low-watt brain he'd get it.


Oh and thanks for the negative rep HAHA, I'm sure it was from you Morningstar, nice comments dummy, typical. People disagree with your viewpoints and you passive-aggressively find another way to bash them. What a pussy! Grow up and get over yourself shithead.

 

[NYMorningstar]

Oh god damn, you're a real piece of work. If you don't see anything wrong with all us "idiots" then why are you responding to this thread fuckface.

I don't recall calling you an idiot but if the shoe fits, and it looks like you think it does, wear it. Now put this dunce hat on and back in the corner. Oh, and the reason I'm responding on this thread is to try and save your soul.

And yes a photograph is an intellectual property and fully copyrighted work.

A photograph is not intellectual property until it's creator decides so and I'll ask again, how intelligent is that?

I see you're coming around though and seeing things through the eyes of a victim, like here you claimed National Geopgraphic. Now if I weren't going to buy the picture anyway, how could they sue me? Even if they prove their case they have no damages right? WRONG!

The injured party has the right to be made whole and that includes being compensated for the fair market value of the property that was stolen, pirated, whatever.

You keep on and on putting words in other's mouths, of course you do that's what happens when you have no real valid points to make. Have to resort to lies to prove your half-ass view. ..

I have never miss quoted you, try again.

NYMorningstar is a good guy

Now, that is miss quoting you. Oh, and by the way I don't respond to idiots and I didn't neg rep you but it fits right in that you care. Oh, and by the way, you never responded to whether you're a troll or a coward, which is it?

 

[Toker41]

I don't see where anybody ever said stealing isn't wrong. Simply stated some facts about how the problem is exaggerated, and used by the industry to inflate prices. Yet "holier than thou" Bible thumpers always crawl out of the woodwork to force their "saving of our souls" down our throat. I love the way that the most religious people are also the most judgmental, and hateful people I've ever encountered. They alway have a sense of being better then others, and feel the right to judge others when that goes against the very basis of their religion. It's also worth noting that they only seem to hear, or get from a discussion, what they want to hear, and totally ignores the rest no matter how may times, or ways it's stated. Worry about saving your own soul people, and leave the rest of us to do what we will with ours.