Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[Toker41]

If you read through this, Pac, you will see that I made very similar comments about how everybody sins (steals, lies, cheats). Some people have a strange way of seeing greater evils in others, and ignoring lesser evils in themselves. That is why the ones that get on here and blast the ones that steal get my goat. To discuss the issues is one thing, but to believe you are better than the next guy because he is a thief is hypocritical. There is nobody alive that has never lied, or stole something. They may rationalize it away by claiming there were just a kid, or something like that, but then blast the "thieves" when they rationalize. Most people like that have something to hide. That is why I tried to take the morel end out of the debate, and just stick to the business end of it. However, there are always the holier than thou Bible thumpers in the crowd that jump on a soapbox, and blast you with neg unsigned feedback, screaming about "you can't justify stealing, asshole".

Thread's been around a long time. Maybe it's time to just let it die.

 

[danny.guitar]

oh no?


what's the other options? cvs? call center? 7/hr for contruction work?


nobody should be paid under $11/hr in this country, and working at mcdonalds is more demanding them most higher-level management positions, college graduates are the lazy ones.


americans are so ignorant, I fail to comprehend the depth of their ignorance, just hope you don't run into someone like me on the street, all you pathetic faggots that support the status quo are the lowest of lifeforms, deadbeats.

I guess you never heard the saying "Life is what you make of it".

You don't want to go to college and get a degree? Have fun working at those places you listed.

Don't have money for college? Get a Pell-Grant, the government (which you seem to hate so much) will pay for it. That's how I'm going.

I think minimum wage should be higher (prices of things go up, but pay stays the same), but even then...go to college and you don't have to worry about this shit.

Btw I'm making $6.50 at my current job. I'm helping pay for rent/utilities at home, and am of course buying all my own shit...food, etc.

You don't see me bitching and whining like a little pussy.

 

[pacman9000]

If you read through this, Pac, you will see that I made very similar comments about how everybody sins (steals, lies, cheats). Some people have a strange way of seeing greater evils in others, and ignoring lesser evils in themselves. That is why the ones that get on here and blast the ones that steal get my goat. To discuss the issues is one thing, but to believe you are better than the next guy because he is a thief is hypocritical. There is nobody alive that has never lied, or stole something. They may rationalize it away by claiming there were just a kid, or something like that, but then blast the "thieves" when they rationalize. Most people like that have something to hide. That is why I tried to take the morel end out of the debate, and just stick to the business end of it. However, there are always the holier than thou Bible thumpers in the crowd that jump on a soapbox, and blast you with neg unsigned feedback, screaming about "you can't justify stealing, asshole".

Thread's been around a long time. Maybe it's time to just let it die.

ok i understand but enuff about the negative feedback, you're bertter off with it



Also, I think were just coming from different perspectives, as a kid who saw kids go hungry because they're parents were'nt paid enough, then they had to steal or sell drugs and subsequently got locked up in juvenile hall and on to prison time and again, and then watched all those in power say things to the effect of "you have to take personal responsibility for not being able to make more then $7/hr, the wages are set by the market" and with corrupt trade agreements and all, ...um, stealing is very righteous for poor people, it's RIGHt, NOT wRONG, WRONG WOULD BE TO LET THE RICH MAKE MONEY OF YOU WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING!


BILL GATES SHOULD HAVE HIS WIFES THROAT SLICED OPEN AND HAVE A ARAB DEFECATE DOWN HER KNECK THEN TEH SAME TO HIM...HELPIN OUT AFRICA TRYHING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF, NO HELP FOR AMERICAN IMPOVERSHED YOUTH HIS ATTITUDE IS "IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT"...GUY IS THE DEVIL MAN, BUT MAYBE HE WILL DIE AT THE HANDS OF A POOR DEVIL THAT SOCIETY IS CREATING AN ABUNDANCE OF...THOUGH THEY CANNOT GET THE BLAME, GATES AND ALLTTEH CEO'S DO...ALL OVEM.

 

[wheelema]

you can't counter any of my points, so kindly fukkk off.

Okay, I take it back. I'm guessing 8 years old with a severe learning disability, and a history of sexual abuse. Stop shitting in your pants and spreading it over your face and people will learn to take you seriously.

You seem to forget that I said that you had some valid points, but emotional maturity sure isn't one of them!!

 

[pacman9000]

I guess you never heard the saying "Life is what you make of it".

You don't want to go to college and get a degree? Have fun working at those places you listed.

Don't have money for college? Get a Pell-Grant, the government (which you seem to hate so much) will pay for it. That's how I'm going.

I think minimum wage should be higher (prices of things go up, but pay stays the same), but even then...go to college and you don't have to worry about this shit.

Btw I'm making $6.50 at my current job. I'm helping pay for rent/utilities at home, and am of course buying all my own shit...food, etc.

You don't see me bitching and whining like a little pussy.

try paying 600/mth for a studio apt on that and still pay all your other expenses AND have a little money left over to buy a cheap mtr prog.


see, you're living at home dude, you have no conception...whenver you can't afford the bills you have your parents as a safety net...nothing wrong with that, get free rent for as long as you can! but to come at me like that (you're just whining) would make you a b1tch because there's single mothers /father who work full time and still end up homeless and they don't have their parents to fall back on should they "stop whining" too?...although it should make no difference if you have a kid or not, single homeless men should be given affordable housing too, which they are absolutly not and even people with kids have to wait a looong time... I hustle by the way, i don't seckle for 6.50 for being a slave...


you're very naive, I'll leave you with that.

 

[pacman9000]

Okay, I take it back. I'm guessing 8 years old with a severe learning disability, and a history of sexual abuse. Stop shitting in your pants and spreading it over your face and people will learn to take you seriously.

You seem to forget that I said that you had some valid points, but emotional maturity sure isn't one of them!!

honestly, this post only reflects negatively on yourself, you seem to be yet another one on this site with a disturbing fecal fetish, you still can't counter any of my points and haven't even attempted to, so once again you can kindly fukkk off.


btw, I am Sexual Offender.

 

[danny.guitar]

try paying 600/mth for a studio apt on that and still pay all your other expenses AND have a little money left over to buy a cheap mtr prog.


see, you're living at home dude, you have no conception...whenver you can't afford the bills you have your parents as a safety net...nothing wrong with that, get free rent for as long as you can! but to come at me like that (you're just whining) would make you a b1tch because there's single mothers /father who work full time and still end up homeless and they don't have their parents to fall back on should they "stop whining" too?...although it should make no difference if you have a kid or not, single homeless men should be given affordable housing too, which they are absolutly not and even people with kids have to wait a looong time... I hustle by the way, i don't seckle for 6.50 for being a slave...


you're very naive, I'll leave you with that.

Hey you're the one coming off as dick even though I held back and tried to be respectful to you AFTER you've called me all kinds of stupid names in other threads.

Yea, I'm not paying $600/mo. yet. That's why I'm going to SCHOOL. So when I am on my own I can support myself.

I don't want to resort to "hustling".

 

[pacman9000]

dewd, i guess u never heard of the saying 'life is whut u make it, deewwd'


so it's the palestinians children's fault that the ****s leave bombs disguised as soccer balls for them to play with and they get blowed the fukup!

 

[Toker41]

There are holier than though people, which I don't care to have anything to do with. Then there a pragmatists who know that to be silent is to offer consent. I marched and protested in the streets of San Francisco before the invasion of Iraq because I know that concept is real. Most of us on the HR forums who speak up about piracy aren't in the holier than though camp, we're just pragmatic about the consequences of letting piracy go un-checked. So, for whatever good it does, we try to use peer pressure to deliver the message.

Studies show that piracy has no measurable impact on sales, thus there are no consequences other than ones own conscience, and whatever price one feels we pay for our wrong doings. It's great that you see yourself on a mission, but you are misinformed if you believe there is a purpose other than to put yourself above people you consider lower.

Your protest of the invasion of Iraq was a much more honorable mission. Now change it to holding our leaders responsible for their "mistakes" (lies), and sending our children into this un-necessary war. Bush said of you people protesting before the invasion "Those people's opinions don't matter..." How can any American President ever believe that any Americans opinion doesn't matter? He is unfit for the position, and if he has not proven himself a liar (and clearly he has), he has at least shown that he is incompetent when it comes to making decisions that come with his job.
But....I guess that is a topic for another thread.....

 

[Toker41]

ok i understand but enuff about the negative feedback, you're bertter off with it



Also, I think were just coming from different perspectives, as a kid who saw kids go hungry because they're parents were'nt paid enough, then they had to steal or sell drugs and subsequently got locked up in juvenile hall and on to prison time and again, and then watched all those in power say things to the effect of "you have to take personal responsibility for not being able to make more then $7/hr, the wages are set by the market" and with corrupt trade agreements and all, ...um, stealing is very righteous for poor people, it's RIGHt, NOT wRONG, WRONG WOULD BE TO LET THE RICH MAKE MONEY OF YOU WHEN YOU HAVE NOTHING!


BILL GATES SHOULD HAVE HIS WIFES THROAT SLICED OPEN AND HAVE A ARAB DEFECATE DOWN HER KNECK THEN TEH SAME TO HIM...HELPIN OUT AFRICA TRYHING TO MAKE A NAME FOR HIMSELF, NO HELP FOR AMERICAN IMPOVERSHED YOUTH HIS ATTITUDE IS "IT'S THEIR OWN FAULT"...GUY IS THE DEVIL MAN, BUT MAYBE HE WILL DIE AT THE HANDS OF A POOR DEVIL THAT SOCIETY IS CREATING AN ABUNDANCE OF...THOUGH THEY CANNOT GET THE BLAME, GATES AND ALLTTEH CEO'S DO...ALL OVEM.

Gene Simmons had nothing as a child, and is now very rich. The owner of the company I work at started out as a poor child in Philly, then went without food a lot in his youth. He is now worth $180,000,000. My Mother went to bed hungry a lot as a child, because her father was a drunk that died at an early age, and her mother had no education. She never stole anything in her life. She worked 3 jobs so that she could eat. She did not waste time with "home recording" when her next meal was the most important thing, and she did not steal to support a hobby when survival was the rule of the day. I'm not blasting anyone for stealing, but to say you "have to steal the software because I can't afford it" is pure crap. You need only to eat, and shelter yourself. If you need to steal to eat, or survive, then so be it. However, you do not "need" to record, thus there is no need to steal software. There is no "need" for software at all, only desire. When it comes to software, or anything else that isn't necessary to survive, "I can't afford it so I have to steal it" is a cop out. "I do it because I can" is the only truth. Good, bad, or indifferent, it's all it boils down to.

 

[legionserial]

I love the way people blame the rest of the entire world for the fact that they are not paid enough and use it as an excuse for stealing.

Not earning enough? Try doing something about it instead of sitting there bitching about it and taking what isn't yours to take.

"I don't get paid enough" is not a justification for taking anything you want. It is a reason that you can't have everything you want. That's a fact of life. Deal with it.

I'm not paid enough either. See I could try and get a better paying job, but I can't be arsed, and I'll freely admit that. For that reason I won't blame anyone else for the fact that I'm not paid enough. because it is my responsibility to do something about it. Just like anyone else. That doesn't make it alright for me to steal.

"Children died because parents didn't earn enough"?. Sounds to me like "children die because their parents didn't do enough to make sure the child was provided for" or "parents bring child into world knowing they can't support it". My parents were working 3 fucking jobs each to support me and my sister at one point. Yeah it was hard work, but if that's what you have to do to keep your child fed, then that's what you have to do, and I would do the same.

That said, I could justify stealing to feed a hungry child, but to feed a hobby?...Nah. Otherwise next it will be ok to steal a small plane to indulge in the hobby of aviation. Or perhaps a small boat. Steal a car to go motor racing. Or perhaps some abseiling gear. Steal a horse to race maybe? Sounds pretty ludicrous doesn't it?

 

[boingoman]

Studies show that piracy has no measurable impact on sales,

Others estimate as high as $15-$20 billion dollars.

 

[wheelema]

honestly, this post only reflects negatively on yourself, you seem to be yet another one on this site with a disturbing fecal fetish, you still can't counter any of my points and haven't even attempted to, so once again you can kindly fukkk off.

Hey! Three 'k's this time!

I actually spent some time ferrying 'seriously developmentally disabled' children around, a number of whom would style their hair with their shit... quite fragrant!... just like your 'logic'.

...btw, I am Sexual Offender.

How special!

 

[pacman9000]

Gene Simmons had nothing as a child, and is now very rich. The owner of the company I work at started out as a poor child in Philly, then went without food a lot in his youth. He is now worth $180,000,000. My Mother went to bed hungry a lot as a child, because her father was a drunk that died at an early age, and her mother had no education. She never stole anything in her life. She worked 3 jobs so that she could eat. She did not waste time with "home recording" when her next meal was the most important thing, and she did not steal to support a hobby when survival was the rule of the day. I'm not blasting anyone for stealing, but to say you "have to steal the software because I can't afford it" is pure crap. You need only to eat, and shelter yourself. If you need to steal to eat, or survive, then so be it. However, you do not "need" to record, thus there is no need to steal software. There is no "need" for software at all, only desire. When it comes to software, or anything else that isn't necessary to survive, "I can't afford it so I have to steal it" is a cop out. "I do it because I can" is the only truth. Good, bad, or indifferent, it's all it boils down to.

yeah i agree, you don't really have to have food either, you could just die, and nobody in power would really care.


obviously you're not an "artIst" if you think it's just a desire and not a need, if the soul's capacity for creativity is not honored, it will wreak havoc, so watch out for the violence that has yet to occur, you have seen nothing.

 

[pacman9000]

You are right, guys.

We live in a system of ripping. Except of a very few goods there is ripping going on all the time.

The producing part of the system is shrinking from day to day while the economical hydrocephalus of trading and office is growing correspondingly.

The sport is wedging in between trade chains and screw up margins, fees and manager salaries to infamy and disrespect against the people.

Capitalism is an economical pseudo cycle that spares reason and ethics and thus cannot work. Which is why almost everything is totally overpriced and reason for perverse social and ecological discrepancy.

And examples like Reaper only indicate the common ripping proportions.

Sequencers for over 500 bucks are a bad joke and yearly squeezing of 250 bucks for updates just topping it.

Not to mention cases like of Steinberg who used to sell a completely dysfunctional software named Cubase. Their customers had to bleed for years until that host started halfways doing what it was supposed to do without crashing computers and wiping peoples´ work from the storage.

Meanwhile they offer operational hosts, but their financial fundament was build up by selling crap to enthusiasts for long years. And the guy who brought all that mess over his customers got 50 millions for the crap imperium as his final pocket money.

They didn´t need guns for doing so. Guns are not used when people get officially ripped off under capitalism. Squeezing is the tool.
It´s been made sure that people want something badly enough in order to squeeze totally irrational amounts out of their rears.

Like how about medicine? You don´t want to end up crippled or dead? You really want your health badly enough? Fine, pay up to a couple hundred times of what the pills had actually cost to be produced, otherwise just go perish.

Capitalism is reckless and primitiv, an entirely inhuman method that produces masses of bend over people for a minority to be overly privileged.
It doesn´t think twice to steal people´s income and lifetime, instead rewards the individuals who do it the most.

There are some examples coming up to demonstrate actual ratio with production and goods to the world; I hope products like Reaper could be such for the future.

Don´t let profiteurs and uneducated peeps spread thoughtless mantras like "it costs what it costs", "you get what you pay for" or "noone get´s rich" before all that accumulation and hardship that they stand for.

Let reason be used and getting rid of destructive brainwash.

Ruphus

my boy Ruphus knows the deal, capitalism is a raw deal and it's time for some re-imbursement for it's victims.

 

[danny.guitar]

yeah i agree, you don't really have to have food either, you could just die, and nobody in power would really care.


obviously you're not an "artIst" if you think it's just a desire and not a need, if the soul's capacity for creativity is not honored, it will wreak havoc, so watch out for the violence that has yet to occur, you have seen nothing.

K... just want you to know how stupid you are.

Was gonna reply to one of your other posts but I think this one explained it better than I could.

I kinda feel sorry for you. Well, no...never mind I don't.

 

[pacman9000]

K... just want you to know how stupid you are.

Was gonna reply to one of your other posts but I think this one explained it better than I could.

I kinda feel sorry for you. Well, no...never mind I don't.

ok, danny.geetar

 

[Toker41]

yeah i agree, you don't really have to have food either, you could just die, and nobody in power would really care.


obviously you're not an "artist" if you think it's just a desire and not a need, if the soul's capacity for creativity is not honored, it will wreak havoc, so watch out for the violence that has yet to occur, you have seen nothing.

I am an artist, and fully understand the need. However, it still does not justify taking what you "want". Music can be made with a couple of sticks, and a $100 guitar. A true artist needs only to write for himself. There is no "need" to have a $500 recording program to express yourself. I started recording on a $30 cassette recorder. A 4 track machine can be bought for under $50 these days on ebay. A true artist is not about the quality of the recording, but rather the self expression in the music itself. If you feel the "need" for a perfect polished recording, then you are more interested in selling albums than expressing yourself. There are also freeware recording programs, and N-track stands up to any $500 program, and only cost $40. If you have a computer to record on, then you are not "broke".

As far as your threats of violence...
....go on with your bad self.

I like your post, and do agree with some of your views. However, sometimes you are trying to justify stealing as a "need" when it's really about what you "want". Although there are times when stealing is a necessary evil, nobody "needs" expensive software to be an artist. Sgt. Pepper was done of two 4 tracks. It's all about skill, not having the best equipment.

 

[Toker41]

Others estimate as high as $15-$20 billion dollars.

yeah, those studies are usually from the companies, and music industry, and used to justify the inflated cost of the software to the consumer, and the outrageous price for CD's, of which the bands see very, very little. The studies I refer to are bi-partisan Harvard studies, and independent studies.

 

[boingoman]

yeah, those studies are usually from the companies, and music industry, and used to justify the inflated cost of the software to the consumer, and the outrageous price for CD's, of which the bands see very, very little. The studies I refer to are bi-partisan Harvard studies, and independent studies.

So the real answer is somewhere between 0 and say $10 billion dollars. And in the case of Microsoft, their attittude is "We'd rather you have an illegal copy of our stuff than somebody else's". That indicates to me that some companies have no real reason to extremely inflate any claims about losses, just making an assessment of the situation. You have to admit, if Windows was free all of a sudden, MS would indeed lose revenue.