Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[Steve Henningsgard]

Do you pirate software? Fucking read this.

I'll be the first to admit I used to be one of the worst pirates out there, and not in a fun, scurrrrvy rum-drinking wench-screwing way. I won't go into details, but just trust me on this one. Speaking as someone with a vast amount of experience on the subject, and on someone who is still working to repair the damage done to myself, rest assured I know what I'm talking about and can provide a unique insight into the matter...

I believe the reason anybody pirates is because, with the advent of the internet, fast-food, home entertainment and on-demand TV, we are being brought up in an "instant-gratification" environment. People/companies are working hard to make you work less and less for the things you want. We're all striving to create zero-effort-necessary lives for ourselves. With every new generation, we're taught less and less the value & rewards of a hard day's work. (I know it has taken me years to fully understand & appreciate the feeling I get when I work really fucking hard at something and it pays off.)

So what does this have to do with piracy? Software is the ultimate example of 99% of your money going towards the work that went into creating the product, vs. the product itself. It cost at *least* tens of thousands of dollars (more likely millions), and many thousands (or millions) of man-hours to create the program, yet on the face, you've probably got $20 of manufacturing costs & raw material in you hands (sound familiar? music CD's.). As a person who places little to no value on hard work (either monetary or respect-wise), one might think $500 is a complete rip-off for a single CD & a manual that probably cost $20 to print. The ironic part comes when a person who stole an inexpensively-priced $500 piece of software, goes & complains when nobody will buy their CD that they worked so hard on! It's the same thing people. We're in a society who places little-to-no value on hard work. People complain about spending fuckin' $10 on a CD. Or $10 for a movie ticket.

The bottom line is these people have a passion & talent for creating easy to use, high-quality software, and they choose to use this talent to allow people without $1,000,000's to spend on the analog gear it would take to even try to approach the quality/ease-of-use of their software, to go home & make records. And you complain about $500? Shit, that's for the Producer edition! You complain about $200 for a piece of software that gives you unlimited potential and insane quality to record whatever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want, for as long as you fucking want? Jesus christ...

 

[pacman9000]

Do you pirate software? Fucking read this.

I'll be the first to admit I used to be one of the worst pirates out there, and not in a fun, scurrrrvy rum-drinking wench-screwing way. I won't go into details, but just trust me on this one. Speaking as someone with a vast amount of experience on the subject, and on someone who is still working to repair the damage done to myself, rest assured I know what I'm talking about and can provide a unique insight into the matter...

I believe the reason anybody pirates is because, with the advent of the internet, fast-food, home entertainment and on-demand TV, we are being brought up in an "instant-gratification" environment. People/companies are working hard to make you work less and less for the things you want. We're all striving to create zero-effort-necessary lives for ourselves. With every new generation, we're taught less and less the value & rewards of a hard day's work. (I know it has taken me years to fully understand & appreciate the feeling I get when I work really fucking hard at something and it pays off.)

So what does this have to do with piracy? Software is the ultimate example of 99% of your money going towards the work that went into creating the product, vs. the product itself. It cost at *least* tens of thousands of dollars (more likely millions), and many thousands (or millions) of man-hours to create the program, yet on the face, you've probably got $20 of manufacturing costs & raw material in you hands (sound familiar? music CD's.). As a person who places little to no value on hard work (either monetary or respect-wise), one might think $500 is a complete rip-off for a single CD & a manual that probably cost $20 to print. The ironic part comes when a person who stole an inexpensively-priced $500 piece of software, goes & complains when nobody will buy their CD that they worked so hard on! It's the same thing people. We're in a society who places little-to-no value on hard work. People complain about spending fuckin' $10 on a CD. Or $10 for a movie ticket.

The bottom line is these people have a passion & talent for creating easy to use, high-quality software, and they choose to use this talent to allow people without $1,000,000's to spend on the analog gear it would take to even try to approach the quality/ease-of-use of their software, to go home & make records. And you complain about $500? Shit, that's for the Producer edition! You complain about $200 for a piece of software that gives you unlimited potential and insane quality to record whatever the fuck you want, whenever the fuck you want, for as long as you fucking want? Jesus christ...

who complained about $200 dollar software? earlier in this thread it was me who commended the companies selling for reasonable rates and stated they should NOT be pirated.

um, i wish digital designers would die and analog come back in style, please fukkk off and remember, the danger in writing a book is that nobody will read it.

 

[pacman9000]

So the real answer is somewhere between 0 and say $10 billion dollars. And in the case of Microsoft, their attittude is "We'd rather you have an illegal copy of our stuff than somebody else's". That indicates to me that some companies have no real reason to extremely inflate any claims about losses, just making an assessment of the situation. You have to admit, if Windows was free all of a sudden, MS would indeed lose revenue.

most people don't purchase windows anyway they just buy a computer with it installed already, I guess something simple like this escapes you in your old age, bingoman.

 

[pacman9000]

I am an artist, and fully understand the need. However, it still does not justify taking what you "want". Music can be made with a couple of sticks, and a $100 guitar. A true artist needs only to write for himself. There is no "need" to have a $500 recording program to express yourself. I started recording on a $30 cassette recorder. A 4 track machine can be bought for under $50 these days on ebay. A true artist is not about the quality of the recording, but rather the self expression in the music itself. If you feel the "need" for a perfect polished recording, then you are more interested in selling albums than expressing yourself. There are also freeware recording programs, and N-track stands up to any $500 program, and only cost $40. If you have a computer to record on, then you are not "broke".

As far as your threats of violence...
....go on with your bad self.

I like your post, and do agree with some of your views. However, sometimes you are trying to justify stealing as a "need" when it's really about what you "want". Although there are times when stealing is a necessary evil, nobody "needs" expensive software to be an artist. Sgt. Pepper was done of two 4 tracks. It's all about skill, not having the best equipment.

which is why I would rather use analog equipment, not this digital algorithym sh1t meant for techies with no musical talent just set the automation for your synth have it play some random notes then edit the sh1t out of it until it sounds good don't even know what the fuk they're doing half the time, yea this software has created great musicians don't you see all of them this must be the best musical era don't you agree?

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

which is why I would rather use analog equipment, not this digital algorithym sh1t meant for techies with no musical talent just set the automation for your synth have it play some random notes then edit the sh1t out of it until it sounds good don't even know what the fuk they're doing half the time, yea this software has created great musicians don't you see all of them this must be the best musical era don't you agree?

Dude, analog engineers back in the day knew their shit, & could 100% be defined as "techies". And what does digital recording have to do with random synth notes or the artists performing "these days"? 90% of 'em don't know the difference anyway, 'cause they're not recording themselves.

You are quite possibly the stupidest, most annoying, retarded message-board person I've ever seen, and I kinda wish there were moderators on the boards again...

 

[pacman9000]

^says the homosexual elvis impersonator...disgusta

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

^says the homosexual elvis impersonator...disgusta

Umm.. huh?

 

[boingoman]

most people don't purchase windows anyway they just buy a computer with it installed already, I guess something simple like this escapes you in your old age, bingoman.

You could at least make an attempt to know what you are talking about. If you are making an attempt, you're not very good at it.

 

[danny.guitar]

which is why I would rather use analog equipment, not this digital algorithym sh1t meant for techies with no musical talent just set the automation for your synth have it play some random notes then edit the sh1t out of it until it sounds good don't even know what the fuk they're doing half the time, yea this software has created great musicians don't you see all of them this must be the best musical era don't you agree?

If you're so talented then why not post some of your songs?

Oh that's right, you still haven't figured out how to record anything yet.

 

[Flangerhans]

Gawd, what a fest here! Lemme 'splain something.

See, you can't go bitching about having something stolen from you when you are a thief. You make a social contract with the rest of the world when you own something, basically, "I won't take your stuff, you don't take mine."

This works two ways: Pirates can't complain about the capitalist system that produced the software they steal, as they would have nothing to steal if that system did not find it profitable to manufacture said goods.

But huge companies that feed off of artists and consumers have little room to talk as well. Microsoft, with their temp employees and free coke machines to up production is a fine example of robber baron mentality, and their success points out a way to dishonestly make more capital than the man at the top produces. Bill Gates writes no code, he uses others without acknowledging their contribution adequately.

It's difficult to feel sympathy for a CEO that has a private jet when he complains of theft costing him money. It's just as difficult to cry along with the pirate whose stolen software no longer works. Both sides are misusing a system that runs on honorable motives. That's the problem here, it has become more important to have it than how you got it.

The blame for this is not simple to assign. Basic human nature and acquisitiveness is one factor, as is the inevitable decline of any human culture. The solution, however, is very simple: Act with honor, demand those around you to act the same or forego your company. It's lonely, and hard, and you may starve, but you will be able to sleep soundly at night, and shave without wincing at the buttmunch you see in the mirror in the morning. If one tenth of the population took up this credo, the other 90% would quickly realize it's benefits...I don't really know this, but it makes me happy to think so, anyway. I do know that the responsibility for our theft-ridden society is an individual one, and no monetary system like capitalism or communism can change that.

 

[pacman9000]

Gawd, what a fest here! Lemme 'splain something.

See, you can't go bitching about having something stolen from you when you are a thief. You make a social contract with the rest of the world when you own something, basically, "I won't take your stuff, you don't take mine."

This works two ways: Pirates can't complain about the capitalist system that produced the software they steal, as they would have nothing to steal if that system did not find it profitable to manufacture said goods.

But huge companies that feed off of artists and consumers have little room to talk as well. Microsoft, with their temp employees and free coke machines to up production is a fine example of robber baron mentality, and their success points out a way to dishonestly make more capital than the man at the top produces. Bill Gates writes no code, he uses others without acknowledging their contribution adequately.

It's difficult to feel sympathy for a CEO that has a private jet when he complains of theft costing him money. It's just as difficult to cry along with the pirate whose stolen software no longer works. Both sides are misusing a system that runs on honorable motives. That's the problem here, it has become more important to have it than how you got it.

The blame for this is not simple to assign. Basic human nature and acquisitiveness is one factor, as is the inevitable decline of any human culture. The solution, however, is very simple: Act with honor, demand those around you to act the same or forego your company. It's lonely, and hard, and you may starve, but you will be able to sleep soundly at night, and shave without wincing at the buttmunch you see in the mirror in the morning. If one tenth of the population took up this credo, the other 90% would quickly realize it's benefits...I don't really know this, but it makes me happy to think so, anyway. I do know that the responsibility for our theft-ridden society is an individual one, and no monetary system like capitalism or communism can change that.

I appreciate thoughts like this, but again, I don't believe you've seen the things I have, which is probably the only way you would understand, so I won't bother explaining, it seems that naive human beings rarely understand anything they have not experienced...until that experience brings it home to them, they're just kind of passive observes "oh nobody is wrong, it's just that the world is a messed up place, it's everybodies fault"...hahah


see, real people like me though, who have experienced many things and are more aware of what is actually going on, DO understand, we've seen enough to know that it is truly justified for a palestinsan child to kill as many jews as possible and be proud of that, as we all should be.


same goes for impovershed youth im america, smash the system, it is your duty, NEVER let them make you feel guilty about such a honorable act: violence against the oppressor.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

I appreciate thoughts like this, but again, I don't believe you've seen the things I have, which is probably the only way you would understand, so I won't bother explaining, it seems that naive human beings rarely understand anything they have not experienced...until that experience brings it home to them, they're just kind of passive observes "oh nobody is wrong, it's just that the world is a messed up place, it's everybodies fault"...hahah


see, real people like me though, who have experienced many things and are more aware of what is actually going on, DO understand, we've seen enough to know that it is truly justified for a palestinsan child to kill as many jews as possible and be proud of that, as we all should be.


same goes for impovershed youth im america, smash the system, it is your duty, NEVER let them make you feel guilty about such a honorable act: violence against the oppressor.

I don't know what the fuck you think you know, but if I ever met you in real life I'd kick the shit out of you and feel nothing about it. You are a fucking idiot.

 

[pacman9000]

I don't know what the fuck you think you know, but if I ever met you in real life I'd kick the shit out of you and feel nothing about it. You are a fucking idiot.

u ?


I must have hit to close to home, huh you fukin coward, lmao at you empty threats...youre a piece of sh1t, homo elvis impersonator, get off my nuts homo.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

u ?


I must have hit to close to home, huh you fukin coward, lmao at you empty threats...youre a piece of sh1t, homo elvis impersonator, get off my nuts homo.

Wow what a well thought out, well written, compelling argument! I stand corrected: you win.

 

[Flangerhans]

I appreciate thoughts like this, but again, I don't believe you've seen the things I have, which is probably the only way you would understand, so I won't bother explaining, it seems that naive human beings rarely understand anything they have not experienced...until that experience brings it home to them, they're just kind of passive observes "oh nobody is wrong, it's just that the world is a messed up place, it's everybodies fault"...hahah


see, real people like me though, who have experienced many things and are more aware of what is actually going on, DO understand, we've seen enough to know that it is truly justified for a palestinsan child to kill as many jews as possible and be proud of that, as we all should be.


same goes for impovershed youth im america, smash the system, it is your duty, NEVER let them make you feel guilty about such a honorable act: violence against the oppressor.

OK, buddy. First off, I am a "real person." I've probably experienced more than my share as one, and some of my biggest mistakes have led me to totally reject the stuff you advocate. There is no justification for killing someone solely because of their nationality, there is never any pride in killing even when it is necessary, and if you use violence, you should expect the same used against you.
Secondly, I did not say that it was everyone's fault, I stated that it was the individual's responsibility to change things through his own deeds. The difference is not clear for semantic reasons, but it is philosophically valid.
Let me ask you this: If someone dear to you was murdered due to their income level, race, or religious credo, would your feelings change because their death was "justified?" Do you even know who the "oppressor" is? Have you ever actually killed someone? If any of these answers is a no, you haven't the courage of your convictions and have just listened to too much Rage Against the Machine.

 

[Steve Henningsgard]

...listened to too much Rage Against the Machine.

Hey, NO ONE has listened to TOO MUCH Rage Against the Machine alright?

 

[Rodrev]

Free

64studio is a free and working DAW platform!/

DAW programs exist for free, in an enviroment where the user can directly communicate with the creators, and participate in the development at any level. This April, Ubuntustudio will be on the free market, and I believe that this is a platform many digital artist will turn to in time.

I believe that the future of software lies in free software (as in free speech not as in free beer), and not in the large companies like Microsoft and Digi.

- RCA didnt want FM radio, cause they had a monopoly on AM.

- Hollywood didnt want VCRs, cause people would tape their films off TV.

- The record industry doesnt like filesharing, cause they understand that artist can promote themselves this way using this channel, and thereby make their lousy management deals obsolete

- Software companies dont like Free (not as in free beer) software, cause people understand that it aint rocketscience to make a plugin, and that the commercial software isnt always the better choice.

But I believe in a free market, and not in feudalism, as I would never take money for a Mp3, neither purchase, copy, listen to, watch or publish a product with DRM.

Cheers
Baard

 

[pacman9000]

OK, buddy. First off, I am a "real person." I've probably experienced more than my share as one, and some of my biggest mistakes have led me to totally reject the stuff you advocate. There is no justification for killing someone solely because of their nationality, there is never any pride in killing even when it is necessary, and if you use violence, you should expect the same used against you.
Secondly, I did not say that it was everyone's fault, I stated that it was the individual's responsibility to change things through his own deeds. The difference is not clear for semantic reasons, but it is philosophically valid.
Let me ask you this: If someone dear to you was murdered due to their income level, race, or religious credo, would your feelings change because their death was "justified?" Do you even know who the "oppressor" is? Have you ever actually killed someone? If any of these answers is a no, you haven't the courage of your convictions and have just listened to too much Rage Against the Machine.

well when zac dey la harvard roach died, I felt no remorse, I can tell you that....he was pretty wealthy and what else did he really do for the poor other then pretend to stick up for them by screaming incoherant nonsense over a cacaphony of guitars somehow convincing gullible college kids that he was leading some sort or revolution?...he made millions, and what has he really done to lead a fierce violent agenda against the pigs and the establishment? nothing.

If I had his money and influence (that he once had) I would have been leading riots everywhere...I've already been to jail and I'm not afraid of going back especially if it inspires others to take up arms or do whatever they can to subvert the agenda of the special interests who use the police as their private thugs to beat up people who don't agree with their savage political agenda....but they are very scared and some may know that energy has it's own will


ON the other hand, I stand up for the middle class or RICH kids when they are truly doing something that is helpful for the cause...

SEE, WHEN RICH KIDS STAND UP FOR THE RIGHTS OF THE LESS-FORTUNATE, YOU HAVE ALL THESE "TECHIES" AND CONSERVATIVES AND WHATNOT, SCREAMING "YOU'RE RICH YOU ASSHOLE, YOU'RE A FUKING HYPOCRIT"....THIS HAS ABSOLUTELY NO BASIS IN REALITY AND NOTHING IS FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH.

IT IS ABSOLUTLEY A GOOD THING FOR A MIDDLE CLASS OR RICH KID TO GO AGAINST THE GRAIN AND STAND UP FOR OPPRESSED PEOPLE.


LET'S TAKE CHE GUEVARA, PROBABLY THE BRAVEST SOLDIER WE HAVE HAD WHO TOOK UP ARMS AND USED GREAT STRATEGY AND WAS A GRREAT LEADER IN LEADING MEN (AND WOMEN) INTO GUERILLA WARFARE TO MURDER THE RIGHT WING DEATH SQUADS WHO WERE KILLING THE INNOCENT BECAUSE THE RICH WANTED THEM TO.


SO CHE GUEVARA IS A HYPOCRIT BECAUSE HE GREW UP AS AN UPPER MIDDLE CLASS KID IN ARGENTINA...I DON'T FUKIN THINK SO, HE JUST MAKES ALL YOU CONSERVATIVE RIGHT WING FAGGOTS REAL FUK IN DOESN'T HE.


WE NEED MORE MEN LIKE CHE GUEVARA, PHIL OCHS, AND MYSELF...AINT THAT THE GODDAMN TRUTH.

 

[wheelema]

...WE NEED MORE MEN LIKE CHE GUEVARA, PHIL OCHS, AND MYSELF...AINT THAT THE GODDAMN TRUTH.

Ernesto Guevara de la Serna and Phil Ochs were intelligent and articulate. You are an incoherent moron. I certainly agree that we need more of them, but sure as shit we could use a shitload fewer of you.

You might be useful on a suicide mission, but I doubt it. Shame.

 

[pacman9000]

Ernesto Guevara de la Serna and Phil Ochs were intelligent and articulate. You are an incoherent moron. I certainly agree that we need more of them, but sure as shit we could use a shitload fewer of you.

You might be useful on a suicide mission, but I doubt it. Shame.

Men like us are always victims of jealous rage from typical dull liberals such as yourself, while we're alive...


But I have thick skin, growing up in a tough street enviroment, yet with great parents (gene wise and also parental skills) so that I have a combination of toughness, street smarts and unmatched intellect, I'm impervious to the jealous hatred spewed at me from all directions, I just stay focused on avoiding the many obstacles in my path to eventually murder some right wing cowards in Phil and Che's honor.


you're nothing more then a liberal coward if you go against me, your jealousy, born out of weakness of mind and spirit, is evident.