Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[Toker41]

Hi, nice to meet you. There...now you do know somebody who doesn't own 1 illegal copy of a song. Why would I do that while wanting people to buy my music? Sinner? I won't make that judgement, but I know what a thief is. Now that legal downloads are widely available and affordable there is no excuse anymore.

RD

I still do not believe there is ONE among us that does not have at least 1 downloaded song. Maybe an old cassette of songs they taped off the radio, or copied an album on. A VHS of a movie that was recorded from a TV show without permission. A video clip on your harddrive of some nude woman that did not give you permission to download, or even view her image. Sorry, EVERYBODY STEALS in one way or another.

 

[jazzmaster]

I buy it

Hi,

I have downloaded cracked software in the past. I started multitracking with cubase 5 this way.

Now I buy the software. I do own cubase SX3, but nowadays you can as well buy cubase SE, from which you will propably not even use half the features. There is 1 issue nevertheless: cubase se is based on SX1 and cannot open SX2 and 3 projects. But SE 3 is on the way, so that will be a problem from the past.

I just bought also DFHS custom and vintage which is a 35 gig drum library: quite hard to download from kazaa.

Quite a lot of crack- downloaders are affected by the philatelist syndrome: downloading for the sake of it. Make a huge collection and never learn to use the soft well. "Look how many very expensive plugins I've got, hahaha, and I didn't pay a dime for them".

Support forums are flooded with people that cannot discern a wave file from a midi file, a sequenser from a plugin and a synth from a guitar. You can smell a crack user a mile away, "i've got cubase SX3 and a sounblaster card and no sound is coming out" . Some outgrow it some don't.

Hugo

lessons:

http://www.pego.be

backing tracks:

http://www.weedbackingtracks.com

 

[DaveO]

I don't ever recall using the word sinner in any of my posts. All I've ever said is that people give all kinds of reasons but they won't admit the real one - that it's easy to do and the risk of getting caught is extremely low. All the other claims of "not making any money from the software", "they make too much money as it is, charge less and I'll buy it", "they're just a greedy copmany who doesn't care what the working musician can afford" are just BS.

There's very little, if any, truth in any of those reasons. If there was, then all the people who proudly brag about not being stupid enough to pay for software would also proudly brag about stealing their amps, their guitars, their keyboards, the car they load it all into when they drive to gigs, etc. The fact is they do it because they can.

 

[Robert D]

I still do not believe there is ONE among us that does not have at least 1 downloaded song. Maybe an old cassette of songs they taped off the radio, or copied an album on. A VHS of a movie that was recorded from a TV show without permission. A video clip on your harddrive of some nude woman that did not give you permission to download, or even view her image. Sorry, EVERYBODY STEALS in one way or another.

Oh, I have downloaded songs......paid 95 cents each to download them. I've had friends tell me to copy thier massive collection that they got by file sharing sites, and I say "no thank you, I'd rather support the artists". No copied movies, no cassettes.......Sorry, your wrong. NOT EVERYBODY STEALS in one way or another.

-RD

 

[XerXes]

I don't know one person that doesn't have at least 1 illegal copy of a song.

now you do.
me.

EDIT: i didn't read the rest of the post. i guess there are other people like me out there too.

 

[Toker41]

I noticed you didn't say that you have never viewed porn on the PC. 90% of porn pics are NOT authorized by the individual in the photo, or video clip, and 95% of porn on any given porn site is not obtained legally by the site, thus, just by viewing it you have stolen.

Are you still throwing the first stone?

How 'bout this....
...You didn't mention if you have ever recorded a TV program on VHS. This is illegal, and stealing, just as is was to record songs from the radio to cassette. The music, and film, and Television industry was just as active trying to control these problems as they are with digital music. I find it hard to believe that the 2 guys that say they never steal are completely innocent of these crimes.

Ever buy a T-shirt from a bootlegger outside a concert?
Ever buy a ticket from a scalper?

I still say there is NOBODY here that is without sin, so stop judging the rest of us with the "holier than thou" crap.

 

[fraserhutch]

You see, here is the perfect illustration of the pitfalls of allowing your personal integrity to degrade - you start to assume that everyone else has.

Regardless, it makes no difference. The fact that others do the same thing does not excuse your behavior - that is all rationalization.

Theft is theft. How you live with yourself is your business.

 

[Toker41]

You see, here is the perfect illustration of the pitfalls of allowing your personal integrity to degrade - you start to assume that everyone else has.

Regardless, it makes no difference. The fact that others do the same thing does not excuse your behavior - that is all rationalization.

Theft is theft. How you live with yourself is your business.

I am not trying to rationalize my behavior at all. Amazing how you hear (read) what you want to hear (read). Nowhere did I say anything about downloading being "right" or "wrong". I am simply pointing out that people should not be so publicly judgmental, and outwardly critical of those downloading. There is nobody that is perfect, and at one time or another EVERYBODY lies, steals, or cheats. Even those that try not to, or see themselves as "oh so good", do bad things from time to time. Nobody here has the right to judge greater and lesser evil.

Tell ya what, though...
...it sure would be nice if all the people that spend so much time bitching at the people who download music and software, would turn that in the direction of the Music Industry which has not only been stealing from the consumer (fan) for years, but was found guilty of price fixing and over charging for CDs in a Court of Law. They were ordered to pay EVERYONE that registered online as a defendant $3.00 restitution. Very few people registered, because it did not get nearly the media coverage the P2P filing sharing gets. Prices for CD's have remained the same since the case. Thus they continue to steal from the consumer (fan).
In no way do I claim this justifies Illegal downloading of music. I am simply pointing out how the mind set of the public has been manipulated to become their soldiers on the battle field of profit, making you believe you are fighting for the artist, when in fact you are fighting for the devil. All the while they continue to pick our pocket. If you are going to be angry at someone for stealing, how about being angry at them for awhile instead? They make $95 percent of the profit on CD sales, and the artist makes very little. You people are beating up the wrong bad guys.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

How 'bout this....
...You didn't mention if you have ever recorded a TV program on VHS. This is illegal, and stealing, just as is was to record songs from the radio to cassette.

This is completely untrue........... neither are copyright violations. 1) Copying a TV program onto VHS falls under "personal use" and is legal unless you re-sell/re-package the program for your own profit. 2) Taping radio programs is legal because the station has already paid the required licensing fees to the artist for the public broadcast. As well, taping for your own use is legal under the "personal use" clause.

Pirating s/w has nothing to do with either of these actions and is completely illegal in every sense.

 

[fraserhutch]

I am not trying to rationalize my behavior at all. Amazing how you hear (read) what you want to hear (read). Nowhere did I say anything about downloading being "right" or "wrong". I am simply pointing out that people should not be so publicly judgmental, and outwardly critical of those downloading. There is nobody that is perfect, and at one time or another EVERYBODY lies, steals, or cheats. Even those that try not to, or see themselves as "oh so good", do bad things from time to time. Nobody here has the right to judge greater and lesser evil.

Tell ya what, though...
In no way do I claim this justifies Illegal downloading of music. I am simply pointing out how the mind set of the public has been manipulated to become their soldiers on the battle field of profit, making you believe you are fighting for the artist, when in fact you are fighting for the devil. All the while they continue to pick our pocket. If you are going to be angry at someone for stealing, how about being angry at them for awhile instead? They make $95 percent of the profit on CD sales, and the artist makes very little. You people are beating up the wrong bad guys.

I don't know for a fact, not do I give a rat's ass whether you steal or not. Specifically, I was referring to that tired and morally bankrupt argument that you are using which postulates that everyone pirates. I see the acceptance of that argument as a result of when one's own integrity has degraded - how can one believe that others can have integrity when one's self does not?.

What you posit is NOT a fact. There are many people who do not pirate material.

AND - I DO have every right to judge those who steal. In fact, it is my obligation, as it should be eveyone's - If not me, who? If something is wrong, I will speak out against it, and I epxect others to feel and do likewise. If I do that wrong, I *expect* someone else to speak out against me. The difference here Apparently being that I have a moral code that tells me what is right and what is wrong, and that I have learnt from experience not to allow myself to rationailze things away.

And this argument has NOTHING to do with the prices charged by the record companies. That is just another tired and once again morally bankrupt rationailzation for theft - in fact, where is it written that you are entitled to their product? These companies are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to provide you with music. You have no moral basis for the theft. Period.

And I do know that you "claim" that it is not a justification, but if you didn't believe it at some level, why throw it in here?

 

[Toker41]

I don't know for a fact, not do I give a rat's ass whether you steal or not. Specifically, I was referring to that tired and morally bankrupt argument that you are using which postulates that everyone pirates. I see the acceptance of that argument as a result of when one's own integrity has degraded - how can one believe that others can have integrity when one's self does not?.

What you posit is NOT a fact. There are many people who do not pirate material.

AND - I DO have every right to judge those who steal. In fact, it is my obligation, as it should be eveyone's - If not me, who? If something is wrong, I will speak out against it, and I epxect others to feel and do likewise. If I do that wrong, I *expect* someone else to speak out against me. The difference here Apparently being that I have a moral code that tells me what is right and what is wrong, and that I have learnt from experience not to allow myself to rationailze things away.

And this argument has NOTHING to do with the prices charged by the record companies. That is just another tired and once again morally bankrupt rationailzation for theft - in fact, where is it written that you are entitled to their product? These companies are under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to provide you with music. You have no moral basis for the theft. Period.

And I do know that you "claim" that it is not a justification, but if you didn't believe it at some level, why throw it in here?

All your big words, and you still show signs of a small mind...

Again, you simply read what you want into my statement. I steal, it's wrong. Period. I am not defending, or justifying it in any way, shape, or form. NEVER did I say that what the industry does justifies pirating. 2 different issues. I'm simply stating that you are selective on what "evils" you choose to speak out about.
I never said that how the industry overcharges is a justification for stealing from them. I simply point out that you DO NOT speak out when things are wrong. You DO NOT speak out when the industry steals from the consumer, only when the consumer steals from the industry. In fact, you seem to not really care at all when the consumer is the one that is being ripped off. AGAIN, I DO NOT CLAIM THAT ONE JUSTIFIES THE OTHER. I simply point out that you are selective about what "wrongs" you speak out about. You have been manipulated by the industry to see one evil, while accepting the other. Another sign of a small mind (along with your atrocious spelling). AGAIN , I DO NOT CLAIM THAT ONE JUSTIFIES THE OTHER. One has nothing to do with the other, and even if the industry lowered the prices, people would still steal, because they can. That is what it comes down to.
You have no right to judge me, or anyone else. There was only one perfect person, and they crucified him. Live and let live. So, screw you, and your judgment. "...if not me, who?" Wow! Kinda full of yourself, huh? Yet you have nothing to say about the industry ripping off the artist for decades. I really find this puzzling.
I never said that EVERYBODY PIRATES. I listed many ways people "steal", but you only read the ones you wanted to read. I said that EVERYBODY steals, lies, or cheats at times through out their lives, in one way or another, no matter how hard they may try to be a good person. EVERYBODY! NOBODY is without sin, thus nobody has the right to judge. Read you bible before you beat people on the head with it.
I find it funny how you speak out when you are not the one that people are stealing from, yet you defend, and rationalize the industries wrong when they are stealing from you. Of course I know that you will see this as me "rationalizing" my theft, but it is not. It is simply an observation, not a rationalization.

 

[fraserhutch]

All your big words, and you still show signs of a small mind...

Again, you simply read what you want into my statement. I steal, it's wrong. Period. I am not defending, or justifying it in any way, shape, or form. NEVER did I say that what the industry does justifies pirating. 2 different issues. I'm simply stating that you are selective on what "evils" you choose to speak out about.

uum, you so readily accuse people of having cmall minds, but my god, dude, yours is the smallest I have ever run across.

You don't know whether I speak out against the record industry. In fact, it has nothing to do with this thread. My god. I can't believe I'm wasting time with you. I'm done.

 

[c7sus]

Yo Toker....

A recording sw company stole from you????

Which one???

 

[earthboundrec]

Some Sweedish fucks broke into my house yesterday, beat the fuck out of me, trashed all my equipment, and started fuckin' my girlfriend right in front of me. AND THAT BITCH WAS INTO IT...

That's the last time I pirate Reason!

(for the record, I actually own a legit copy of Reason)

 

[Robert D]

Toker - What exactly is your point? Let's assume for a minute, just for the sake of argument, that you're right, which by the way you're not......but let's just say even the Pope steals in some innocent and inconsequential way. Then what does that mean to the argument against blatant and knowing theft? Are we to be a lawless society because Jesus is dead, and he was the only one who had the right to accuse anyone of wrongdoing? What kind of world would that give us?

-RD

 

[Pinachi]

Wow this topic went way out of controll,

BTW Jesus is not dead

 

[KonradG]

You gatta buy pro tools
so i buy

 

[Toker41]

My point is, if you don't do it, fine, but don't be pointing fingers at me because I do. None of us are perfect, and you should choose your battles more carefully. I'm not saying that downloading is right, I'm simply confused as to why it is such a "hype" topic, with threads about it all the time, yet the other end of it is never really discussed, and the consumer (you guys) don't even seem to care when it is you that is being robbed. It's really ass-backwards.

As far as "no one if forcing you but buy the music". If the music industry involves itself (which it does) in price fixing, it is, in essence, stealing from the consumer. They were found guilty in a court of law of doing this. It was NOT heavily covered by the media, and the Industry itself surely did not go out of it's way to make sure it was widely known that they had to pay retribution to any consumer that logged onto the website. It also continues to happen to this day. When it happened, there was a thread on one of these sites (don't remember which one, I belong to a lot) that got very little response. However, if you put "Is PIRATING stealing" you get a TON of replies, because the Industry has hyped the topic. The public has been programed.
So my original statement was merely meant to show my puzzlement about why the consumer (you) is so eager to be judge, jury, and executioner toward another consumer when they see wrong, yet so willing to turn a blind, non-caring eye toward the Industry for which they so quickly defend? An Industry that has been stealing from the consumer, and the artist for decades. I in now way say this justifies pirating, I am simply saying that it would be nice to see a few threads that attack the other "wrong", and inform the consumer. There is no greater or lesser evil, here, just one that gets discussed and pushed by the Industry, and one that doesn't.

fraserhutch....threads evolve as any conversation would. This did not take it off topic, you are simply small minded, and suffer tunnel vision. Also, you seem to have some "control issues", along with denial, and delusions of grandeur.

As far as "not everyone steals". Tell yourself what ever you want. If you believe the bible, it states very clearly that NO ONE IS WITHOUT SIN. I do not believe I am wrong when I say that EVERYBODY steals, lies, or cheats from time to time. Tell yourself anything you want to make yourself feel better, or make yourself feel above others. However..."Judge not, lest ye be judged".

 

[Pinachi]

Toker,

I'm sorry to take this off topic,but when bible says that "everyone sinned and came short of Gods glory" it didnt mean that everyone can keep on sinning,it just meant that EVERYONE needs Jesus to be forgiven.

O Oh i think we having a bible study here,HA HA HA j/k i'l stop now.

I'm not judging,but in my book if you keep it clean you will allways enjoy the benefits,and if you dont,then its still doing right.If its doing right then you cant go wrong

Enjoy

 

[Robert D]

Toker,

but when bible says that "everyone sinned and came short of Gods glory" it didnt mean that everyone can keep on sinning,
Enjoy

Can I get an AMEN brothers and sisters! And I hope that whenever I stray from the path of rightousness, that the good people, sinners that they all are in some small degree, will have the audacity to point me in the right direction.