Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[noisedude]

That's cool. The studios here are very good but you don't get a whole lot of time in them. The College seems to be more flexible as a lot of local bands get their mates to record their demos for them there.

 

[regebro]

Actually, I got Ableton Crippleware bundled with my Delta 1010LT, and the upgrade cost is a very decent 249 Euros, so I'll probably go with that. Hmm. Time for a new thread.

 

[d(-_-)b-Phones]

www.be-cool.org

 

[mattamatta]

In my opinion, there's just something about getting the box and goodies that makes things more fun, as well.

I'd much rather pay an extra 5 bucks for a boxed version of anything than for a download from the site type version. Although that 5 bucks could buy me a burrito... Everything is so expensive when you think in terms of how many carne asada burritos you could buy with that money.

Let alone 99c tacos! =O

 

[kedman]

Sonar and Linux

I'm using both Sonar on XP and Audacity / Ardour on Linux.
Soon as the Linux stuff is a bit easier to load and run I will start using that more.
As yet I have some install probs with the Linux stuff ( I Used FC3 and there only just getting FC 3 stuff out)
I aslo have problems with Sonar 3 and as yet the only option I seem to get now is Buy Sonar 4.

I think this year will see the Open source stuff move into more mainstream with advanced users, and yes I would like , and use, Sonar on a linux box it's still a good programe.

Just my 2 p's worth

Bob

 

[Giganova]

I used to download tons of stuff when I started out to check them out. I can feel especially the younger folks here who simply don't have like $900.- for Logic! However, as soon as I started getting serious about recording, I bought my software. Before, when I downloaded illegal stuff, my computer was giving me TONS of problems which weren't manageble anymore (viruses, corrupted registry, adware, you name it, I had it).

By buying stuff you end up having a much more stable system plus support, and that's extremely important if you are serious about recording.

 

[Giganova]

I'm not too crazy about thus thread, but hey, that's an interesting poll:

Its a large number statistics with almost 400 votes, which should be rather accurate (not like a Fox News exit poll with like 20 vots). According to the poll, less then half of all people here buy their software (42%), while the majority has at least in part stolen software! Keep in mind that this is not a techno/electronic music forum where everyone has a stolen copy of Reason. There's some serious folks here, and yet, people don't seem to take buying their software too serious.

 

[Toker41]

I nabbed Cubase, Sonar, Pro-tools, etc., from P2P. I ended up liking N-Track the best. Where others ran as much as $900, N-Track was $40, and the support was OUTSTANDING! So, I paid for it. It does everything the other do. Everything! It goes to show that the musician IS getting ripped off by manufactures of the products we buy to create our art. Case in point...I defy you to show me a new Les Paul that is worth anywhere near $3000! It's not just the recording industry that has been robbing us blind, the manufactures have been beating us up pretty bad for the last 20 years or so, also. When a product can be put out for $40, and it is just as good (better in some things), as the $900 product...I have no problem paying for it. Happy to support it.

 

[fraserhutch]

I used to download tons of stuff when I started out to check them out. I can feel especially the younger folks here who simply don't have like $900.- for Logic! However, as soon as I started getting serious about recording, I bought my software. Before, when I downloaded illegal stuff, my computer was giving me TONS of problems which weren't manageble anymore (viruses, corrupted registry, adware, you name it, I had it).

I have no issue with those who want to download software for evaluation. Try it out. Play with for a while. My feeling is, if you end up using it, you should pay for it., Don't like the price? Find another package. If you use it without paying for it, that is theft, plain and simple, no matter what your rationale is. This is *especially* but not exclusively true if you make ANY money at all with it.

If you can live with yourself for ripping other musicians off, then you are a very different person than that I would want to generally associate with.

 

[KonradG]

C'mon, Brett, you gotta come up with something better than that. It's OK to steal because I'm poor and I'm gonna reform once I have some money?

Sorry, but that just doesn't cut it.

Wanting something you can't afford should lead to motivation, work ethic, drive, innovation, etc. etc. Not stealing.

Agreed, but why do you care?

 

[deepwater]

You can buy an other version and upgrade. Example: I just bought Samplitude 6 off Ebay for $25.00 (never even opened) and upgrading to Samplitude 8 for $199.00. So I paid $225.00 for a $599.00 program. Heck Samplitude 6 is killer by it's self with no upgrade. So you can get great software for cheap just by getting the earlier version which nowdays is a usable as anything.

 

[Giganova]

yeah, I did the same with Logic: got a cheapo v.4 and upgraded to 5.5.1 for next to nothing

 

[Toker41]

I have no issue with those who want to download software for evaluation. Try it out. Play with for a while. My feeling is, if you end up using it, you should pay for it., Don't like the price? Find another package. If you use it without paying for it, that is theft, plain and simple, no matter what your rationale is. This is *especially* but not exclusively true if you make ANY money at all with it.

If you can live with yourself for ripping other musicians off, then you are a very different person than that I would want to generally associate with.

But it's ok the the musician has been getting ripped off from every end of the business? Where are you to stand up for us when Gibson wants $3000 for a guitar that has gone up at 75% faster than the rate of inflation in the last 15 years? Where were you when groups like TLC have the biggest selling CD of the year, yet make less than $35,000 for it? Where were you when that asshole Lars was screaming that his fans were stealing from them, and closed down Napster leaving the little guy with no means to have his music heard without involving the money grubbing "industry". The record companies were found in a court of law, to be ripping off consumers for years by price fixing and over charging for CDs....the class action settlement....$3.00 to any consumer that knew about the little reported court case and listed their name on a website.
The musician has been getting ripped off for years from every end of the business.....including the manufactures of software, and equipment. EVERYBODY in the music business steals from the artist, with few exceptions. Then all you guys are screaming at the little guy "DON'T STEAL!, IT'S WRONG!" The artist is the only one that has to play fair?
Although, I pay for all my recording software (to avoid bugs, and allow for updates), I believe that it's a nice change to see the struggling musician, or artist have the upper hand for once. It's easy to say "don't buy it , if you feel it's too expensive". However, try being an artist that doesn't have a lot of money (if any), and no means to produce your art. Not everybody that is poor, is poor because they lack "work ethics". Life just shits on some people, no matter how hard they try. Then when the poor sap gets on here and says "I don't have much money, what is a good product that I can afford?", everybody starts bashing Behringer, and other such products that try to cut the little guy a break. So now the company that tries to produce a decent product for people that are on a tight budget gets a bad rep because a bunch of people bash it because it cost less then then the product they use. Most of the time, the people bashing the lower cost products have never even used them.
When you charge $900 for a program, and the target market is a bunch of musicians....you should expect theft. I don't know to many musicians that aren't poor.

Like I said, try N-Track (Fasoft.com). It's a $40 program that does everything the more expensive proggies do, and shows that the other guys are ripping us off. I don't know one person that uses it that had a problem paying for it. It is also the least "stolen" recording program. Because it is so cheap, I don't know anybody that is willing to share the reg. codes. You will not find this product on any P2P.

Produce it at a decent price....and maybe people won't steal it.

 

[kedman]

Good points!!

Like I said, try N-Track (Fasoft.com). It's a $40 program that does everything the more expensive proggies do, and shows that the other guys are ripping us off. I don't know one person that uses it that had a problem paying for it. It is also the least "stolen" recording program. Because it is so cheap, I don't know anybody that is willing to share the reg. codes. You will not find this product on any P2P.

Produce it at a decent price....and maybe people won't steal it.

HI
2 Points:
1 Sonar is buggy full stop! and I'm expected to pay for upgrades to fix their software!!

2 Behringer does what it says on the box and at a good price. it's designed in Germany and made in China, so is most of the more expensive stuff, and who cares who makes it!
as long as it does the job.
The music buisiness is like the fashion industry, mostly full of crap.
The difference is that music is far more important to us as musicians and users.

Its up to us to use the technology and bypass the bigger companies, as is happening with Microsoft and Linux. If you stitch up your people they will move at first chance!

Just of to Fasoft.com to take a look.
Cheers
Bob

 

[Giganova]

Like I said, try N-Track (Fasoft.com). It's a $40 program that does everything the more expensive proggies do,

?? Seems like you have never tried one of the "major" software like Logic, Sonar, Nuendo, etc. Your statement is just flatout wrong.

 

[deepwater]

?? Seems like you have never tried one of the "major" software like Logic, Sonar, Nuendo, etc. Your statement is just flatout wrong.

Thats true. The old Samplitude 6 which you can grab for 25-75 off ebay will kick N-tracks butt all day.

 

[fraserhutch]

But it's ok the the musician has been getting ripped off from every end of the business? Where are you to stand up for us when Gibson wants $3000 for a guitar that has gone up at 75% faster than the rate of inflation in the last 15 years? ......

The fact that you feel that musicians have been ripped of for so many years is hardly a justification for pirating software or theft.

 

[fraserhutch]

HI
2 Points:
1 Sonar is buggy full stop! and I'm expected to pay for upgrades to fix their software!!

You are expected to pay for the upgrades if you want to continue to use the software. If you don't then don't upgrade.
All software has bugs. There is no getting around that.

2 Behringer does what it says on the box and at a good price. it's designed in Germany and made in China, so is most of the more expensive stuff, and who cares who makes it!
as long as it does the job.

If you think a Behringer compares to other boards.......... well ..... if it does the job for you, then all the power to you.

The music buisiness is like the fashion industry, mostly full of crap.
The difference is that music is far more important to us as musicians and users.

If you do your homework and research, then you should end up with the product that fills your needs. Otherwise, you may fall prey to marketing hype. This is true of all industries.

None of this is a valid rationale for pirating.

 

[kedman]

Mackie?

"if you think a Behringer compares to other boards.......... well ..... if it does the job for you, then all the power to you."

For the price yes, I have used Soundcraft and Mackie both Live and in the studio over the years, I personally have never rated the Mackie EQ and neither did most of the engineers
I worked with but they were cheap at the time. (as behringer are now)
I'm stiil getting my head round the DDX at the moment, but the inputs seem quiet.
I still rate Soundcraft as the best EQ on their higher end mixers, IE the ' Europa '

In a small studio set up you have to take a chance and work a bit harder to get the results you want.

 

[Toker41]

?? Seems like you have never tried one of the "major" software like Logic, Sonar, Nuendo, etc. Your statement is just flatout wrong.

Then you didn't read my statement! I clearly said I nabbed Sonar, Protools, etc. from P2P. I have tried them all. N-track does everything the other do.
Question is, have you tried it? Would seem YOUR statement is just flatout wrong. Also, what makes the others "Major"? The cost?