Do you really buy that expensive recording software?

[kidoo]

It's the same problem as downloading free music and movies. The writers of software deserves money for their efforts, just like songwriters and moviemakers

 

[Mully]

Good topic....enjoyed the read.

At the end of the day, if you are going to profit from your 'freebie' software, then you have NO excuse not to be buying it... let alone for any other reasons.

As for buying a product to ensure support... those days are gone. Sure some manufacturers are great... not enough to give this consumer confidence that he'll get support with anything he buys.

Anyway...

 

[logan01]

Full Version for 60 days

The guys that do Sonar have the right idea. You can get a FULL working version to try out for 60 days entirely free of charge.
If software companies did this as a rule I would be entirely opposed to piracy.
I think people should have an oppurtunity to fully check out the program before they have to commit themselves to buying it. That way people can't be taken advantage of.

 

[spinynorman]

Previously I had used a Roland VS1680 in my studio.Before I made the switch to a P.C DAW I tried and tested many warezed Progs(Logic,Samplitude,Vegas.......etc,etc) and I'm glad I did.12 months of this(some had pretty steep learning curves) led me to the right one for me.It took me 6 months to get my head around Logic and I hated it,I took 3 or 4 weeks to figure out cubase and get comfortable with it.
When I ordered my MAudio Delta 1010 I also ordered Cubase SX and havent' looked back.
I have no moral justifications for this.I did it this way because I didnt have $1000 AUS to throw away on the wrong choice

I dont want to argue the point but Im glad to have had the opportunity to make an informed choice.On the hand it is now great to be a registered user of Cubase and be able to benifit from Company support and the huge knowledge base at the Cubase forums.
I am now greedily eyeing off the Cubase SX3 upgrade.

take care - Matt Disney,Vocal Arts Studio

 

[manning1]

DOPPS - if you want a superb multitracker try pgmusic.com.
powertracks that use. 48 tracks, 24 bit audio, multiple in souind card support and a million and one other features including notation/editing
all for 29 bucks. if you think i'm lying go talk to the pro's using it on the powertracks forum at pg. dont let the low price fool you. this is a superb product ive used for years. also the low upgrade price each year of 19 bucks keeps me loyal as new versions come out.
if you dont believe me try the demo and talk to folks on the forum.
with a good sound card you'll make high quality pro sound and songs.
peace. and if anybody else doubts what i'm saying is true just try the demo,
and talk to other users. the audio recording features and built in fx are worth the money alone.
peace.

 

[Mountainmirrors]

There's no excuse not to buy your DAW with kick ass cheap programs like N-Track, Magix and Traktion.
I use Sonar, and with the v.4 update shipping tomorrow, there's no looking back!

 

[gasal69]

What about Robin Hood?

It took me whole day to read this thread.
I remember thread about Peter Quistgard (pirate download version of Cool Edit Pro).

I see the vote results ~40% legal against ~20% pirate

While I'm here, I use the opportunity to ask Q about a guy who was always described as a hero. ROBIN HOOD.

Wasn't he just a thief?

I see the difference. He did not make any money of it but still...
Just trying to make thread a little bit longer.
(One more step to get my custom avatar one day.)

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

I see the vote results ~40% legal against ~20% pirate

Actually - if you read the poll options, the ratio really is:
Legal: 42.86%
Not legal: 57.15%

The option of "I do both" has be counted on the illegal side - no one can be "sorta guilty", you're either using s/w illegally, or you're not.......

 

[gasal69]

Actually - if you read the poll options, the ratio really is:
Legal: 42.86%
Not legal: 57.15%

The option of "I do both" has be counted on the illegal side - no one can be "sorta guilty", you're either using s/w illegally, or you're not.......

I agree with you (on this one)!
Which means pirates are the winners.
1. What conclusion can we make from this "research"?
2. Who gives right to those 42,86% to judge the other 57,15%?

They talk about morals, ethics etc. But major group has another opinion.
Why should minority make the rules or moral norms etc?
Just a one of my many weird thoughts.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

If a majority segment of the population would be deem murder to be acceptable, would that make it right?

 

[lpdeluxe]

I firmly believe that if you are not a thief you have a moral obligation, if not to judge the thieves, then to act on the knowledge that they are thieves and secure your gear accordingly. To all of you espousing situational ethics, don't come to my house. It's too damn much trouble for me to count the silverware every time.

I guess this is just a hell of a difficult concept for some of you.

 

[Mountainmirrors]

"If a majority segment of the population would be deem murder to be acceptable, would that make it right?"


Well...kind of. It's perfectly ok to creep up on a gentle, harmless deer in the woods and blow its' head off. Umm...I probably opened up a useless can of worms here, but yeah.

I'm not advocating using bootleg software. I bought my Cakewalk Sonar 4, Project 5, z3ta+ and a bunch of plugins. But I believe in Karma. Not everyone does. That doesn't make Karma a truth or a lie.

 

[gasal69]

Double moral

Someone wrote :”I buy my software and now I’m broke.
The other one download it and used money for food and s for his
Children

My friends and I have same discussion at home.
Some of them mean its OK download music but wrong to steal something else and so on.
There is something what I would like to call “Double moral”

I am thinking about issue as abort clinics, plastic surgery, fishing, hunt, war in Iraq (Vietnam, Korea Bosnia) etc.

What about prostitution? What about guys with expensive gars making fun with poor kids?

Just a thought!

P. S. I do not take side here. I want to find out what most people mean of those issues.

My opinion is next:
Society is fucked and honesty is not being paid off.
The jungle is better place. Rules in the jungle are always the same.
In our society are too much rules, morals, ethics which change their faces from one day to another. Honest guy seldom survives.

But I give all my respect to the honest guy. I really do.

 

[Blue Bear Sound]

My opinion is next:
Society is fucked and honesty is not being paid off.
The jungle is better place. Rules in the jungle are always the same.
In our society are too much rules, morals, ethics which change their faces from one day to another. Honest guy seldom survives.

I disagree with you... I guess I beleive in Karma too - although I never think of it that way.

At the end of the day, one has to live with themselves. In n years, when one is within range of their deathbed, and they're looking out the window reflecting on their lives, I can't imagine a worst feeling than looking back and not being able to recall a life that had any meaning - having been spent only taking from everyone else. (Not just s/w theft, obviously... in general people whose personal value systems condone theft are also lacking in many other postive value characteristics that would otherwise make them a useful asset to society.....)

 

[lpdeluxe]

The jungle is a better place...

No it's not. There's no responsibility to straighten out the world, just yourself.

 

[Strryder]

If people keep on pirating software, the day may come when by either government regulation, or agreement among software developers, a new and completely invasive method of anti-piracy is instituted...

Imagine if everytime you logged onto the internet your HD's and windows regestry needed to be "searched" automatically, and any installed software without an authorized iLok would be deleted/uninstalled as well as notification and a record of evidence sent to a government agency who's only job would be to prosecute such offenders. Also imagine if every program installer applet ran it's own "search and destroy" mission before installing it's program/plugin, and if it found un-authorized software it deleted every single registry key, as well as cripple the OS, thereby requiring a full re-install/re-authorization of everything from scratch.

One thing that history shows us is that when a population cannot control itself, the government will take steps to institute such control, and the cost of course, is another level of personal freedom removed from our choice.

There are just WAY WAY too many programs that are either free, or available in the 100-200 dollar range for ANYONE to justify stealing the more expensive programs, the only reason for this is pure and simple greed, if someone can get the hardware required for computer based recording, they have no excuse at all that's good enough, period. Those that cannot afford to record need to start doing what is the right way to get what you want, WORK for it.

 

[Treeline]

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To all of you espousing situational ethics, don't come to my house. It's too damn much trouble for me to count the silverware every time.

Bingo.


I can't understand why this topic could generate pages of posts. Jeez - talk about hypocricy. Do you guys steal cigarettes too? Pilfer gum at the grocery checkout? Razor out the tags on store CDs? Snitch Grandma's purse change? Help yourself to her pain meds? Careful - someone's counting her morphine ampules every morning and every night. Thought you should know that.



I'm having a hard time believing this thread is real. C'mon - let's aspire to a cockroach's morals at least, for starters. I bet the novelty would make it fun.

 

[Shack]

I used to go searching for and downloading loads of pirate stuff. Slowly and at the most crucial times, each and everyone of them came back to bite me without fail. At times it was the software, at times it was just the sites I was accessing messed up my system anf then you have to clean up and then you lose some other pirated stuff you were using ages ago and have forgotten the codes for. Trust me, it just ain'tworth it! Nowadays I just buy the software any how I can by saving up or by credit because I am getting to a level in my music now that I can not afford to be messed up by some dodgy thing I got for free. End of the day time is money, dodgy software not working or causing other problems is time lost and hence you are actually losing money.

 

[lykwydchykyn]

=There are just WAY WAY too many programs that are either free, or available in the 100-200 dollar range for ANYONE to justify stealing the more expensive programs, the only reason for this is pure and simple greed, if someone can get the hardware required for computer based recording, they have no excuse at all that's good enough, period. Those that cannot afford to record need to start doing what is the right way to get what you want, WORK for it.

I agree; you can get all kinds of things freeware or open source these days, if you really need the features of commercial software, you should pay. I paid $59 for cakewalk home studio a few years ago on closeout, and used it for a good year doing paid projects until I could upgrade to Sonar. People act like you can't get into recording software for less than $600, and that's just nonsense. Nonsense.

I think some people are just to lazy to investigate, and since the filesharing stuff is right there, they just steal for convenience.

Anyway, this is a dead horse. Post count +1.

 

[lectrond]

When it comes to Software for recording, I have to admit that I have downloaded quite a bit. What I found was that I am glad I did'nt pay $500 and $800 for this stuff. I trashed most of it. What I do have are programs that are not supported anymore. If you record with Apples, then you know that anything that was made for OS-9.xx has now been abandoned for
OSX. And I do mean Abandoned! What I have found is that, for all its promise, Computer software with all its plugins and effects modules cannot take the place of a smartly equipped studio. I use my computer as a Recording medium and post production editor. For that you only need multi-track recording software with editing caps. This is simple stuff. Almost share ware. I can run Deck 3.5 on my G4 and turn on all the bells and whistles and the final sound is full of Atifacts from mutilple digital manipulations. Its not worth it to peg the CPU meter and listen to latent tracks. The bigest offender is Garage Band that allows anyone to now create Cookie Cutter music. Go to the GB web site and listen to all the disapointed people. Software can't replace creativity.