Anfontan
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Seems like you are playing fuller chords that most people would play with heavy distortion. Try for sparser chords like the root and 5th and it should beef up the tones quite a bit.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
By muddy I mean there isnt enough high mids/high end. It sounds dull and lifeless compared to the guitars like Deftones.
btw guitars can still sound muddy even if they are ear piercing with high end. Im trying to get smooth highs, so the gutiars are clear without sounding harsh and dull like mine usually do. And I dont want to cut so much low mids out of the guitars to make them thin.
Cheers,
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Eck,
Why not try a stomp box on your clean channel? If you can't get the amp's effects to do what you need, out-source!
And I'd see about getting an SM58...
Ive thought about that but Ive had so many folk saying that amp distortion produces much more professional results compared to stomp boxes for recording.
Cheers,
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Heres the guitars in a quick mix, just to see how they sound with more instruments to hold them up.
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=10017
I think it sounds not bad. The bass definetly adds meat to the guitars, although they still dont have much upfront presentness to them.
Let us know what yous think of the guitars in the mix please.
Cheers,
Eck
http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=10017
I think it sounds not bad. The bass definetly adds meat to the guitars, although they still dont have much upfront presentness to them.
Let us know what yous think of the guitars in the mix please.
Cheers,
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
BUmp
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inmyheartx
New member
The mix doesn't help much, to me.
I, personally, could never capture a good guitar tone using a Firepod. When I owned it, my guitar tone always came out really thin and grainy. It had no warmth or fullness to it.
I, personally, could never capture a good guitar tone using a Firepod. When I owned it, my guitar tone always came out really thin and grainy. It had no warmth or fullness to it.
Sonixx
New member
to me, three things stick out with yours
Source Tone
Mic Selection
Mic Positioning
PS: Stating the obvious
Source Tone
Mic Selection
Mic Positioning
PS: Stating the obvious
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ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
I agree with you on the source tone, and maybe mic selection aswell, although the Beta52A is a cracking mic, even if it is meant for bass instruments.
That mic sounds great on toms, compared to the likes of an SM57 or 58 btw.
I tried every possible mic position pretty much. I learned how making the tiniest change in mic position can make a great change in tone.
I was moving the mic by baw hairs at a time! And I could hear every change in each recording.
At least Ive learned something from trying to get a decent hard rock/metal tone from a Marshall.
Thanks,
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Do you think the firepod preamps are that bad that they would contribute to my bad guitar recordings?
What are you using now?
Any chance I could hear some of your recording with your new gear?
Thanks man,
Eck
pandamonk
Well-known member
I doubt it. You can still get a great sound with bad preamps. Only thing, it'll be better with good preamps. With the right source, mic(s), room, and positioning, you could get a great sound with behringer preamps. Firepod pres are much better than behri!
Sonixx
New member
I agree with you on the source tone, and maybe mic selection aswell, although the Beta52A is a cracking mic, even if it is meant for bass instruments.
That mic sounds great on toms, compared to the likes of an SM57 or 58 btw.
I tried every possible mic position pretty much. I learned how making the tiniest change in mic position can make a great change in tone.
I was moving the mic by baw hairs at a time! And I could hear every change in each recording.
At least Ive learned something from trying to get a decent hard rock/metal tone from a Marshall.
Thanks,
Eck
I'm not sure what you're looking to get from this.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
Yeah, I think Firepod pre-amps are good enough to get better results that Ive been getting for guitars.
I mean I've used a Yamaha 02R96 desk with SM57/58, AKGC414 etc. And had worse results with my guitar tones!
Cheers,
Eck
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that my amp sucks ass!
That is what I am getting from this.
I was looking for pointers on what I might be doing wrong, but the more I think about it the more I think that my Marshall is not very good.
Yeah Marshall are well known for being good rock amps but maybe mine is just feked!
I was also hoping that maybe someone would say my guitars don't sound totally like crap when in the mix that I posted, but no positives so far. lol
Eck
Sonixx
New member
I probably agree the source tone could be an issue.
Speaker?
Are you dialing the amp and adjusting the mic position while reamping and monitoring with your studio playback setup?
maybe this amp's just not the best for a complex saturated tone to be out front.
pandamonk
Well-known member
Yeah, the firepod has good budget pres.
ecktronic
Mixing and Mastering.
I don't reamp. I am recording then playing back and listening, and adjusting mic many many many times, then playing back each take skipping from one to the other to listen to the differences. Also trying many many different tone settings.
MIght give your suggestion a go though, never really liked the idea of remping but I suppose it could help to get closer to a decent sound.
Cheers,
Eck
Sonixx
New member
not sure why you'd be adverse to reamping... regardless, you don't have to use reamping as the final take, but as a means of finding the tone. reamping makes it much more convenient.
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icystorm
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How do you like the Marshall?
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inmyheartx
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I agree that the Firepod's preamps are definitely not bad, but I just never really thought they added anything to the guitar. I just bought a Digi 002, threw a 57 on my amp, added very little EQ (cut some lows out, dipped a little around 450 Hz) and the tone I got was this:
I played both guitars / bass, and my friend played drums. Ya ya, bass is a little out of tune, and I suck at bass, haha. =] Both left and right are done with:
Peavey 5150
Avatar Cab w/ Vintage 30's
Gibson SG
SM57 a little left of the center of the cone (half inch on left, 2 1/2 on right).
Changed tone / gain between the left and right guitars when I recorded them.
I think they sound pretty good, but maybe everyone here will rip my recording a new asshole and say they suck, but to me I like it. And I could never accomplish that with the Firepod preamps. Same setup and everything.. Hope that helps at all.
Peace!
PS. I recorded, mixed, and mastered 3 songs (including the one I posted) in 3 hours, so it isn't the best I could've done, but it came out awesome to me. =]
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inmyheartx
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I've also gotten pretty good tones with a JCM2000 DSL 100 before.
http://myspace.com/nightrunsred
Listen to the first song, Innocence Long Lost. The left guitar is a JCM2000, and it was recorded with my old MBox.
Then, listen to the other 3 songs, I recorded those also, with a Firepod. The guitar tone on those one's are horrible. Same amps, same mic positioning, etc. The drum mix on the first song is far better also, haha. =]
Like I said, hope this helps. =]
Peace!
http://myspace.com/nightrunsred
Listen to the first song, Innocence Long Lost. The left guitar is a JCM2000, and it was recorded with my old MBox.
Then, listen to the other 3 songs, I recorded those also, with a Firepod. The guitar tone on those one's are horrible. Same amps, same mic positioning, etc. The drum mix on the first song is far better also, haha. =]
Like I said, hope this helps. =]
Peace!