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tj. if you see something computer generated in a movie,

actually most of that is done on n.t. systems.. with dual processors, mac only recently had dual processors and the os only recently supported it.. now maybe film editing, but not the real number crunching shit.

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for price point, p.c. cant be beat, any price point you pick with a g4 you can beat with a custom p.c. as far as power and features.. i could possibly agree that the o.s. on a mac is better for multimedia..

i posted once and it never came up, so if it does i didnt mean to double post..
 
THAT'S RIGHT!

Yes that is true. You can get an awsome deal on a pc at WALMART. Then you can cruise over to the hardware department and grab yourself a rachet set courtesy of Taiwan, Korea, You name it. I buy mine from sears though. But then I've got the pain in the ass of always having to go find a sears :rolleyes: to replace it, Same thing if you own a Cadillac. You need to take it to a dealer to get it fixed. Unless you want "Joe SlipperyWrench" greasin' around under the hood. Same thing if you have a Macintosh computer, or a Lexus. Man life is friggin' hard! Ham on rye, I agree with you on the Numbers crunchin' stuff and NT. I watched the making of the first jurassic park. Although the graphic arts, and music department were knee deep in power macs. They weren't using a Mac to create the dinosaurs. Must not have been any software created yet. So they had to go the Dos number crunchin' route. But I'll bet the new jurassic park has alot of Mac generated "Shtuff".

For what it's worth:
Apple introduced the dual processor in the PowerMac 9500 MP. That was 1996. Bot they found the G3 didn't work well in a multiprocessor unit, so they put it on hold. The new G4 Dual processor works great with OS X(10). However I don't think OS X is suited for music apps as of yet. Soon enough though.

OVER & OUT,
T.J.Hooker
:cool:
 
o.k i have decided on the computer i am going to get.
it is a mac g4 733mhz with 384 mb of ram
40gb+60gb ultra ata drive (although i dont know what this means)
dvd-r/cd-r superdrive
ultra scsi pci card and cable adapter
airport card (dont know what this is either)
tottal price as quoted $3997.00

now as you can only expect from me. i got some more questions.

1: is the hard drive listed above 1 hardrive or 2
2: what the hell is a airport card and what does it do
3: can you buy a monitor for a mac for less then $500 bucks
cause that is the cheapest one i have seen so far on the net

O.K now on to the Digital audio interface. i think i will go with a MOTU interface but i need help deciding witch one. If i get the MOTU24i will i need a Mixer or do i use some type of mixer software on the mac? I prefer using a actual mixer because thats what i am used to. i wouldent be comfortable using a "On screen mixer" but i wouldent want to buy a peice of equipment i did not need. The ad for the MOTU24i says you can hook everything up to it but the sweetwater cattalog suggests buying the mackie hui controller so im a bit confused. any help would be appriciated
 
this is fun eh? hehe

no most computer animations are still done on p.c.'s mang. and n.t. has nada to do with dos.. whole different ball of wax than 98.. anyhoo.. though maya 3d is now coming out with a beta for os 10..

btw if i was doing a real pro tools rig i would use mac.. but not for the consumer end pro tools.
 
1: is the hard drive listed above 1 hardrive or 2
---Say what?

2: what the hell is a airport card and what does it do
---I think it for using your computer on airplanes.

3: can you buy a monitor for a mac for less then $500 bucks
cause that is the cheapest one i have seen so far on the net
---Don't know.
 
I'm Down with that!

Ham on rye, That sounds cool and logical. But Dude, There are and have been for a while Some cool 3D programs for mac: Bryce,Amorphium,Clayscape, To name a few. And your right this is fun but, Back to SEU
That looks like it could be a choice between two hard drives. A 40 Gigabyte, And a 60 Gigabyte, I don't think you will need both if it is two drives. If it's a choice, go with the 60 Gig. The ultra ATA means, Ultra ATA is the kind of plug on the harddrive. Like RCA, or XLR, TRS, SPDIF on mixers and such. The internal harddrive in the computer will be ATA. UltraSCSI is another type of plug. UltraSCSI allows more data to flow at one time than does the ATA. Making it a faster plug. Then the PCI SCSI card (Which your Audio drive will be hooked to) accelerates the data transfer. Making it even Faster. This is needed for digital audio. An Adaptec 2940UW is the SCSI card I use. Never had a problem with it. Also, digital audio takes up alot of room on your harddrive. A 4-5 minute drumtrack could hog up 25-30 Megabytes(Mb) of space on your harddrive. Check this out maybe you already know this.

1000 K (kilobytes) = 1 Mb (Megabyte)
1000 Mb (Megabytes) = 1 Gb (gigabyte)

So you need an external Ultra SCSI Harddrive to connect to your PCI SCSI Accelerator. This drive will be the drive you record onto. The ATA 60 Gb drive in the computer will hold all your apps and system stuff. Harddrives spin at a certain RPM depending on which one you need or choose. There are 5400Rpm, 7200Rpm, 10,000Rpm, and now 15,000Rpm. you need atleast 7200Rpm's for audio. I recommend (as will anyone else who knows) the fastest you can get.


The Airport card is not needed for recording in any way shape or form. On Macs an airport is for wireless internet access. If you have an "Airport"
you plug your phoneline into it, and the computer(I think The Airport Card) receives the signal from the "Airport". Up to a certain distance, I don't know what the distance is. A luxury If you can't have your computer near a phoneline. Although, one airport can service like 10 Macs.

You can get a new nonapple monitor for like
$250.00.

By the way, The 733 Mhz G4 is a "Lightening fast monster", very good choice.

The Motu 2408 audio interface can record 8 simultanious tracks providing you have an 8 buss mixer. I Think that covers everything.
Oh! One last thing. Can I move in with you !?;)



T.J.Hooker :cool:
 
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have fun spending more money than you "need" to. i think the other gear in a recording situation is much more important.. the mic's the pre's and such. since t.j. throws the word need around so freely.. your only as strong as your weakest link. and more money should be devoted to all the sources outside the computer.. good luck out there.
 
What the hell does that mean

Ham On Rye said:
your only as strong as your weakest link.
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Is that like stupid is, as stupid does? Or Says in this case. Being at the mercy of your computer, as it is holding everything you busted your ass to record. Why the hell would you want to skimp on it. Some people "NEED" to think before they post. :p
 
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T.J.Hooker said:

Is that like stupid is, as stupid does? Or Says in this case. Being at the mercy of your computer, as it is holding everything you busted your ass to record. Why the hell would you want to skimp on it. Some people "NEED" to think before they post. :p
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yes your right, stupid is, as stupid does............ you tell someone to blow 4 grand of their budget on the computer itself and almost nothing on the things that affect tonal quality.. a p.c. will work fine, does for me and many others... im thinking you need to think before you post.

hello engineers now and in the future. what is more important, talent and the ability to mix or what brand name you use?

mac's o.s. is full of bugs like windows, get over it.. o.s. 10 is condemned by graphic users and audio users alike..

you are living a legacy thought.. the only reason mac became the audio choice is the fact they had it goin on years ago and that carried on, but now, sorry p.c. will win.. the motorola chip is tapped out, people on mac forums know this. i guess you really dont read those though... i've seen them screaming for a x86 processor. wow imagine if a athlon would run o.s. 9.. oh well.

get out of the past.
scsi is not neccessary unless you need hot swap... mac is not neccesary unless you want the mix core......

remember this, no super computer has been built from a mac architecture..

mac recently adopted a p.c. only arch.. unix. i guess the devolopers werent smart enough to make it work.. maybe they will have some patches...

b.t.w. if want to get anal about it, just quote me where you would like proof.. good luck out there.. buh bye.
 
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Ham On Rye said:

you are living a legacy thought.. the only reason mac became the audio choice is the fact they had it goin on years ago and that carried on, but now, sorry p.c. will win.. the motorola chip is tapped out, people on mac forums know this. i guess you really dont read those though... i've seen them screaming for a x86 processor. wow imagine if a athlon would run o.s. 9.. oh well.
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Don't forget that the motorola has a higher floatingpoint performance, so a 700 mhz motorola is faster than a 700 mhz x86. And floating point operation is used for plugins. Most people (with knowledge) actually agree on that the technical design of the G4 is better than x86. Still the price/performance ratio is higher for the x86.

get out of the past.
scsi is not neccessary unless you need hot swap... mac is not neccesary unless you want the mix core......

remember this, no super computer has been built from a mac architecture..
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Well it depends. If I remember right the definition for a supercomputer used to be a computer capable of 1 gflops. The fastest mac is capable of this. But on the other hand by todays standards it´s no supercomputer.

mac recently adopted a p.c. only arch.. unix. i guess the devolopers werent smart enough to make it work.. maybe they will have some patches...
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Totally wrong! Unix is much older than the pc, and Dos was an adoption UNIX. UNIX clones like Linux been availible for mac for years.

Try to look at the facts before you start complaining at the mac. It's not a bad computer (although it's exansive and I must admitt I hate the GUI), so if you got the money and you're used to/likes the GUI you should really choose a mac. But on the other hand if you want the most performance for your money buy a PC.
 
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Apa said:

Don't forget that the motorola has a higher floatingpoint performance, so a 700 mhz motorola is faster than a 700 mhz x86. And floating point operation is used for plugins. Most people (with knowledge) actually agree on that the technical design of the G4 is better than x86. Still the price/performance ratio is higher for the x86
that is correct, in some ways but the mac o.s. is definitely superior in some realms and negates the arguement of speed..
beos on a 1.7 p3 would kill a mac.. so its not hardware related if they excel..

the athlon is risc and cisc(sp) arrgh....

Well it depends. If I remember right the definition for a supercomputer used to be a computer capable of 1 gflops. The fastest mac is capable of this. But on the other hand by todays standards it´s no supercomputer.

well the recent articles ive read on true supercomputers have all been "i.b.m." compatible.. the ones that run our country, the one that beat gaspirov, the ones that crunch numbers for medicine, science and so forth..


Totally wrong! Unix is much older than the pc, and Dos was an adoption UNIX. UNIX clones like Linux been availible for mac for years

ya what do they usually run it on? a dual processor PERSONAL COMPUTER.

please ask for proof on my claims.. and which ones you want the proof.. it might take time out of my busy drinking schedule but i'll get you links.

Try to look at the facts before you start complaining at the mac. It's not a bad computer (although it's exansive and I must admitt I hate the GUI), so if you got the money and you're used to/likes the GUI you should really choose a mac. But on the other hand if you want the most performance for your money buy a PC.
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No holy wars!


that is correct, in some ways but the mac o.s. is definitely superior in some realms and negates the arguement of speed..
beos on a 1.7 p3 would kill a mac.. so its not hardware related if they excel..

the athlon is risc and cisc(sp) arrgh....
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Yeah, I agree on that. My point was you can't compare the speed in mhz between x86 and motorola. Unfortunately there's (almost) no software for BeOS. It's a real cool OS otherwise. And it's availible for mac to. It would probably be pretty easy to port software from Beos running on pc to Beos on a mac. So if everyone was running BeOs everyone would be happy ;)


well the recent articles ive read on true supercomputers have all been "i.b.m." compatible.. the ones that run our country, the one that beat gaspirov, the ones that crunch numbers for medicine, science and so forth..
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You're from Sweden to? :D IBM makes supercomputers that aren´t based on the x86 architechture (therefor not IBM PC compatible). Maybe you got confused over that? I would like to see links to articles about supercomputers using the x86-arch.

Totally wrong! Unix is much older than the pc, and Dos was an adoption UNIX. UNIX clones like Linux been availible for mac for years

ya what do they usually run it on? a dual processor PERSONAL COMPUTER.
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It's a problem of definitions. Mac is a Personal Computer to. But what we usually mean with PC i IBM-compatible PC (running a processor of the x86 architechture). There are many computers running UNIX that are not IBM PC-compatible.

I'm just saying you got some of the facts wrong not everything. I personally would recommend a PC to everyone except if they're used to working with macs and money is no problem. Let people use whatever system they want, and don't start any holy wars. Mac has it's points, but you (and me to) prefer the PC.
 
I'm going to say this one more time:

You don't need SCSI in a DAW.

Dammit!

/Ola
 
One more thing

Apa said:
I personally would recommend a PC to everyone except if they're used to working with macs and money is no problem. Let people use whatever system they want, and don't start any holy wars. Mac has it's points, but you (and me to) prefer the PC.
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Is this so hard to understand? Learn the above paragraph by heart and recite it whenever you feel the need to make a decision based on prejudice.
 
Re: One more thing

Yeah, and that goes for all equipment. And paragraph 2 would be:
Don't take it as an insult if someone don't like the equipment you like.
Different people got different needs and preferences, so there's really no need to get upset just because you don't agree.
 
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Ham On Rye said:


yes your right, stupid is, as stupid does............ you tell someone to blow 4 grand of their budget on the computer itself and almost nothing on the things that affect tonal quality.
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I didn't tell anybody to do anything. I made a suggestion. Then SEU made the smart choice of breaking out and asking people, other than the onesided nonprofessionals here, and called around to different "PRO" studio's. Then made his decision based on what they told him. I was under the impression that SEU is an experienced recording engineer with all the mics and other gear he needs, starting a DAW. Looks like you better do whatever "Ham on Rye" says SEU. We don't wanna make anyone cry.:(

P.S. Ihave nothing against PC'S, But windows Sucks!
 
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SEU
Where in Denver did you call? There is a place, Wind Over the Earth, in Boulder that has pro gear. Ther web site is www.windovertheearth.com they are really cool guys. Call them and pick there brains as well, they know there stuff and it's very unbaised and unlike guitar satans pushy sales guys!
 
indulge me and let me shout

3997? $4000 FOR A COMPUTER?

BUYING A MAC IS GOING TO LIMIT YOUR SPENDING ABILITY ON THE IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE MICS AND PREAMPS.

I am not bragging, but my computer cost $425 off the shelf at best buy +$200 to add burner and memory

I saw a more powerful pc the other day for $225 after rebate. it was like a 700 or something.

I really don't know how to say this, but for less than $1000. you will have all the pc you need to do whatever you need.

You don't need scsi. Instead get an mpx-1 reverb box.
you absolutely don't need a 19-21 inch monitor. Even though it looks good, you can settle for a used 14 and use the savings to get a new condenser mic or sound treatment.

You don't need any extras like dvd or expensive video cards. They are not useful and can actually create conflicts.

Man, for $2000, you'll get two computers. One for recording, one for gaming and internet and gigasampler. AND THATS TWO PCS FOR HALF THE PRICE OF ONE MAC.

I'm actually going the hard way. You can get a nice pc for $650 with burner and memory minus frills like big screen or camera or whatever.

That leaves you $4450 to do whatever with. Heck , buy a u87 and a neve pre.

Ok. I beg. dont waste your money on a mac. Don't say i did not warn you
 
Uh! Ehm! NO!

CyuanJaguar

I beg to differ. There is no way you want a 14 inch monitor . . . I bought a 19 inch monitor and wish I had an even larger one... As far as savings, you get what you pay for. . .

There is no way on earth that your $200 pc could perform anywhere in the vicinity of a $1500 mac or PC for that matter. Period. Sure you shouldn't buy all the frills, but that's different, and nobody's suggesting that anyone go buy a bunch of unnecessary software and hardware.

My advice to SEUrecords is to figure out what software you want to run and then buy the platform that will run it. I chose to go with a hardware/software combination from the same company to avoid any conflicts or problems. That's why I went with MOTU. I could have gone the DIGI way, but MOTU is better for my needs.

Believe me, I wanted to go with a PC, because I had always used one and never ever used a mac. I am glad I didn't do it. . . Period. If nothing else, I can use Digital Performer, which is a mac only application.

Albert
 
not even

I would take two used 14 inchers over one new 19 incher. more space for less money.

Anyhow. for $200 you cant compete with a 1500 dollar mac, but add maybe 512 megs of memory then you can compete. The $200 mac was a 733 I think.

My PC does not give problems. Its optimised and provided by the same company.

No disrepect to you alinMv,
but

MAC IS A WASTE OF MONEY
 
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