Console Tables

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Cool!!

Thanks frederic and G'day to ya. I've got a few ideas for you. I'll punch them into your drawing, but do you think you could elaborate on your design. Like, are these frames only at the ends of the console? if so, what are you using to support the OAK board? I assume the 1" square tubing, welded to the frames? Thats why I like sections. If I had a section, and the 4000 dim's I could probably give ya a couple of other ideas. No biggie though if you have it all worked out. I would however, if it were me, weld a bracket for using the 1" sqare tubing or an extrusion, to raise the TMD's, as it will raise all of them on one side equally. That way you only have to adjust the "support", instead of 1 or 2 carriage bolts PER mixer. Its a thought anyway.

BTW, heres the actual drawing of the TDM. I just copyied and rotated as needed.

fitZ
 

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Rick - just replied to your email, and I put the dimensions in that, rather than here, sorry about that :)

I have a little sketching to do, I'll post that here in about 20 minutes.... seems the blackpipe from the left bank of TMD1K's should extend under the extrusion of the TMD4000 as well, so its all one piece.

Stronger that way :)
 
Re: Cool!!

I'll punch them into your drawing, but do you think you could elaborate on your design. Like, are these frames only at the ends of the console? if so, what are you using to support the OAK board? I assume the 1" square tubing, welded to the frames?

Its a work in progress, but the oak desk surface (or counter top surface, or whatever, I was thinking of matching the producer's desk, all of a sudden) would be supported by 1" square tubing that extends from the black pipe.

If you take a quick look at the very first yellow picture I posted... maybe its hard to see, but underneath the oak board and the black pipe there is a 1" square tube that runs from the front of the console to the back fo the console, with a notch in it that the black pipe will sink into slightly. I'd be doing this with a bi-metal hole saw in my drill press, so that I can actually have some surface of the black pipe to weld to. If I just lay the black pipe across these 1" square supports I'd have minimal surface area to weld to. So sinking it into the support a bit gives me several inches of welding surface, for a much stronger, more reliable weld.

Thats why I like sections. If I had a section, and the 4000 dim's I could probably give ya a couple of other ideas. No biggie though if you have it all worked out. I would however, if it were me, weld a bracket for using the 1" sqare tubing or an extrusion, to raise the TMD's, as it will raise all of them on one side equally. That way you only have to adjust the "support", instead of 1 or 2 carriage bolts PER mixer. Its a thought anyway.

My originaly 2x4 table did that... but I dumped it because the 2x4 warped over time and my mixers ended up at slightly different heights and angles which was visually irritating, so I lowered the 2x4 and did the carriage bolt/t-nut thing. Then I could adjust as it as the wood warped further. Pine warps a lot apparently :) Anyway, since this table will be made out of steel, I seriously doubt humidity and temperature changes will cause the steel to warp like pine 2x4s :) Anyway, not arguing, just explaining where the carriage bolt thing came from in the first place. I discovered it AFTER I built the whole table out of wood.

Its the only way, right? heh-heh
 
Layout of the console cable, no dimensions yet but at least its to scale.

I rotated it sideways so it fits in the browser, kinda sorta. Getting pictures under the 64K limit is getting tough :) Lets see how terrible this looks.
 

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Hi frederic, thats cool, I can see what your doin. Now, the Akai is the remote, is that right? Does this have the built in HD recorder?(haven't read all the stuff on the link yet) And you have a couple of others too, right. They must be rack mounts huh? But the remote controls all of them, right? Man, I gotta check into these. They are exactly what I want. I just didnt' realize what they were untill you gave me the link. But I'll have to wait and work for a while. How do these compare with the straight PC recording route?
Hmmm, I think you already told us. Nevermind. Ha, the memory is going fast.:D Like a set of SRAM's. Hehehehe. My trusty ole 133(second computer) has them. I tried to upgrade to 512meg of ram, but shit, old memory is more expensive than the new stuff.
Didn't make much sense. At least at the time. In fact, that old computer was hi end when I bought it in 96, and now its junk. $4000 worth of junk:mad: And that was without any monitor, keybords or anything. I ordered it custom made in a rackmount case from SAG in New Yawk. Ha! Wished I'd waited 6 months. Paid on that thing forever.
Then I bought the whole Lexicon Core 32 system, even with the PCM 90 reverb daughtercard, and they don't even support the damn system anymore. AARRRRRRGGGRR!! These electronic companys are really fucking bastards. Especially Lexicon. I sent them an email tellin em off, and got a nasty email back. I told them the CEO could shove it where the sun don't shine. Excuse me frederic, but when so many people spend their hard earned money on these manufacturers bullshit, and then they drop it, they piss me off. Well, talk about drivvel. There I go again, bla bla bla. Later.

fitZ;)
 
Hi frederic, thats cool, I can see what your doin. Now, the Akai is the remote, is that right? Does this have the built in HD recorder?(haven't read all the stuff on the link yet) And you

The Akai Dl1500, which goes on teh console table, is the remote control for all of the akai recorders I have. it can manage the two DR8's 8-ch hard disk recorders, the four DR16's 16-ch recorders, the DD1000 digital dubber 4-track, and provides SMPTE timing to and from the emagic midi interfaces daisychained off the PC, and RS422 position information as well as stop, play, ff, rw, etc to any RS422 devices of which I have none at this very moment in time.

The DD1000 uses 5.25" magneto-optical media to record 4 tracks, I have used this more or less as a mixdown device, then dump off that to cassette since it has nice burr brown D/A converters. It collected dust recently because I generally mix down to stereo, through s/pdif tto the PC for burning to a CD.

The DR16's and DR8's are the recorders, and I have an external hot-swap rackmount cabinet I put together that gives one drive per recorder, and I have a pallet of 2gig SCA drives in the garage which are going to be the per-project medium I record on.

have a couple of others too, right. They must be rack mounts huh? But the remote controls all of them, right? Man, I gotta check into these. They are exactly what I want. I just

The DL1500 is rack mount, though mounting it in a true rack is awkward - you'd want it more horizontal so you can see the face of the doghouse with the display information.

All of the recorders are rackmount, and will be in the producer's racks in front of the vocal booth. Whats neat, is this configuration only requires me to run lightpipe cables for audio in and out, and one 75 ohm ethernet (thinnet) cable from the remote to the rack of recorders, and everything works together. Thats less TRS snakes to solder right there.

have to wait and work for a while. How do these compare with the straight PC recording route?

All this stuff is discontinued for a while now, so buying used/ebay is your only real option. I like external recorders, I happen to really like the akai layout and operation, but thats just me. Been using them for years so I'm comfortable with them, dispite their flaws, usually relating to sync and timing, a problem which goes away when the DL1500 is thrown into the wiring scheme. I've been looking for a DL1500 for about three years now, and snagged one a few months ago on ebay. Next, is an Akai RC15 remote, which offers play, stop, FF, RW, Record, and Pause and has a really long cable, and attaches to the DL1500, so those buttons can be located just about anywhere. Allows me to sit back from the console, put the remote (RC15) on my lap, and stop, rewind, record, etc with a guitar on my lap. This should result in less banging the guitar/bass headstock on the console.

Of course, finding a used RC15 is like finding a lefthanded smoke shifter.

I don't like recording multitrack recordings on the PC, because I consider windows to be unreliable and irritating. When I got the first Motu2408 MKI I did get some nice tracks down on the PC, but then winME blew up and I lost everything. So, the Motu (and three additional ebay purchases) became demoted to format converters (TDIF to lightpipe) and that is that. I like external gear, I like touching buttons, knobs and things, and I hate windows and software.

damn system anymore. AARRRRRRGGGRR!! These electronic companys are really fucking bastards. Especially Lexicon. I sent them an email tellin em off, and got a nasty email back. I told them the CEO could shove it where the sun don't

They all do that. This is why I hate the music equipment manufacturing industry as a default rule. Once in a while a good vendor comes into play, like JC Cooper. I called them a year ago about a 10 year old cuepoint I suddenly couldn't get to arm tracks anymore, and they spent a good 20 minutes on the phone explaining to this dense monkey how to set it to handle 32 tracks. So, kudo's to them for taking the time and being really nice about it, even though it was obvious to me after the call i was just being dense.

Excuse me frederic, but when so many people spend their hard earned money on these manufacturers bullshit, and then they drop it, they piss me off. Well, talk about drivvel. There I go again, bla bla bla. Later.

Like (cough) Tascam (cough).

lol

fitZ;) [/B][/QUOTE]
 
Like (cough) Tascam (cough).

Hahahahahaha! I agree. Even though I have tascam analog stuff. From what I read about the DM-24, well, I don't think I have to tell you....hahahaha! Oh sorry bout the 4000 in that respect. Thanks for the info. It'll be quite a while before I dabble with digital anyway. I have some, and the PC recording stuff, but like you said. I LOVE KNOBS. ONE KNOB> ONE FUNCTION. Well, have a great weekend frederic. Don't start a fire welding in the studio:D Just kiddin! And btw, as far as I'm concerned:


they spent a good 20 minutes on the phone explaining to this dense monkey how to set it to handle 32 tracks

Nothing could be farther from the truth frederic. I hold that title around these parts, so DON"T FORGET IT. :p I earned the seniority for that title ! ha!

fitZ:)
 
Hahahahahaha! I agree. Even though I have tascam analog stuff.

Well, I have a lot of tascam stuff, and have for decades. And I'm certainly not having a "tascam sucks" ebay sale, I've just stopped brand loyalty and will consider other brands, models, etc in the future.

From what I read about the DM-24, well, I don't think I have to tell you....hahahaha! Oh sorry bout the 4000 in that respect.

The DM24 is a good mixer if they'd finish the code already. The 4000 is a good mixer too, but again, they didn't finish the code with everything that was promised.

Releasing shit before its done is like selling new cars with "we'll mail you the transmission when it becomes available". WTF.

Thanks for the info. It'll be quite a while before I dabble with digital anyway. I have some, and the PC recording stuff, but like you said. I LOVE KNOBS. ONE KNOB> ONE FUNCTION. Well, have a great weekend frederic. Don't start a fire welding in the studio:D Just kiddin!

No fires in the studio. I'll be building the sections outside, then bringing them upstairs in flat pieces, then zapping them together with the MIG. This way, very little welding will occur in the house. Aside from the fire hazzard, the fumes are incredibly putrid and I'm sure not good for anyone.

Maybe I can weld it together outside, and have bolt holes and brackets to assemble it mechanically in the house instead. I'll have to think about that one.

around these parts, so DON"T FORGET IT. :p I earned the seniority for that title ! ha!

LOL, well then, there ya have it :)
 
Damn that's a lot of mixers and recorders. Do you have a good wordclock generator to sync everything?
 
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Damn that's a lot of mixers and recorders. Do you have a good wordclock generator to sync everything?

Yep. Everything taps off an aardsync II for wordclock. If one doesn't do this, the mixers down the daisychain "fall off" very easily.

While the aardsync is a decent unit, I should have gotten the Lucid.
 
Damn! Rick, you didn't draw all those mixer's in cad did you?
Please tell me you D/L-ed them somewhere.
 
Hello Michael, yes, that is MY work. No downloads of anykind. Not one line. That is what I do Michael, detail, detail, detail:D THATS why I love autocad, can't do this with any other program that I'm aware of.

Cheers

fitZ
 
Hello Michael, yes, that is MY work. No downloads of anykind. Not one line. That is what I do Michael, detail, detail, detail:D THATS why I love autocad, can't do this with any other program that I'm aware of. Even if I did, SOMEONE would have to draw it in Autocad, or I couldn't display them as shown. What would THEY use? All the manufactures use Autocad for downloadable files that you can manipulate in CAD. Hope you liked them.

Cheers

fitZ:)

PS. Michael, I just found an acoustical material made by RPG for use in things like CONSOLES. I'll post the link as soon as I find it. Might be the very thing for some of the surfaces in your console. VERY COOL. Mr. Swist used it in his Pro tools consoles. Fabulous design. And btw Michaels, I'm still working on the stuff you asked me to send. Hang in there, its a comin!!:D
 
That's great!
I do a lot of detailing in autocad too.. boring stuff like lift-stations, and valves, and roadway sections, and culvert treatments... nothing cool like mixers!
 
Cool panels :)

My problem is I can close my eyes, and easily visualize every piece of my console table. my problem is, I can't draw it LOL.

Same for race cars, but somehow they end up looking like what I picture i my mind.

This is why I often draw parallels on DIY Studio stuff to car chassis... I'm hoping what I visualize magically appears somehow ;)

heh-heh.

I'm not done my sketches yet Rick... coming soon.

BTW, how did your console assembly and picture taking go? Or like me did someone steal all your round tuits? LOL
 
Sweet concepts Frederic! BTW... how are you running them TMD's within your setup?
 
Hello frederic, hey those cars you build say it all. If you visualize it, and then build it, you got it. Don't need detailed drawings as long as you can see it in your minds eye. Man, that setup with your mixers is a total mindblower too. I know who to call on when I upgrade, thats for SURE frederic.:D

Today I had to mud a fireplace reface. But I finally managed to get a little design work done, so I could actually plan what cables I was going to run up the leg brackets.
Had to modify the platforms too. So I didn't get as far as I thought I would. Btw, the round 'tuits have been on my list for so long even they forgot their there!:p But, tomorrows another day. I think I can get it together then. I hope.:rolleyes:

Going back to work after being off a year and a half is kind of a wierd one. I start sometime this coming week. I'll be working in a little tourist town called Bandon. It's about 20 miles from my house. The road I take to get there is pretty spooky even in the day when its raining. Dark as hell. Nothing but nothing out there the whole way but thick forests and foggy bogs. In fact, theres 1000 sqare miles out there with nothing but forests Gives me the willies. So, I gotta do some car maintenence this week too. NO way do I want to break down out there. Gets dark early, and man, there ain't NO traffic after it gets dark. Walking home out there is NOT an option. hahahahaha! Reason is, there was a Bigfoot sighting out that way just last week. Its kind of a big deal around here, especially with the Native Americans. Lots of stories. Some going back to the 1800's. I'm not usually spooked by that stuff, but from what I've heard, they take it serious. The first town up 101 is named after a local Indian tribe called the Coquille. I listened to an old Coquille woman who was talking on a local radio talk show the other day. Whoooa! She told some pretty wierd stuff about it up to this day and age. Hence the maintenence :p

Hey Michael, I only WISH I could do "boring" stuff like that. Ha! I admire engineering.
The stuff I do is nothing compared to your vocation Michael. I just draw. Are you a civil engineer? Shoot, that stuff boggles my brain. Well, to each his own calling I guess. And thanks for the compliment. Made my day:D
 
Hello frederic, hey those cars you build say it all. If you visualize it, and then build it, you got it. Don't need detailed drawings as long as you can see it in your minds eye. Man, that setup with your mixers is a total mindblower too. I know who to call on when I upgrade, thats for SURE frederic.:D

Thank you :) And sure, don't hesitate to ever contact me.

thought I would. Btw, the round 'tuits have been on my list for so long even they forgot their there!:p But, tomorrows another day. I think I can get it together then. I hope.:rolleyes:

round tuits? I ran out of those about 4 years ago :)

the willies. So, I gotta do some car maintenence this week too. NO way do I want to break down out there. Gets dark early, and man, there ain't NO traffic after it gets dark. Walking

I hear ya, I discovered the other day I need valve cover gaskets. Actually, I knew for a while, they were weeping gently... and now that we have a foot of snow and its freezing out, now I have a "spray" pattern on the firewall :)

Hence the maintenence :p

totally understood ! Been there, walked home!
 
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