Conducting some research on the sometimes childish attacks here--any thoughts?

[Big Kenny]

You're soaking in it!

 

[jeffree]

SM2K,

Thanks for your feedback, but I can only refer you to my eariler posts in this thread that respond to your comments. Did you skip over them? (I think you're reading something into the word "study" that I don't intend.)

And secondly, with all due respect, I find the tone of your post the kind of thing we want to look at. Would you really talk to someone (me) in that same way if we were discussing this issue in person, having just met? I've done you no wrong, and in fact I believe I've been a steady, if occasional, contributor to this site. Yet in your post I see no hint of courtesy, no giving me the benefit of any doubt, no sign that you're even aware that any lack of understanding could be at your own end. Where's the humility, man?

I don't mean to offend, but come on, brother--give me a break, eh? I'm just
accessing this forum for a while as one of many practical exercises that I use as an instructor, and I thought I'd let the folks here know. I'm always trying new things that could be interesting for my students. Such activities can certainly add something to an otherwise dry theoretical discussion, and while a full-blown control-group/candid/more objective study would obviiously be better, we just have no time for it. We'll spend some homework hours on this topic and then move on. Period. We'll get something to work with, I'm sure, although you could be right that the conclusions are obvious. We'll see.

I've noted your critical thoughts, though, and will mention them to my students...

Peace,

J.

 

[Flatpicker]

DJL,
While we’re discussing this, I’ll put in my 2 cents…

I made a long post several months ago during one of your “Studio Projects/Alan Hyatt/spamming” episodes, asking why you come down so hard on those guys and no one else. The fact that you’ve singled out Studio Projects from the countless microphone companies out there is the main reason I and many others here believe you have a personal vendetta with Alan and you’re using/abusing this forum and it’s users to get back at him.

And don’t come back saying it’s because he “spammed” the forum, because many of your attacks are unprovoked. Take for instance your multi page thread about the B1/B3 colored dots/matching system. In that thread you insinuated false claims and accused SP of deceiving their customers by promising “matched” mics that weren’t really matched. About 10 pages later it was proved that Alan was indeed providing an extra service to his customer, unlike any of his competitors, and that you were oblivious to the meaning of microphone specs.

There’s plenty of other examples as well but I’ve got better things to do than to go digging them up.

Then, when someone questions your “vendetta” and gets you in a corner, you claim they’re teaming up with Alan and ganging up on you, when they’re really just trying to level the playing field because you are making unfair accusations and attacks. Following that, you always go away and don’t post for a few days.

Finally, know that even though I hate the way you act sometimes, it DOES NOT mean that I dislike you. When you’re not hammering on SP, you seem to be a likeable person. I just wish you’d behave around here and deal with your personal vengeance issues somewhere else besides on this forum!!

BTW, I’m just standing up for what “I” believe.

 

[omtayslick]

That's great - I can only admire that.

The problem I have with your beliefs is that many of them have no discernable etiology in fact or reality - you impute motives to people when there is no rational basis for it - it's just your imagination going wild. You just make stuff up (usually impugning someone's honesty or ethics), and then won't accept any reasonable explanation for the phenomenon you're questioning, but just keep repeating the same baseless idea post after post.

That's the problem I have with you.

Sounds like the basis for a promising career in politics. DJL, what's your day job? Are you a Democratic presidential candidate?

 

[crazydoc]

Hey jeffree, this might be a good time to give us some feedback on the study, if your class has completed it.

 

[crazydoc]

Jeffree, I see you're hangin' around here. Again - could you post the results of this study for the curious among us?

No need for any additions to the thread - just the results.

 

[DJL]

Jeffree's agenda?

Reminder to DJL, with all due respect... the recent poll here shows that about 89% of those voting have no problem with self-identified retailers expressing their thoughts here.

Why not realize that you're in the minority, just skip the thread, and let the rest of us enjoy it without the sniping, eh? Life's too short.

J.

I have no intentions of posting in that thread again... like I said... I'm butting out and letting PMI-AG do what they do best "Marketing". So please stop trying to drag me back into it. Thanks

 

[jeffree]

Thanks for your interest, Crazydoc. I'll send you a PM this weekend and give you the gist of what my students found during a one-hour review of some selected threads. Their brief findings were pretty much in line with what people predicted, with a couple of added thoughts. Actually, it wasn't a bad one-time exercise--my teenagers seemed to learn something about web-forum communication and appeared to enjoy the quick peek into another world.

To be frank, I'd rather not post more here about the issue
since raising anything inflammatory will probably just re-ignite tensions among certain folks. You can see some evidence of such tensions in this thread itself. In some ways, I regret that I raised the thought publicly--I was just trying to explore an interesting issue for me, but now I'm tired of it.

Best,

J.

 

[DJL]

Post the name of the university and the resluts of the complete study right here in this thread. Thanks.

 

[Altruist]

* And how many readers might not express their displeasure at such lengthy, somewhat off-topic exchanges, but who might be discouraged from using this generally helpful forum because of these childish exchanges? (I admit that I'm in this group.)

To these people I would say. SUCK IT UP there Nancy...I have managed to wade through the BS and have learned a lot. Stop being so inet sensitive and read what is helpful..scroll through the rest.

 

[crazydoc]

Thanks, jeffree, I'll look forward to it. I admit, it has gotten pretty tiring, and I can now ignore many trolls that would have set me off in the past. We're always learning.

 

[HapiCmpur]

Hi, all. I've decided to have some of my university students study recent threads here, especially in the Mic forum, to analyze the reasons and implications for the childish language that erupts here from time to time, particularly when a perception of spam arises.

Interesting. Do you always advise your students to bias their results by informing their research subjects not only that you'll be observing them but exactly WHAT behavior you'll be observing? Why am I suspicious that you don't really have any students?

* Would these people respond actually respond in the same way if seated across a table from each other?

How the heck would you determine this?

* Is there an obvious, persistent, personal agenda that seems to motivate the attackers--something more than getting at the truth and helping others?

Same question. You can't determine from someone's posting if he or she had ulterior motives or a personal agenda.

* How often are apologies offered for obviously rash language? Such apologies for heated words would, of course, be common in many face-to-face business exchanges, but are they actually as rare as they seem here?

Why would you hold the etiquette of an online forum to the same standard as a "business exchange," face-to-face or otherwise?

* And how many readers might not express their displeasure at such lengthy, somewhat off-topic exchanges, but who might be discouraged from using this generally helpful forum because of these childish exchanges?

Your students must be truly AMAZING if they can determine the number of readers who did NOT reply to a given thread. Could they tell that I almost didn't reply to this one?

If anyone has thoughts on such issues, please do feel free to pass them along to us.

Yeah, I have a few thoughts on the subject: First, you're a liar. Second, you like posting rhetorical questions disguised as scientific curiosity. Third, if you really have students engaged in a study this poorly conceived, you deserve to be fired.

P.S. Cries of "This is exactly what I was talking about" will certainly make me laugh (and help to verify my critique), but they would not be taken seriously and would simply waste everyone's time.

Regards,
Hapi

 

[wheelema]

Childish behavior? As opposed to 'adult' behavior? I think your students would be better served by defining terms. You are putting the cart before the horse... I haven't met an 'adult' yet, only very large children suffering from various degrees of exhaustion.

 

[cellardweller]

Yea... well...

Yea, well...

You're all donkey heads who smell like poo-poo, and if I see you after school I'll throw your books in a mud puddle and tell sara that you like her but you're gay but are not sure so you punch your clown with pictures of Michael Hasslehoff AND Pamela Anderson to cover your bases and your mom is a big meaney and your dad is an alcoholic who beats you and your sister picks her nose with a garden shovel, and you jerk off your dog, and................................................................................................................................

 

[chessrock]

I kinda' like the idea of a bunch of hot, young college chicks hanging out at our forum.

I may just have to wank off to the thought of that. Real soon.

 

[A Reel Person]

I repeat: Nanny-nanny Boo-boo!!!

Look, some people just love to argue, and this provides them a forum to do so. If it wasn't over mics, it would be over something else. Ever take a sneak peak into the cave? Childish and semi rational argumentative behavior is the norm in the cave.

 

[jeffree]

I'm sitting here laughing now. Really. I never intended such a mess of a thread, but you have to admit it's kind of fun, even if in some perverted way. I'll close my end of things here by refering any disgruntled folks to my follow-up explanation in this thread--and to add the point that the terms "research" and "analyze" have much broader meanings in the academic world than a few people here have acknowledged. Don't worry--at least no tax dollars were lost via this thread or my students' informal study.

What's really making me laugh, though, is that our dear DJL (I really do like him in a way) was so obviously unhappy with something I pointed out in another thread here yesterday. Within hours, he resurrected this old thread from last summer and began an obvious form of attack on me. Very smart in a way, DJL. Maybe a bit, well... childish?... but smart. At least you made me laugh about it all.

I'm through with this thread, though. It's old news. Those who know me from other threads through the years probably understand the scene here. Like most of us, I visit this forum for occasional guidance, inspiration, and some fun, and I'll continue to do so when the mood hits. But, for much the same expressed reason that this forum has lost too many excellent people in recent years, I'll never allow myself be dragged too far into an exchange that lacks basic consideration of each other as distant
colleagues and fellow human beings, even if strangers in most ways. None of us here has the time nor need for that.

Fortunately, nearly everyone I've dealt with at this forum has been respectful, helpful, and interesting. Thanks.

See you around the forum,

J.

 

[DJL]

Yeah, you're a funny research guy... ha ha.

I'm sitting here laughing now. Really. I never intended such a mess of a thread, but you have to admit it's kind of fun, even if in some perverted way. I'll close my end of things here by refering any disgruntled folks to my follow-up explanation in this thread--and to add the point that the terms "research" and "analyze" have much broader meanings in the academic world than a few people here have acknowledged. Don't worry--at least no tax dollars were lost via this thread or my students' informal study.

What's really making me laugh, though, is that our dear DJL (I really do like him in a way) was so obviously unhappy with something I pointed out in another thread here yesterday. Within hours, he resurrected this old thread from last summer and began an obvious form of attack on me. Very smart in a way, DJL. Maybe a bit, well... childish?... but smart. At least you made me laugh about it all.

I'm through with this thread, though. It's old news. Those who know me from other threads through the years probably understand the scene here. Like most of us, I visit this forum for occasional guidance, inspiration, and some fun, and I'll continue to do so when the mood hits. But, for much the same expressed reason that this forum has lost too many excellent people in recent years, I'll never allow myself be dragged too far into an exchange that lacks basic consideration of each other as distant
colleagues and fellow human beings, even if strangers in most ways. None of us here has the time nor need for that.

Fortunately, nearly everyone I've dealt with at this forum has been respectful, helpful, and interesting. Thanks.

See you around the forum,

J.

If you did your homework you would know that I did'nt dig up this old thread... crazydog dug it up... look at the dates.

 

[noisedude]

Come over here and say that!

 

[Treeline]

Look, some people just love to argue, and this provides them a forum to do so. If it wasn't over mics, it would be over something else. Ever take a sneak peak into the cave? Childish and semi rational argumentative behavior is the norm in the cave.

That's because we all live there! Let's hear it for beloved irrationalism - in the Cave where it belongs.