Comaprisons!!!The three top dogs!!!

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c7sus... Hey man, although it is a TAD buggy, they have already fixed a ton of stuff. Sometimes when you have it doing its thing, you can't help but smile. It grows on me more and more all the time. As for processor, you can get an 800mhz p3 for under $100 now, I'm pretty sure... check pricewatch.com

By too dark and bright, I meant visually... they are both a tad on extreme side. I still like Sonar better though.
 
TubeDude go on ebay they're going for $650 - $800 now, I don't know which model you're refering to, but I was talking about 1029's.

Boris
 
is it not funny,

I have a total of ten channels on my soundcard, and I only used two on my latest mix in the mixing clinic.

If you are not going to be bringing people in the studio, if you are just going to be a sole superstar making tight beats, then you don't need more than two channels. Of course, it can get inconvenient but its workable.

What mic are you going to buy? I'll tell you what mic you'll buy. A marshall v67g :D

I have it on the lead vocal in my post in the clinic. I prefer it to the more expensive v414b for leads. It just so warm
 
I said if I had the money to spend I would spend it on Genelics, but I don't so Alesis Ones will do for now
 
the famous genelecs also happen to have a very famous problem.

They sound GREAT but the midrange translates like CRAP.

In that price range , give me QUESTED
 
I'm using WIN ME, I thought that was win2000, but just relized it isn't...
Can any of you answer my questions below...I'd really like some answers, I think that's all I need to know to decide now.
Yeah, I'm only going to be doing my own beats, mayby produce a friends album aswell, but I'm not charging, if I produce someone's album it will be for the sake of it... and it will always be hiphop/ experimental hiphop.

So when is sonar going to be released, is it out now...?

Here's some the unanswered questies...

I still don't know how many I/O's I need...
here's a list of what I need to plug in:
- Pair of monitors
- preamp to MIC
- keyboard
- a turntable
- a converter (optional)
- that's it...I'm sure I can always unplug something, to replace with something else if I need it, unless it's the monitors or converter. (about keyboards, I can use a keyboard using analog outputs 1/4" into a souncard, or midi into a souncard...Is there any benefit over the other)

About converters...Are they only used for recording, or do they make everything sound better? I'm just not to sure about how much they'll help me if I'm mainly going to be using samples, will the sounds from a keyboard sound better?
I've asked this question before, but havn't got an answer yet.
I know it will help when dithering alot, this is probably the best reason I'd assume... also the AD or DA converter, which would I need, or would I need both...?
 
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BLAH!!!

come on.... I need these answered, I don't know where to go without them. I wanna have a decision by tommorrow or as soon as possible and get started... I'm starting to get depressed, this is taking so long. HELP!

My basic question... Are converters mainly only for recording...?
 
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The converter turns the analog signal into the digital signal that your computer loves and understands. They are primarily for recording of analog and playback of digital, if that makes sense.
Some stand alone versions also have additional features. The Lucid, for instance, has an interface that allows it to interact with your coffee maker and alarm clock, therefore "converting" you from asleep to awake. Most good converters have this feature. The Apogee also has a hot plate on top so you can snack on sausage links while recording. I find this a useful and intuitive feature.
Although its hard to find now, the original 24 bit soundcard/converter, the SonicAudio Alterra Tube Card(circa 1953) included a rigid surface that could also be used as a washboard and/or cheese grater. They stopped producing this version in 1955 for an upgraded smaller rackmount version with dual all tube converters and 48khz sampling rates. This is considered to be one of the all time best sounding cards ever. I saw one on ebay awhile back go for $10,000.
Enjoy.
 
tite!

"The converter turns the analog signal into the digital signal that your computer loves and understands. They are primarily for recording of analog and playback of digital, if that makes sense."

It makes sense somewhat... Analog signal to digital signal would be an AD converter, right... So a DA converter would be just for playback, right? Under what circumstance do you playback digital, is that just anytime you want to hear anything you've recorded...? I'm wondering if I'd need both sides, AD and DA, or if just one side would do what I need...?

Can you explain a little better.
here's my original question again...

About converters...Are they only used for recording, or do they make everything sound better? I'm just not too sure about how much they'll help me if I'm mainly going to be using samples, will the sounds from a keyboard sound better?
It will help when dithering alot, this is probably the best reason I'd assume...?

Thanks!
 
monitors mackie hr824

pre amp an aphex 107 or that 1604 vlz pro mackie desk with the xdr mic pres

K board thats your choice you need to go try them all

Turntable Technics sp10 if you can still find one these days a nice table

and i heard someone a few posts ago now talking about pretty good ad da convertors

read ove the whole post again inm sure it will turn up :-)
 
Thanks trebles...

Not really the answers I was looking for, but thanks.
I was thinking the Event 20/20 bas monitors, I've heard people say the mackies are bit better, but their also abit more expensive.
 
Priz if you are not recording albums for bands or recording artists

I guess you could get away without the Mackies but this is what id say go find a place that sells both the events and the mackies
ask to listen to the events and all others first then ask to listen to the mackies take in a cd that you know well and listen to this but also ask the shop to sugest a cd they can play to you.

I myself listened and once i did i could not see myself buying anything else your ears will tell you straight away what to get sure they cost more but in the end i think it has to do with recording well too if this is what you want to do then it is critical to hear all your sounds in a non coloured kind of way please excuse my lack of jargon here but iam no expert but i do know what my ears tell me.

As for the Turntable the technics sp10 is a legend in its own rite and also somewhat rare now but worth looking for there aint no sl1200 that gets near an sp10 for quality of build or strength to boot but again itsa personal choice.

As for mic pre,s if you want a standalone rackmount unit then i think the aphex 107 is a good piece of equipment that delivers and its priced well so your not gonna need a bank loan to buy it.

as for convertors what were those lucids they sounded the deal i went and had a look at those and thought all checked out fine myself.

as for keyboard are we talking like a 76 key semi weighted deal like as in a paino or is this something else i am not seeing clearly anyway priz this is up to you in the end what you get but all ive mentioned above id own personally without blinking an eyelid all this gear is top notch stuff its all had great reviews and all for very good reason the stuff delivers

ive read this whole post and will tell you this some of the guys assisting you here are a wealth of knowledge and i feel their advice is pretty dam good essp the guy who told you about those lucids i really felt he went out on a limb to assist you remember this also he and others bought this stuff and made their mistakes with their own money buying other gear before they found what worked the best you can do is learn by their mistakes and take on their knowledge as a gift to you and others in here what id do is read this whole post again priz and then evaluate why people have said what they have make yourself a short list of products based upon your budget your needs and what you have been already told weigh it all up then make a decision after that its trail and error and your own talent that will hold you up rather then if one piece of gear is better then another.

Heres one more thing from an older guy who now is dead but told me this when i was 18 he said wayne if the stuff works leave it alone and use it.

a lot of wisdom in those words i never forgot what he said either and how do i know its true well i got a swag of great old guitars that my heros would kill for but you know what its them on the stage doing it not me and they do it with a lot less then i have and yes i know you dont do rock its hip hop but the rules still apply this should show you that spending money wont always give you results alot of that is who you are and what you want to do.

rooms full of nice gear may look great and feel good but without the true skill to make it all happen one has then alot of dusting too do

none of what i say here is meant to offend its more meant to show you use your talent to create what it is thats in your soul and buy what your pocket can afford be realistic too if you burn it all on one piece of eqipment then the rest suffers while you get the cash to buy the rest in the end we all make our own minds up on what it is we want but experience can only show us if we were right or wrong you can have the forsight to listen and be balanced and then act rational based upon experience or have the rush of blood that feels good for now but in hinsight shows you it all could have been easier had we listened.

peace

wayne
Melbourne Australia
 
thanks!

Thanks for the suggestions.
I have read over this post about three times now.
and I really have an idea of which directions I'll go, but...
I'm still wondering the same thing about the questions above... I really need to know this before i can even think of decideing...
I'll requote the last questions...

"The converter turns the analog signal into the digital signal that your computer loves and understands. They are primarily for recording of analog and playback of digital, if that makes sense."

It makes sense somewhat... Analog signal to digital signal would be an AD converter, right... So a DA converter would be just for playback, right? Under what circumstance do you playback digital, is that just anytime you want to hear anything you've recorded...? I'm wondering if I'd need both sides, AD and DA, or if just one side would do what I need...?

Can you explain a little better.
here's my original question again...

About converters...Are they only used for recording, or do they make everything sound better? I'm just not too sure about how much they'll help me if I'm mainly going to be using samples, will the sounds from a keyboard sound better?
It will help when dithering alot, this is probably the best reason I'd assume...?

Thanks!
 
Just in case it hasn't been said yet (no, I'm not reading this whole thread- I gave up about 3 days ago), you don't really have to have a separate converter box if you use a standard soundcard since they're built-in. Almost everything you will ever record will be an analog signal, notable exceptions being keyboards, J-Station, and other stuff with digital outs. ANY analog signal can be heard if properly amplified; no digital signal can be interpreted in any way without converting to analog- it's like a secret mathematical code. Once your signal gets into the computer, it's digital, and if you want it out, and want to be able to hear it, it's got to go back to analog at some point in the chain- d/a converter on the card, dedicated d/a box(i.e. Lucid), or some monitors(Roland) actually accept a digital signal.
 
And to think... you could have saved yourself and all these other people all of this trouble...
 
WASSSSUUUUPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!

You finally got here, I told you this BBS was filled with my BS.
 
I just wanted to stress something someone said earlier. The level of sound quality available in prosumer equipment today didn't even exist 15 years ago. If you picked the top 10 albums of all time I would bet 8 out of those 10 would have been made on equipment that by any reasonable standard is inferior to what is widely available today. The funny thing is people still refer to some of those albums as references on how to engeneer and mix an album. Clearly the talent of those who produced those recordings far outshines any limitations thier equipment created.

Here's another way to put this in perspective. Geting in excess of 100db S/N ratio going into your A/D converter from almost anything your likely to record is extreemly difficult. Grounding loops, interference coming in on the 120V line, and radio interference from nearby stations is likely to bring you down into the 80ish db range. I don't even have a keyboard or sound module than can put out analog with 100db S/N ratio. And forget about a turntable with that S/N ratio. When you get into the level of equipment your talking about the differences start to become fairly minor compared to the talent of the person using it.

It's easy to get caught up in, or even paralized by the overflow of information comparing differences between this setup or that. When I find myself in that situation I usualy just put off any decision until I've had a chance to digest what I've learned. And I try to remember that in the end what I do with my equipment will make far more difference than a few db S/N ratio.
 
I agee...

But I think the difference in price and methods has changed more than the quality...
 
PRIZ - I might sell you my RME DIGI 96/8 PST with AEB extensions so you'll have 6 analog I/O. It seems to me that it doesn't work with the new Mac models which I have. My G4/466 works with OS 9.1 operation system. If it won't work with OS 9.0.4 -next week, then I'll have to sell it and by MOTU's stuff which does work with OS 9.1 and Digital Performer. That's if you're interested.

Boris
 
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