Chord length?

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Hey guys,Sometimes when we record we have to all lay down our own tracks because we can't all be there at the same time. When I pull all the tracks up on the screen and line them up they start playing fine then about a third of the way through some of the track seem to fall behind. What's up with that. Could it be the chord lenght? It can't be the computer. It has plenty of balls to cumpute what I am putting into it. When we record all together I don't have that problem. I just can't touch up the tracks when we do that so I would rather do it the other way. Any advice would help.
 
Chord as in Em or cord as in cable? It's probably neither. This sounds like a clock problem. Do you record all the separate tracks using the same machine?

Slackmaster 2000
 
hey Slack,

How common are clock problems if recording separate tracks on two different machines using n-tracks. Can anything be done about it? I haven't done any recording on different computers but I might in the future.
 
Actually now that I think of it, there shouldn't be any clock problems if a track is recorded on one machine and then used on another machine...in fact that makes no sense :)

The only time I've run into clock problems has been when using two soundcards in the same machine. Oh, and I also had a problem once with a really cheap soundcard that would lose sync between playback and record after a while...at least that's what the results suggested (track drift). Perhaps that could be the case here.

Typically if there is going to be a problem like this, the lag indicator should pop up in the n-Track clock window. You can use this value as an offset to correct minor timing problems (by entering the opposite value as lag compensation in the setup).

I think we need more info. Specifically, what do you mean by "line the tracks up". Are you manually moving tracks around?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Yes I am manually moving the tracks to line them up. I start with the guitar, then I record bass, then I finish with the drums. I line them up to start the song add some effects and I seem to get a lag on bass. I can fix the problemb with cutting but I should not have to do that. I know my songs by heart and when I listen through the headphone and add a track they should be in time together. Should'nt they?
 
I'm still curious as to *why* you're lining your tracks up manually? Typically you'd record a click or rythm track, then use it as a guide to lay down the rest of your instruments. Manually moving a track should be a very rare thing to do.

It could very well be that you're not lining the tracks up precisely, and the timing differences become quite apparent through the changes of the song. It might make sense that you would hear these problems most in the lower frequencies.

Slackmaster 2000
 
Ok heres the question. How should I record our music? Where should I start and what should I do from there? I have rough recordings from the garage and record from them. As I said before I start with guitar as the first track.Then I rewind it put the headphones on , play it back and record bass. Then after that I do drums.......Am I doing this wrong? If I am tell me how to fix it .
I lag on bass and it is pissing me off. Why am I running into the line the tracks up problem?
 
I'm sorry it's taking so long to help you out, but sometimes it's hard to decipher the real problem. I'm still not exactly seeing it, but I'll do my best here.

First of all, it's a bad idea to record guitar first. The drummer is the timing glue that holds the band together, and the entire group should be following him. It's going to be extremely hard for anybody to stay in time with a lone guitar player who's got the lead.

What I would recommend is one of the following:

1) Use a click track and make sure you've got the whole song scripted out (e.g. you all know where you come in). Have the drummer play to the click track, and perhaps have somebody else in the group play an instrument that the drummer can monitor through headphones (so he doesn't get lost). Once you have a drum track, you're golden. Now, you don't have to do drums first, but it helps with the changes. As long as you've got the click and everybody can follow it, you can do your tracking in any order. Typically drums and bass (the real rhythm) get tracked first both for timing and groove.

2) Have the whole band play record a "scratch track". That is, record the entire group play the song naturally, with or without a click track. This doesn't have to be a top notch recording. As long as it's predictable and the mood is right, you should be able to use it as a guide to start layering your good instrument & vocal tracks. It's a good idea that the scratch take be multitracked if possible so that you can cut various instruments in & out while tracking, but not necessary. At any rate, this can work well if the band is pretty tight and can reproduce its sound consistantly.

3) You can totally fake it and write your drum parts in fruity loops, then use the fake drums to track your instruments. Later, you can either have the drummer play to the drum track, or you can very easily convert the drum track to a click track and have him play to that (and the rest of the instruments you've tracked of course!).

Really you have to find what works best for you guys. Unless you're really special, however, you're going to have timing issues if you try to use a lone guitar or single player as a guide.


Now in regards to your lining up issue. When you record a track using another track as a guide, is the newly recorded track *physically* behind the guide track? You could have a lag issue and it would most likely be due to your soundcard. I've seen a few instances in the past where recorded tracks would be damn near a quarter of a second behind! It's pretty rare though. What kind of soundcard are we talking about?

Slackmaster 2000
 
Thanks for your advice. Gonna try it tonight. Let you know how it sounds.
 
Just out of curiousity,what are you using for a soundcard?
 
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