When your acoustic treatment is not as good as you think

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I was doing some tests, and tried something that produced some very shaky results on my acoustics in my video studio.

It's a space that is about 7m x 7m, open on one side to a bigger space and early on I installed some cotton drapes for green screen, then blue, then some heavier black drapes and for storage reasons I left them all hanging and discovered audio wise, all the drapes made the space quite dead. I've been very happy with all the audio work I have done in it - they sound fine.

My experimenting yesterday was with audio tones from 250 to 4K - following on from the hearing test I had doing a university study for a fella interested in hearing loss in musicians. One of the tests was a sweep tone covering that 250 to 4KHz range. I generated the tone in the computer and using the tools in cubase watched the sweep run left to right. Everything looked as I expected it. Yesterdays 414 was still connected so thinking about mic accuracy - I pointed it at 1 of my Adam T8V's from about 3ft away, and hit record. I expected it to mimic the display I'd just seen on the screen, but wow - was it different. Stuff that I can't hear, and also evidence of harmonics. Mostly at double the frequency, but even a hint of higher ones too.

Has anyone else tried this? There was also something very strange going on with stereo imaging. On the one speaker - when the sweep played, with my eyes closed, the speaker moved - a defined left to right shift. I cannot hear any of this in music, but the tones really mess it up. I thought it would make an interesting video - if you watch the video what you see (well to me)was a bit of a shock.

Clearly, when we joke about newcomers covering their studio walls with thin foam, we were giving very good advice. I was shocked that the mic captured so much energy low down that was not being absorbed by my 'treatment'.
See what you think.
 
Interesting test. I'm not sure if the interpretation of the results is correct.

My understanding is that room nodes don't create harmonics, but reinforce or diminish the level of the original tone. Level change would be due to phase alignment/misalignment depending on your spot.

How would it create a harmonic? I would think that might be more likely rooted in the microphone or speaker than in the room itself. Your monitor created the original tone, so you wouldn't think that would be the source, although speaker breakup is a very common occurrence

At one point, around 1.5kHz, you have almost as much energy at 50Hz as the primary tone. Surely you would be able to hear a strong 40-50Hz tone, plus this is a bunch of energy below that. Something seems off here to me. How would a 1.5k tone generate that strong of a bass response. I don't suspect it's a type of intermodulation, as you only have a single tone.

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I have to remove all the acoustic instruments and drum kit in my 12' x 19' recording space or suffer clearly heard resonances from each one. Kinda annoying but that the world of sound!

I'd like to try this approach out to profile my space more than i have, which is none.
 
Interesting test. I'm not sure if the interpretation of the results is correct.

My understanding is that room nodes don't create harmonics, but reinforce or diminish the level of the original tone. Level change would be due to phase alignment/misalignment depending on your spot.

How would it create a harmonic? I would think that might be more likely rooted in the microphone or speaker than in the room itself. Your monitor created the original tone, so you wouldn't think that would be the source, although speaker breakup is a very common occurrence

At one point, around 1.5kHz, you have almost as much energy at 50Hz as the primary tone. Surely you would be able to hear a strong 40-50Hz tone, plus this is a bunch of energy below that. Something seems off here to me. How would a 1.5k tone generate that strong of a bass response. I don't suspect it's a type of intermodulation, as you only have a single tone.

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Totally agree! I have no idea at all where the LF energy is coming from. I cannot hear it. The speakers also have so little output right at the bottom, the source of the noise must be in the room? More tests needed when I have some downtime. A bit crazy at the moment. The tracking harmonics that vary up and down are unexplained so far. In the studio, you can detect the interactions as the sweep tone goes up. Big changes in apparent level. A single tone becomes pretty much 2, or even 3. I shall investigate more.
 
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