Can't Get Guitar to sound right when recording

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Turning the bass down to 5, turning up the mids and then adding treble is a very strange sound - probably exactly what we are hearing. Have you listened to the audio on that you tube video? To be very clear - your sound lacks bass, it has excess treble and the middle is very peaky sounding - probably like a wha wha pedal pressed down hard. Turn off the processing, strum a chord and see what the lowest notes sound like compared to the high ones.
Ok so I have some audio that sounds much better in my opinion. Especially when it comes to the distortion parts it sounds fuller in my opinion. I also noticed that the guitar eq has become bottom heavy of course now. Just a quick note also i have the amp on my tv stand / dresser so its about 3 feet off the ground. So I have the EQ pedal running to because I want to keep some of the top end because I think Kurt's mesa boogie pre amp with eq. But if you think its best to remove it for now I will! I uploaded everything mic1 shure, mic 2 sm57 Copy, Then the compete mix of them. And pictures of everything I used to get the following sound
 

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I hope you realize that a) Marshall amps sound different from Fender and Vox (and Dumble, Peavey, Mesa, Soldano, etc). b) different model Fender amps sound different as will different model Marshall, Vox, Peavey, etc. c) changing speakers will change the voice of an amp a bunch d) the numbers on the amp are just markers for you. They are meaningless when comparing different amps. e) studio recordings will usually be different from live concert recordings in volume, equipment and mic technique which makes a difference in the sound recorded.

As an example, when Joe Walsh played Funk 49 live with James Gang, he used Marshalls or HiWatts, or big Fenders. When he recorded the song, he used a 5 Watt Fender Champ with an 8 inch speaker turned all the way up.
Oh yeah that's interesting! That's what I thought each amp has its unique voice Marshall, Fender, Vox, Copy amps. I even heard that marshall cabs have more bass then fender amps because of the size. But I guess also in a video like that they are recording in a studio so it has more idea recording conditions than in your house (Volume the amp must be in a is sound proof studio so its cranked. And sound pads etc..)
 
These are some of the things I record with. Pyle SM57 copy ($11.95 on Sw******er) and a Champion 20 with a Jensen speaker. Yeah, the bass too.
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It's better at the bass end. some depth to it. lots still have that upper mid range nastiness though, but an improvement. There's still (in my humble opinion) not much point messing with mics yet. You have started to create something listenable to - so now is the time to work on the playing, but keep tweaking.
 
It's better at the bass end. some depth to it. lots still have that upper mid range nastiness though, but an improvement. There's still (in my humble opinion) not much point messing with mics yet. You have started to create something listenable to - so now is the time to work on the playing, but keep tweaking.
So would you suggest to keep the trebble low 4ish and the mids a bit below the bass ? Kind of use that rule of thumb bass higher, mids (middle) and Treble low.


But thank you for your help rob honestly! I was reviewing the recording from the topic i did and i see what you mean the old recordings especially the distortion parts are almost unlistenable.
 
I would suggest you try it and see what happens. when you have a pickup selector, the tone changes, and you have the same thing with EQ. You find a working tone control setting on amp and guitar, then use the guitar pickup selector and tone control to change for different songs. Many people do not change the amp EQ between songs, ever. They change the tone elsewhere - but for all to be good the amp MUST be good.
 
So would you suggest to keep the trebble low 4ish and the mids a bit below the bass ? Kind of use that rule of thumb bass higher, mids (middle) and Treble low.
Why not start with the bass, mid and treble at 5. Add s little bit of gain and a little bit of drive.
I'm sure it's in the post somewhere, but what kind of guitar are you playing?
 
Why not start with the bass, mid and treble at 5. Add s little bit of gain and a little bit of drive.
I'm sure it's in the post somewhere, but what kind of guitar are you playing?
Good idea but I am at pains to point out that guitar amp tone stacks are almost never like a "hi fi" amp T&B. Setting them at 12 O'clock rarely gives a flat response. A very interesting app is "Duncan amps Tone Stack" which give various makes of amp EQ and plots of their responses. I shall see if I can find a link.


Dave.
 
I would suggest you try it and see what happens. when you have a pickup selector, the tone changes, and you have the same thing with EQ. You find a working tone control setting on amp and guitar, then use the guitar pickup selector and tone control to change for different songs. Many people do not change the amp EQ between songs, ever. They change the tone elsewhere - but for all to be good the amp MUST be good.
Oh interesting so live that they change guitars, or change pickups and tone/volume. I guess they don't want to mess up there settings live if they have a sound that sounds good easier to make minor adjustments!
 
Why not start with the bass, mid and treble at 5. Add s little bit of gain and a little bit of drive.
I'm sure it's in the post somewhere, but what kind of guitar are you playing?

Fender Classic Player Jaguar modded >
Super distortion Bridge
PAF Neck
 
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If you talk to pro guitarists who do lots of cover work - stepping in to bands or sessions and having to play many styles, they tend to do two things. Very often they will set their amp up with a dirty and a clean channel - each with separate EQ, and that gives them two basic sounds, then they use multi-effects and/or individual pedals to switch between the characteristic sounds of many different styles and players. Most complicated is probably covering for a function band - look at the set list and it is Sultans of Swing, next to Smoke on the Water, followed by the shadows, then a few 60s songs, then Snow Patrol. Throw in the occasional Hendrix song or Abba, and finish on Queen. That is an awful lot of EQ, gain, distortion and effects changes. So changing so many settings is a task and a half. Most can use what is on the floor and a general setting, or maybe two on the amp. Things like kemper amps can make this kind of thing easier to do, and sometimes the changes can be programmed into qlab or a DAW and can change settings for them if there is no real time. Qlab driving video screens that are triggering lighting and audio cues is quite normal for some things. It's quite fun watching some of the production shows I get involved with. The guitarist is playing with the band, off-stage and at a certain point, (as he has a radio pack) he legs it down a flight of stairs, somebody shoves a wig on his head and he bursts out on stage to do Bohemian Rhapsody for 30 seconds, then runs back up the stairs straight into a Chic number. His guitar changes are done by the computer - he touches nothing! Works great till a cable falls out.
 
On the other hand, Nirvana appears to have just used one basic set up, and he just used what controls he had on the guitar, although in the Paramount show, he used both his Jaguar and a Strat. It was a minimalist setup. Of course, it was the age of grunge, so the spirit of the music was raw and loud.

The Edge's guitar tech said he controlled a lot of the effects and settings throughout the U2 shows. The effects were often rack mounted and things were programmed. Edge didn't have to worry about stepping on several stomp boxes or changing amp settings. That was some years back. I wonder how they do things for their shows at the Sphere in LV. I hear he's using all modelling gear now instead of his beloved AC30s.
 
Hey Guys! Thanks for all the helpful info given in the post I have been using the last two weeks or so to just experiment and see if I can get a better sounding recording than what I started with. I have a few audio examples from what I recorded today and I do honestly think its much better than what I started with. I wanted to use the feedback. I got from everyone above in this topic and just mess around till its something worth more to listen to. I also normalize both mics to about -8dB which I learnt from this post that its a very helpful thing because you can record your mics at a decent level then just normalize them to how you like very helpful tool. Kurt also used a chorus pedal which I had a cheap $40 dollar one but unfortunately it stopped working so I'm just waiting on a replacement to come in the mail. Kurt also turned the mids all the way up always which I'm not sure if I should keep it high or turn it down a bit especially when recording.

So I used the following to get the sound
SM57 > On 1987 Celestion 75
Audio-Technica AT2035 > On 2001ish Celestion 75

The EQ settings were;
-Treble between 7-6
-Mid 10
-Bass 8

Pedals;
-Boss DS1

Cakewalk DAW;
-Normalize
-Small Bit of Reverb to give it a echo effect like its being played on a stage.

I did notice maybe the DS1 is still a bit high on the DIS knob it seems to get really unclear when using it. After reviewing the recordings that's what I noticed.

Anyways I attached the following audio files below if you have any feedback let me know and I can make some adjustments. Thanks everyone who posted in this topic honestly you guys have helped out so much.
 

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If you talk to pro guitarists who do lots of cover work - stepping in to bands or sessions and having to play many styles, they tend to do two things. Very often they will set their amp up with a dirty and a clean channel - each with separate EQ, and that gives them two basic sounds, then they use multi-effects and/or individual pedals to switch between the characteristic sounds of many different styles and players. Most complicated is probably covering for a function band - look at the set list and it is Sultans of Swing, next to Smoke on the Water, followed by the shadows, then a few 60s songs, then Snow Patrol. Throw in the occasional Hendrix song or Abba, and finish on Queen. That is an awful lot of EQ, gain, distortion and effects changes. So changing so many settings is a task and a half. Most can use what is on the floor and a general setting, or maybe two on the amp. Things like kemper amps can make this kind of thing easier to do, and sometimes the changes can be programmed into qlab or a DAW and can change settings for them if there is no real time. Qlab driving video screens that are triggering lighting and audio cues is quite normal for some things. It's quite fun watching some of the production shows I get involved with. The guitarist is playing with the band, off-stage and at a certain point, (as he has a radio pack) he legs it down a flight of stairs, somebody shoves a wig on his head and he bursts out on stage to do Bohemian Rhapsody for 30 seconds, then runs back up the stairs straight into a Chic number. His guitar changes are done by the computer - he touches nothing! Works great till a cable falls out.
Hey Rob! I did some experimenting with what you said about the tone knobs, And I did notice what you mean if you have a eq plugin like blue cat's freqanalyst running and you turn the tone up/down then you can watch the highend drop. So I guess you could have your treble set higher on your amp and control it from your guitar from song to song? For example Song 1 needs a lot of treble then Song 2 is less treble so you turn tone knob from lets say for example 10 > 7
 
Simplex, do you really think what you are recording is anywhere close the the real thing?



Play that, then play your recordings and tell us what YOU think the differences are.
 
Simplex, do you really think what you are recording is anywhere close the the real thing?

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Play that, then play your recordings and tell us what YOU think the differences are.
Do you really think that he's gonna listen to that? FFS, we haven't even heard him sing yet. It's the same originally recorded lithium riff repeated over and over and over again with different amp dial positioning and STOMP pedal mashing.

IMO, this thread is an insult to every well intentioned new member and HR.

It's a good thing that I'm not a mod.
 
The first three didn't sound bad until the 0:20 mark when the "effect (???) kicked in. The guitar sounded passable. Not my taste, but it had some bottom.
FFS, we haven't even heard him sing yet.
Be careful what you wish for, man.
This thread should have ended forever ago. Yet, here we are. We're either suckers for a sham, really trying to help this person, or masochists. OR all three.
Personally, I'm waiting on a pizza. Before the pizza comes, I'm just gonna unfollow this charade.
 
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