Best Channel Strip in the $500-$600 Range...

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Best Channel Strip in the $500-$600 Range.


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scarboro78

scarboro78

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Hey Guys, I'm looking into buying a channel strip for recording mainly hip-hop vocals. My objective is to be able to basically minimize the amount of tweaking to be done within the recording application itself. I think I've narrowed it down to a few units based on their flexibility and options...

M-Audio Tampa
Focusrite VoiceMaster
Presonus Eureka
Safesound P1
Other Suggestions?

Let me know what you guys think and if you have any other suggestions.
By the way I'm using an Aardvark LX6 sound card. Thanks!
 
I've never heard a peep about the dbx 376... it's served me well... can you add it to the poll...
 
The HHB Radius 40 is a nice sounding box.

What are you using right now? The whole deal, mic, preamp, software, plugins? I have gotten outstanding results with some surprisingly cheap gear and done plenty of tweaking within DAW's at mixdown with decent results! For a great sounding DAW eq, try the Sonalksis 517. This eq rivals many analog eq's I have had the pleasure to work with. For compression, the PSP Vintage Warmer is nice. If you can afford the spread, the Universal Audio UAD-1 card, with the LA2A, 1176, Fairchild compressors is VERY good sounding compression!

I would suspect that maybe you don't have a great mic if your vocals are needing excessive "treatment" for doing rap vocals. I would start with nothing less than a Audio Technica 4050. If you can score a Nuemann U89, that would rock! (No, not a U87, a U89 which to my ears sounds a whole lot better than the U87).

Anyway, I think you just might need a good mic. Preamps are overrated!
 
MindPrint Envoice

Best compression and EQ of the lot.

Can't be beat in it's price range for overall sound and features.
 
Thanks for the reply so far guys.. as far as my setup I'm currently using an AKG2000 Mic > ART Pro Pac(pre/comp)(which I'll be replacing) > Aardvark LX6 > Nuendo w/various plugins.. output into my Event TR8's...
 
scarboro, the Tampa gets my vote as the best mid-level channel strip deal on the market. Reduced from its original price of $700, it's now available for $328 at the link. Also because you're doing hip-hop you'll wanna keep the channel pretty clean. The pre is clean, big and natural sounding.

http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail.asp?prod=tampa&partner=froogle

I'd recommend you take some of the money you'd save by only spending $328 and get yourself a better mic than the AKG C2000.
 
Hey Dan,
I know my AKG isn't the greatest mic but right now it's not the weak link in my signal chain(ART PRO PAC IS).. But I want to make sure I invest in a pre/compressor that I will not have to upgrade anytime soon.. regardless of what mic I use. That's why I'm willing to pay 500..600.. shoot even at most 700 bucks if I have to in order to get me a GOOD pre/compressor. If you're saying that the Tampa will offer me that kind of quality then I'll definitely go for it.

Noone has made any comments about the Focusrite Voicemaster though. It seems to be extremely flexible and is much more than a pre & compressor (EQ & Expansion, some other stuff too i believe). Anyone familiar with these??
 
Dot said:
scarboro, the Tampa gets my vote as the best mid-level channel strip deal on the market.
Glad to hear that you think highly of Tampa.I've got one on order (coming next week).What have you used it on most? What's the compressor like in it?I guess I'll find out pretty soon, but just curious :D
thanks
cheers
 
I hated my DBX 376, and also don't like the Tampa or the Presonus or the Voicemaster. The safe sound seems to be faring well with reviews though. Those little HHB boxes really aren't too awful either. Thats a tough price range to get a nice channel strip. When you make it up to about $1000 there are a lot more options that really add a ton better quality.

Keep in mind that when I say that I hated those other boxes it's mostly because I have much better stuff so I find it hard to use the lower level stuff now. Realistically they will all do a better job than the majority of the low end console channels.
 
The highest quality sound would come from either the Voicemaster (I hope you mean the Pro because the regular voicemaster sucks) or the Envoice. I have used all but the P1 and they are not as versatile as these two.
 
scarboro78 said:
Hey Dan,
I know my AKG isn't the greatest mic but right now it's not the weak link in my signal chain(ART PRO PAC IS)..

Man, had I known you had a AKG 2000 I wouldn't have bothered with any suggestion.

While the ART isn't exactly top of the line stuff, I really don't think it is the source of your displeasure either. The AKG C 2000 and 3000 are very disappointing sounding mics. Both require a lot of eq to make sound right.

I would first purchase another mic (I suggested a couple above. You can get a brand new AT 4050 for the money you want to spend on a pre right now). I think after you use a quality microphone, you will agree that preamps are sort of overrated.
 
Hey Xstatic...

Why do you hate the 376... just curious??
 
HaflerAmp said:
Man, had I known you had a AKG 2000 I wouldn't have bothered with any suggestion.

While the ART isn't exactly top of the line stuff, I really don't think it is the source of your displeasure either. The AKG C 2000 and 3000 are very disappointing sounding mics. Both require a lot of eq to make sound right.

I would first purchase another mic (I suggested a couple above. You can get a brand new AT 4050 for the money you want to spend on a pre right now). I think after you use a quality microphone, you will agree that preamps are sort of overrated.

Well Actually I'm planning on upgrading my mic as well.. so either way I'm still in the same boat. Right now it seems like the tampa is getting the most votes but the Presonus Voicemaster pro seems to have the most versatility. How well would these work with the AKG414 or a mic of the same caliber?
 
scarboro78 said:
Well Actually I'm planning on upgrading my mic as well.. so either way I'm still in the same boat. Right now it seems like the tampa is getting the most votes but the Presonus Voicemaster pro seems to have the most versatility. How well would these work with the AKG414 or a mic of the same caliber?

Really, you won't know if you are in the same boat UNTIL you get a new mic. What you probably don't know about mic/preamp combinations is that seldomly is it either component that is at fault, rather, how the mic and preamp pair together. I swear, I hate the way a SM-57 sound via Focusrite Red preamps. But via a ART, the SM-57 sounds very good! So, which peice is at fault here? Which one do I get rid of? The ART? The Focusrite Red? The SM-57? I can just take those two preamps and talk a long time about how different mics sound between those two preamps. Some mics sound MUCH better on the Focusrite while others sound MUCH better on the ART. Then in some cases, depending upon WHAT you are recording, the whole thing can change. For instance, I think the AT 4033 sounds great on vocals via the ART. It sounds horrible on vocals via the Focusrite. But, the 4033 sound great on acoustic guitars via the Focusrite while it isn't that great on acoustics via the ART. So, again, which peice of gear do I dump?

The 414 is a good mic. It is versatile. As a vocal mic though, it has very limited uses. In many years of recording, I have only found a few vocalists where it won out over various other mics. While it never sounds "bad", it seldom sounds "great" on many vocalists. It lacks a "round" sound. On many voices, it can downright be cold and stiff sounding. Unless you have a very plain, sort of bassy voice, I doubt it will please you regardless of which preamp you run it through.

Again, I am betting that if you tried a variety of mics between that ART and any of those other preamps you are considering, you will get varied results on which pre sounds better. I think you really need to settle on a mic that is suitable for your voice first, then worry about the electronics later. I have yet to hear anything via those other preamps that I thought was stellar compared to many "lesser" preamps. Microphones are where it is at! Have many, and try them all out for what you are doing.

I will commonly line up all my LD's and run them all via a very average preamp and try them all out first on a vocalist. When we find the one mic that suits their voice best, we try different preamps. Here, the changes in sound are VERY subtle, and often the artist can't really tell the difference. At this point, I am usually picking the one that just sort of "feels" right at the moment. I will tell you though, I have had many times where ART's and Mackie preamps have done quite well against "better" preamps with the same mic.

Preamps are overrated.

Good luck.
 
MOFO Pro said:
Hey Xstatic...

Why do you hate the 376... just curious??

It was dull sounding and noisy. I bought it because I got impatient and regretted it. The overdriven sounds on it were horrid, the EQ, was harsh, and the preamp and compressor were both very dull and lifeless. That doesn't mean it wasn't capable of getting decent tracks out of it, just that it took a lot more effort to counter what the DBX did. Which is why I get rid of it pronto:)

As far as preamps being overrated, I think thats a load of misinformation. Certainly getting a new mic makes a bigger difference up front. It's really obvious the difference between two mics. However, getting a nice preamp is where the magic begins to unfold. Then you will find out just what your mics are and aren't capable of. To me a mic is like a guitar amp. changing amps is often times really drastic in contrast. A preamp is like the guitar itself. The initial differnce is more subtle, but it allows the amp to work much better and when a nicer guitar is used, better tracks tend to happen. It allows the musician to connect with the amp better. I know that analogy sounds backwards, but the principle holds. Plus, if I said a preamp was like an amp and ta mic like the guitar, then preamps most certainly still would not be overrated.

I do also agree with getting rid of any and all AKG C3000's and even 2000's. I made the mistake of owning an AKG3000 once. Never again.
 
Dude... rob a couple of extra liquor stores or gas stations and score a Toft ATC-2... they're two channels, a thousand bucks, and sound $4,000 better than any of the other crap mentioned in this thread so far!!!
 
Hmmmmmmmm....I am betting that if I put the same mic, on the same source, and did two preamps that is pairs up with fairly well, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference at all.

I am betting that if I did the same mic, same source, two wildly different pre's, asked people to say which version they like better, it would be 50/50.

It would have to be a really shitty preamp to make a huge difference. In a dense mix, I doubt anybody could tell a difference. In a sparce production, yeah, it would show up much more.
 
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Dot said:
scarboro, the Tampa gets my vote as the best mid-level channel strip deal on the market. Reduced from its original price of $700, it's now available for $328 at the link.

Is there a reason that M-Audio tried to rape the consumer by charging more than double it's present price?... or are they just having trouble trying to unload them?

It makes one wonder when a newer product like that drops like a rock in price so darn quickly.
 
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